Ken Rosenthal Reporting Cubs Going Hard After Tejada...

[CubbieSouthpaw]

Murph just said on the Score that Oakland may be involved in a 3-way that would involve Zito going to Baltimore. That would definitely help get Prior out of the negotiations. I would think that Oakland would want Bedarek, Hill and probably Dopirak back in the deal. Pie, Zito and a pitcher would go back to the O's as my best guess.

 

All though I don't hold much weight to this rumor. I do like your idea.

To keep Prior and get Tejada? The ink couldn't dry quick enough for me to make that deal.

Exactly. Now we are talking. But Prior for Tejada at least in my eyes is not a very good move.

 

Value for value its a good trade to me.

But trading Prior?

I agree. No way its fair. And thats a lot because I'm a fan of his I must admit.

[JWCUB]

Homeplate on x-m radio just mentioned there are talks in a 3-way trade between Boston, Baltimore, and the cubs involving prior

 

We better be getting Manny AND Tejada then...

 

Manny AND Tejada? World Series here come the Cubbies =P~

 

Sorry, Manny will cost as many runs as he drives in.

 

NO Thanks!!!!!!!!

 

Manny might cost you 10-20 runs on defense. I'm pretty sure he'd generate a few more than that.

 

I'm also talking injuries and his little fits when he decides not to play.

Hey, I realize he has a great bat. I just don't like the idea of that headcase being on this team. Yes, some of it may be false and he may even be getting a bad rap foe something that isn't his fault. He's been asking to get traded out of Boston for 2 years. As soon as a situation came up at Wrigley he'd do the samething.

 

 

I'd still take him any day of the week. 40-45 home runs 135-150 rbis, I could live with a headcase. Hey, we lived with Sammy, and by all accounts he was that way his whole Cub career. None of us complained because he was producing.

[Magnetic Curses]

Homeplate on x-m radio just mentioned there are talks in a 3-way trade between Boston, Baltimore, and the cubs involving prior

 

We better be getting Manny AND Tejada then...

 

Manny AND Tejada? World Series here come the Cubbies =P~

 

Sorry, Manny will cost as many runs as he drives in.

 

NO Thanks!!!!!!!!

 

Manny might cost you 10-20 runs on defense. I'm pretty sure he'd generate a few more than that.

 

I'm also talking injuries and his little fits when he decides not to play.

Hey, I realize he has a great bat. I just don't like the idea of that headcase being on this team. Yes, some of it may be false and he may even be getting a bad rap foe something that isn't his fault. He's been asking to get traded out of Boston for 2 years. As soon as a situation came up at Wrigley he'd do the samething.

 

i'm sorry, but passing up a chance at manny would be absolutely insane.

[treebird]

Murph just said on the Score that Oakland may be involved in a 3-way that would involve Zito going to Baltimore. That would definitely help get Prior out of the negotiations. I would think that Oakland would want Bedarek, Hill and probably Dopirak back in the deal. Pie, Zito and a pitcher would go back to the O's as my best guess.

 

im much more amenable to trade guys like pie for tejada now that prior's name has been thrown around

Begin Rant:

 

Now that you bring that up I'm thinking that Hendry does have a plan this offseason. When he signed Eyre I thought it was a bad idea. When he traded Pinto, Nolasco, and Mitre for Pierre I thought to myself "dang, the Eyre signing doesn't look so bad now." Then he goes out and proclaims he's excited that Jacque Jones is going to be our starting RF for the next three years. At this point I'm saying to myself "Gee, I'm actually kind of glad we have Pierre now and that Eyre signing looks like a bargain." Just a few days later Hendry "leaks" news that he's using Prior as trade bait to try and get Tejada. By now a kick in the craw and a can of Natty Light sound pretty good. If we only end up losing Pie, Hill, Williams, and Guzman for Tejada we'll think it's the biggest steal since D.B. Cooper's heist.

 

It's pure genius. Just keep making progressively worse and worse deals and your previous transactions look better and better. Eventually Cubs fans will be dancing in the street because we have Neifi Perez locked up for a few million a year.

