Phun with Phil Rogers' trade scenario

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http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-051223rogers,1,1089061.column?coll=cs-home-utility

 

The Cubs give up Zambrano, shortstop Neifi Perez, center fielder Corey Patterson, left-hander Will Ohman (expendable with Scott Eyre and Glendon Rusch available for the bullpen) and one of two on-the-cusp pitching prospects, either left-hander Rich Hill or right-hander Angel Guzman. They get Tejada and as many as five prospects who could fill needs in the near future—a pitcher (Hayden Penn, John Maine or Adam Loewen), two outfielders (Joe Borchard and one among the Baltimore group of Val Majewski, Jeff Florentino and Nick Markakis), first baseman Casey Rogowski and left-hander Arnie Munoz.

 

The Sox give up one arm from the Garland/Contreras/Garcia/Vazquez mix and four prospects who aren't being penciled in for big things—Borchard, Rogowski (a really good hitter who doesn't fit on a team that has Konerko and Thome), Munoz and Charles Haeger, a knuckleballer who pitched well in Venezuela after dominating Double A. They get back Bedard, a lefty with great stuff; Ohman, who fills the bullpen need and could allow Neal Cotts to move into the rotation in 2007; and either Hill or Guzman.

 

The Orioles wind up with the most inventory, as they should. They get Zambrano and Garland, Contreras, Garcia or Vazquez along with Perez, Patterson and Haeger. They give up Tejada, Bedard and a pitching prospect.

 

In this deal, the Orioles take on a little additional salary and the Sox save some, which they could put away to help with a midseason move. The Cubs would get Tejada while hanging on to Ronny Cedeno—who becomes the second baseman, triggering a Todd Walker trade—and Pie. The deal would be essentially neutral in terms of payroll, allowing Hendry the flexibility to pick off two or three of the remaining free agents, including a starter to replace Zambrano.

 

The possibilities are intriguing, indeed, for teams on both sides of town—if the Orioles will take Zambrano as part of a deal for Tejada.

 

Zambrano

Perez

Patterson

Ohman

Hill/Guzman

 

for...

 

Tejada

Penn/Maine/Loewen

Borchard

Majewski/Florentino/Markakis

Rogowski

Munoz

 

I like the idea of getting rid of Perez. :)

[USSoccer]

I hate Phil Rogers and anyone else who suggests trading Z.

[YearofDaCubs]

I hate Phil Rogers and anyone else who suggests trading Z.

We will regret it if we trade Z or Prior.

[jiml60]

Phil's had a little too much Christmas eggnog.

[SCCubbieFAN]

The Cubs' strength is the starting rotation. Any deal to trade one of the current starters better be after they acquire another starter to replace the outgoing one.

[USSoccer]

The Cubs' strength is the starting rotation. Any deal to trade one of the current starters better be after they acquire another starter to replace the outgoing one.

 

What starter are they going to aquire that would be better than their top 2?

 

There's almost no chance that the team won't be worse after dealing Prior or Z. I just don't get how stupid this all is. It's like everyone is taking crazy pills.

[YearofDaCubs]

The Cubs' strength is the starting rotation. Any deal to trade one of the current starters better be after they acquire another starter to replace the outgoing one.

We won't be able to find players like Prior or Z though that's the problem.

[ToupeeOnFire]

Sometimes I wonder if Phil Rogers and Sam Smith are not the same person.

[Diffusion]

That'd be the first 88 player trade!

 

Phil Rogers didn't make that one up. You can tell because it doesn't include Kerry Wood.

[wade]

That'd be the first 88 player trade!

 

Phil Rogers didn't make that one up. You can tell because it doesn't include Kerry Wood.

 

:lol: :lol:

[USSoccer]

That'd be the first 88 player trade!

 

Phil Rogers didn't make that one up. You can tell because it doesn't include Kerry Wood.

 

See, that's just funny! And true. I kept waiting for the inevitable "Kerry should close in Texas and he's from Texas so therefore Texaswill want him" argument.

[oldcubsfan]

Phil is drinking again, apparently very heavily, to come up with this nonsense.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

When I hear "phun" and "Phil Rogers", for some reason a kidney punch comes to mind. http://forums.gigantour.com/images/smilies/nutkick.gif

[fiver]

Phil's had a little too much Christmas eggnog.

 

mmmm...eggnog

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Thank goodness we all know Phil just pulls trade proposals out of his butt.

[RockTheIvy]

Aren't we stuck with Neifi! to at least sometime in June at the earliest? Phil Roger's is ridiculous.

[Jon]

My favorite Rogers' quote from the past week:

 

The Ronny Cedeno-Neifi Perez combination at shortstop does seem an improvement from the Nomar Garciaparra-Perez-Cedeno mix in 2004.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

My favorite Rogers' quote from the past week:

 

The Ronny Cedeno-Neifi Perez combination at shortstop does seem an improvement from the Nomar Garciaparra-Perez-Cedeno mix in 2004.