 

End Rant.

 

this man speaks truth

[Gunned]

Murph just said on the Score that Oakland may be involved in a 3-way that would involve Zito going to Baltimore. That would definitely help get Prior out of the negotiations. I would think that Oakland would want Bedarek, Hill and probably Dopirak back in the deal. Pie, Zito and a pitcher would go back to the O's as my best guess.

 

As silly as this seems to us, it's possible that the Orioles value Zito higher than Prior.

 

Imagine the silliness of valuing a Cy Young winner over a guy who's never pitched a full season.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Murph just said on the Score that Oakland may be involved in a 3-way that would involve Zito going to Baltimore. That would definitely help get Prior out of the negotiations. I would think that Oakland would want Bedarek, Hill and probably Dopirak back in the deal. Pie, Zito and a pitcher would go back to the O's as my best guess.

 

As silly as this seems to us, it's possible that the Orioles value Zito higher than Prior.

 

Imagine the silliness of valuing a Cy Young winner over a guy who's never pitched a full season.

 

The audacity! The unmitigated gall!

[Gunned]

Murph just said on the Score that Oakland may be involved in a 3-way that would involve Zito going to Baltimore. That would definitely help get Prior out of the negotiations. I would think that Oakland would want Bedarek, Hill and probably Dopirak back in the deal. Pie, Zito and a pitcher would go back to the O's as my best guess.

 

As silly as this seems to us, it's possible that the Orioles value Zito higher than Prior.

 

Imagine the silliness of valuing a Cy Young winner over a guy who's never pitched a full season.

 

The audacity! The unmitigated gall!

 

Hehe.

[Chocolate Milk]

What about my Mark Prior shirt? This sucks.

 

:cry:

[CuseCubFan69]

Murph just said on the Score that Oakland may be involved in a 3-way that would involve Zito going to Baltimore. That would definitely help get Prior out of the negotiations. I would think that Oakland would want Bedarek, Hill and probably Dopirak back in the deal. Pie, Zito and a pitcher would go back to the O's as my best guess.

 

im much more amenable to trade guys like pie for tejada now that prior's name has been thrown around

Begin Rant:

 

Now that you bring that up I'm thinking that Hendry does have a plan this offseason. When he signed Eyre I thought it was a bad idea. When he traded Pinto, Nolasco, and Mitre for Pierre I thought to myself "dang, the Eyre signing doesn't look so bad now." Then he goes out and proclaims he's excited that Jacque Jones is going to be our starting RF for the next three years. At this point I'm saying to myself "Gee, I'm actually kind of glad we have Pierre now and that Eyre signing looks like a bargain." Just a few days later Hendry "leaks" news that he's using Prior as trade bait to try and get Tejada. By now a kick in the craw and a can of Natty Light sound pretty good. If we only end up losing Pie, Hill, Williams, and Guzman for Tejada we'll think it's the biggest steal since D.B. Cooper's heist.

 

It's pure genius. Just keep making progressively worse and worse deals and your previous transactions look better and better. Eventually Cubs fans will be dancing in the street because we have Neifi Perez locked up for a few million a year.

 

End Rant.

 

Good point. I just mentioned in another thread that the Hedry Propaganda machine may also be adding the Prior doesn't want to be here thought in case Mark is traded.

[goonys evil twin]

Murph just said on the Score that Oakland may be involved in a 3-way that would involve Zito going to Baltimore. That would definitely help get Prior out of the negotiations. I would think that Oakland would want Bedarek, Hill and probably Dopirak back in the deal. Pie, Zito and a pitcher would go back to the O's as my best guess.

 

As silly as this seems to us, it's possible that the Orioles value Zito higher than Prior.

 

Imagine the silliness of valuing a Cy Young winner over a guy who's never pitched a full season.

 

Would you value Tom Glavine over Mark Prior? Would you value Gagne over Mark Prior?

 

I think it is silly to define players the way you did and not put forth and accurate assessment of the two. I think if both Prior and Zito were free agents, Prior would be the bigger target. Some GMs might prefer Zito, but Prior would be a greater value overall.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Murph just said on the Score that Oakland may be involved in a 3-way that would involve Zito going to Baltimore. That would definitely help get Prior out of the negotiations. I would think that Oakland would want Bedarek, Hill and probably Dopirak back in the deal. Pie, Zito and a pitcher would go back to the O's as my best guess.

 

im much more amenable to trade guys like pie for tejada now that prior's name has been thrown around

Begin Rant:

 

Now that you bring that up I'm thinking that Hendry does have a plan this offseason. When he signed Eyre I thought it was a bad idea. When he traded Pinto, Nolasco, and Mitre for Pierre I thought to myself "dang, the Eyre signing doesn't look so bad now." Then he goes out and proclaims he's excited that Jacque Jones is going to be our starting RF for the next three years. At this point I'm saying to myself "Gee, I'm actually kind of glad we have Pierre now and that Eyre signing looks like a bargain." Just a few days later Hendry "leaks" news that he's using Prior as trade bait to try and get Tejada. By now a kick in the craw and a can of Natty Light sound pretty good. If we only end up losing Pie, Hill, Williams, and Guzman for Tejada we'll think it's the biggest steal since D.B. Cooper's heist.

 

It's pure genius. Just keep making progressively worse and worse deals and your previous transactions look better and better. Eventually Cubs fans will be dancing in the street because we have Neifi Perez locked up for a few million a year.

 

End Rant.

 

Good point. I just mentioned in another thread that the Hedry Propaganda machine may also be adding the Prior doesn't want to be here thought in case Mark is traded.

 

But this isn't some public report, it's JeffH's "source".

[CuseCubFan69]

Murph just said on the Score that Oakland may be involved in a 3-way that would involve Zito going to Baltimore. That would definitely help get Prior out of the negotiations. I would think that Oakland would want Bedarek, Hill and probably Dopirak back in the deal. Pie, Zito and a pitcher would go back to the O's as my best guess.

 

im much more amenable to trade guys like pie for tejada now that prior's name has been thrown around

Begin Rant:

 

Now that you bring that up I'm thinking that Hendry does have a plan this offseason. When he signed Eyre I thought it was a bad idea. When he traded Pinto, Nolasco, and Mitre for Pierre I thought to myself "dang, the Eyre signing doesn't look so bad now." Then he goes out and proclaims he's excited that Jacque Jones is going to be our starting RF for the next three years. At this point I'm saying to myself "Gee, I'm actually kind of glad we have Pierre now and that Eyre signing looks like a bargain." Just a few days later Hendry "leaks" news that he's using Prior as trade bait to try and get Tejada. By now a kick in the craw and a can of Natty Light sound pretty good. If we only end up losing Pie, Hill, Williams, and Guzman for Tejada we'll think it's the biggest steal since D.B. Cooper's heist.

 

It's pure genius. Just keep making progressively worse and worse deals and your previous transactions look better and better. Eventually Cubs fans will be dancing in the street because we have Neifi Perez locked up for a few million a year.

 

End Rant.

 

Good point. I just mentioned in another thread that the Hedry Propaganda machine may also be adding the Prior doesn't want to be here thought in case Mark is traded.

 

But this isn't some public report, it's JeffH's "source".

 

True....but it's here now. :D See how tricky Hendry is?

[Banedon]

Murph just said on the Score that Oakland may be involved in a 3-way that would involve Zito going to Baltimore. That would definitely help get Prior out of the negotiations. I would think that Oakland would want Bedarek, Hill and probably Dopirak back in the deal. Pie, Zito and a pitcher would go back to the O's as my best guess.