 

A grammar, factual, and predictive error. The holy trinity of crappy writing.

[nilodnayr]

My favorite Rogers' quote from the past week:

 

The Ronny Cedeno-Neifi Perez combination at shortstop does seem an improvement from the Nomar Garciaparra-Perez-Cedeno mix in 2004.

 

A grammar, factual, and predictive error. The holy trinity of crappy writing.

 

If Cedeno gets over 450 ABs, I think we can outproduce the ss numbers from last year which were 274/307/369. I have no problem whatsoever with that statement.

[Jon]

My favorite Rogers' quote from the past week:

 

The Ronny Cedeno-Neifi Perez combination at shortstop does seem an improvement from the Nomar Garciaparra-Perez-Cedeno mix in 2004.

 

A grammar, factual, and predictive error. The holy trinity of crappy writing.

 

If Cedeno gets over 450 ABs, I think we can outproduce the ss numbers from last year which were 274/307/369. I have no problem whatsoever with that statement.

That's a mighty big "if." I wouldn't imagine that Cedeno would get close to 450 ABs unless he plays second with Neifi getting the full-time job at short. And I wouldn't expect Neifi to repeat his bad numbers at the plate. Something closer to the even worse numbers that he posted over the previous few seasons.

[nilodnayr]

Ok, well I came up with a better three team swap...

 

Trade Patterson to the Blue Jays for Hillenbrand

 

Trade Prior, Hillenbrand, Dope, Welly, Marmol, Piggy to the Yanks for ARod and half of his deferred payments.

[nilodnayr]

My favorite Rogers' quote from the past week:

 

The Ronny Cedeno-Neifi Perez combination at shortstop does seem an improvement from the Nomar Garciaparra-Perez-Cedeno mix in 2004.

 

A grammar, factual, and predictive error. The holy trinity of crappy writing.

 

If Cedeno gets over 450 ABs, I think we can outproduce the ss numbers from last year which were 274/307/369. I have no problem whatsoever with that statement.

That's a mighty big "if." I wouldn't imagine that Cedeno would get close to 450 ABs unless he plays second with Neifi getting the full-time job at short. And I wouldn't expect Neifi to repeat his bad numbers at the plate. Something closer to the even worse numbers that he posted over the previous few seasons.

 

Well according to Hendry this morning, Cedeno will be the starter. If Cedenos name has come up in every trade scenario since July and hes still on our team, that means they are not keeping him to be a backup. If Cedeno gets 2/3rds of the ABs and Neifi returns to his 2004/2003 numbers, then Ronny needs to hit 284/319/380 to be an improvement over all cubs shortstops in 2005. ZiPS projects him at 287/332/412.

[Jon]

Well according to Hendry this morning, Cedeno will be the starter. If Cedenos name has come up in every trade scenario since July and hes still on our team, that means they are not keeping him to be a backup. If Cedeno gets 2/3rds of the ABs and Neifi returns to his 2004/2003 numbers, then Ronny needs to hit 284/319/380 to be an improvement over all cubs shortstops in 2005. ZiPS projects him at 287/332/412.

I've said it before, but his words mean nothing to me. It's all talk. Hendry, in my opinion, is as bad as Baker. Maybe worse. And it's not just because he allows Baker to sit the younger players. He brought up Hill to sit in the bullpen when he needed starts so Rusch could remain in the rotation (in an effort to convince him to re-sign, I'm guessing). He brought up Cedeno so he could sit on the bench and be, as Dusty put it, Neifi's "apprentice." Murton didn't get the starting job until what, mid-September? And what about all that talk about Dubois competing with Hollandsworth for the starting job in LF last season? That never happened.

 

They signed Neifi to a two-year deal. They're not keeping him to be a backup, either. All it takes is a couple of weeks of Cedeno struggling and Neifi taking advantage and just like that Cedeno is out. Hendry and Baker have done plenty to kill my faith in them. Jim can say all he wants, but there's no reason for me to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore.

[Diffusion]

My favorite Rogers' quote from the past week:

 

The Ronny Cedeno-Neifi Perez combination at shortstop does seem an improvement from the Nomar Garciaparra-Perez-Cedeno mix in 2004.

 

A grammar, factual, and predictive error. The holy trinity of crappy writing.

 

Grammatical. :lol:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

My favorite Rogers' quote from the past week:

 

The Ronny Cedeno-Neifi Perez combination at shortstop does seem an improvement from the Nomar Garciaparra-Perez-Cedeno mix in 2004.

 

A grammar, factual, and predictive error. The holy trinity of crappy writing.

 

Grammatical. :lol:

 

My resume to the Trib is in the mail.