 

im much more amenable to trade guys like pie for tejada now that prior's name has been thrown around

Begin Rant:

 

Now that you bring that up I'm thinking that Hendry does have a plan this offseason. When he signed Eyre I thought it was a bad idea. When he traded Pinto, Nolasco, and Mitre for Pierre I thought to myself "dang, the Eyre signing doesn't look so bad now." Then he goes out and proclaims he's excited that Jacque Jones is going to be our starting RF for the next three years. At this point I'm saying to myself "Gee, I'm actually kind of glad we have Pierre now and that Eyre signing looks like a bargain." Just a few days later Hendry "leaks" news that he's using Prior as trade bait to try and get Tejada. By now a kick in the craw and a can of Natty Light sound pretty good. If we only end up losing Pie, Hill, Williams, and Guzman for Tejada we'll think it's the biggest steal since D.B. Cooper's heist.

 

It's pure genius. Just keep making progressively worse and worse deals and your previous transactions look better and better. Eventually Cubs fans will be dancing in the street because we have Neifi Perez locked up for a few million a year.

 

End Rant.

 

Good point. I just mentioned in another thread that the Hedry Propaganda machine may also be adding the Prior doesn't want to be here thought in case Mark is traded.

 

But this isn't some public report, it's JeffH's "source".

 

JeffH... Jeff....Hendry???? Some relative??? =P~

[Gunned]

Murph just said on the Score that Oakland may be involved in a 3-way that would involve Zito going to Baltimore. That would definitely help get Prior out of the negotiations. I would think that Oakland would want Bedarek, Hill and probably Dopirak back in the deal. Pie, Zito and a pitcher would go back to the O's as my best guess.

 

As silly as this seems to us, it's possible that the Orioles value Zito higher than Prior.

 

Imagine the silliness of valuing a Cy Young winner over a guy who's never pitched a full season.

 

Would you value Tom Glavine over Mark Prior? Would you value Gagne over Mark Prior?

 

I think it is silly to define players the way you did and not put forth and accurate assessment of the two.

 

OK. Fine.

 

Imagine the silliness of valuing a pitcher just entering his prime, one who has pitched 213+ innings five years in a row and posted ERAs of 3.86 or lower in four of them over a guy who has never pitched a full season.

[JeffH]

OK, OK - you got me. I'm a stooge of the Cubs propaganda machine.

 

:wink:

[goonys evil twin]

Imagine the silliness of valuing a pitcher just entering his prime, one who has pitched 213+ innings five years in a row and posted ERAs of 3.86 or lower in four of them over a guy who has never pitched a full season.

 

So you're giving all the positives of Zito and then describing Prior only as a guy who hasn't pitched a full season. I don't get the point. Are we talking about some third rate middle relief prospect coming of back to back tommy john surgeries? Are we talking about a 20 year old starting pitcher?

 

Zito- full package

Prior- full package

 

The majority of baseball would value Prior higher.

[SouthSideRyan]

Imagine the silliness of valuing a pitcher just entering his prime, one who has pitched 213+ innings five years in a row and posted ERAs of 3.86 or lower in four of them over a guy who has never pitched a full season.

 

So you're giving all the positives of Zito and then describing Prior only as a guy who hasn't pitched a full season. I don't get the point. Are we talking about some third rate middle relief prospect coming of back to back tommy john surgeries? Are we talking about a 20 year old starting pitcher?

 

Zito- full package

Prior- full package

 

The majority of baseball would value Prior higher.

 

Yeah, but how many wins does he have?

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Imagine the silliness of valuing a pitcher just entering his prime, one who has pitched 213+ innings five years in a row and posted ERAs of 3.86 or lower in four of them over a guy who has never pitched a full season.

 

So you're giving all the positives of Zito and then describing Prior only as a guy who hasn't pitched a full season. I don't get the point. Are we talking about some third rate middle relief prospect coming of back to back tommy john surgeries? Are we talking about a 20 year old starting pitcher?

 

Zito- full package

Prior- full package

 

The majority of baseball would value Prior higher.

 

I'd rather have Prior however I don't think it's crazy to value Zito more. Zito has proven to be a durable effective pitcher.

[CuseCubFan69]

Imagine the silliness of valuing a pitcher just entering his prime, one who has pitched 213+ innings five years in a row and posted ERAs of 3.86 or lower in four of them over a guy who has never pitched a full season.

 

So you're giving all the positives of Zito and then describing Prior only as a guy who hasn't pitched a full season. I don't get the point. Are we talking about some third rate middle relief prospect coming of back to back tommy john surgeries? Are we talking about a 20 year old starting pitcher?

 

Zito- full package

Prior- full package

 

The majority of baseball would value Prior higher.

 

I'd rather have Prior however I don't think it's crazy to value Zito more. Zito has proven to be a durable effective pitcher.

 

Especially if a GM has a lefty fetish.

[JeffH]

Imagine the silliness of valuing a pitcher just entering his prime, one who has pitched 213+ innings five years in a row and posted ERAs of 3.86 or lower in four of them over a guy who has never pitched a full season.

 

So you're giving all the positives of Zito and then describing Prior only as a guy who hasn't pitched a full season. I don't get the point. Are we talking about some third rate middle relief prospect coming of back to back tommy john surgeries? Are we talking about a 20 year old starting pitcher?

 

Zito- full package

Prior- full package

 

The majority of baseball would value Prior higher.

 

I'd rather have Prior however I don't think it's crazy to value Zito more. Zito has proven to be a durable effective pitcher.

 

Factoring in relative cost, you have to value Prior more, but, leaving that out, it's not completely ridiculous to value Zito more.

 

Leaving out relative cost is what would be ridiculous.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Imagine the silliness of valuing a pitcher just entering his prime, one who has pitched 213+ innings five years in a row and posted ERAs of 3.86 or lower in four of them over a guy who has never pitched a full season.

 

So you're giving all the positives of Zito and then describing Prior only as a guy who hasn't pitched a full season. I don't get the point. Are we talking about some third rate middle relief prospect coming of back to back tommy john surgeries? Are we talking about a 20 year old starting pitcher?

 

Zito- full package

Prior- full package

 

The majority of baseball would value Prior higher.

 

I'd rather have Prior however I don't think it's crazy to value Zito more. Zito has proven to be a durable effective pitcher.

 

Factoring in relative cost, you have to value Prior more, but, leaving that out, it's not completely ridiculous to value Zito more.

 

Leaving out relative cost is what would be ridiculous.

 

That's true, I didn't factor in that Zito will be a FA in 07.

[Dr. Cub]

Murph just said on the Score that Oakland may be involved in a 3-way that would involve Zito going to Baltimore. That would definitely help get Prior out of the negotiations. I would think that Oakland would want Bedarek, Hill and probably Dopirak back in the deal. Pie, Zito and a pitcher would go back to the O's as my best guess.

 

im much more amenable to trade guys like pie for tejada now that prior's name has been thrown around

Begin Rant:

 

Now that you bring that up I'm thinking that Hendry does have a plan this offseason. When he signed Eyre I thought it was a bad idea. When he traded Pinto, Nolasco, and Mitre for Pierre I thought to myself "dang, the Eyre signing doesn't look so bad now." Then he goes out and proclaims he's excited that Jacque Jones is going to be our starting RF for the next three years. At this point I'm saying to myself "Gee, I'm actually kind of glad we have Pierre now and that Eyre signing looks like a bargain." Just a few days later Hendry "leaks" news that he's using Prior as trade bait to try and get Tejada. By now a kick in the craw and a can of Natty Light sound pretty good. If we only end up losing Pie, Hill, Williams, and Guzman for Tejada we'll think it's the biggest steal since D.B. Cooper's heist.

 

It's pure genius. Just keep making progressively worse and worse deals and your previous transactions look better and better. Eventually Cubs fans will be dancing in the street because we have Neifi Perez locked up for a few million a year.

 

End Rant.

 

Absolute pure genius. I literally have been discussing this very thing with some friends today.

[Gunned]

Never said Zito was better. Just explaining why a lot of baseball people may prefer Zito.

 

I'd take Prior, too. But it's probably closer than most people here want to admit.

[CubmanPi]

(a little late with this, but I don't care)

 

i will be done with the cubs

[Sarcastic]

Absolute pure genius. I literally have been discussing this very thing with some friends today.

 

At this point, I would be ecstatic if Hendry does nothing, as long as we keep Prior.