For the love of sanity

[NorthsideAvenger]

Everybody's favorite Tribune comedic writer is BACK at it again, with a brand new edition:

 

Think an offer of Carlos Zambrano, Pie and Perez would get the Baltimore Orioles' attention?

 

I do. The Cubs ought to be willing to give up Zambrano to get Tejada, especially if they still can add a free-agent starter (Kevin Millwood, Jeff Weaver or Brett Tomko would do).

 

I would hate to see Pie traded, but if he could help bring Tejada, that could excuse it, especially if the argument next September is which member of a Cubs playoff team most deserves the National League MVP, Lee or Tejada?

 

Z/Pie/Perez for Tejada...for the love of baseball god....why won't somebody plz hut him up. Millwood/Weaver/Zito would have to be in the Cubs possession before I would even consider trading Zambrano for Tejada. Trading Z for Tejada, and "hoping" to sign Millwood, etc is not very sound.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Everybody's favorite Tribune comedic writer is BACK at it again, with a brand new edition:

 

Think an offer of Carlos Zambrano, Pie and Perez would get the Baltimore Orioles' attention?

 

I do. The Cubs ought to be willing to give up Zambrano to get Tejada, especially if they still can add a free-agent starter (Kevin Millwood, Jeff Weaver or Brett Tomko would do).

 

I would hate to see Pie traded, but if he could help bring Tejada, that could excuse it, especially if the argument next September is which member of a Cubs playoff team most deserves the National League MVP, Lee or Tejada?

 

Z/Pie/Perez for Tejada...for the love of baseball god....why won't somebody plz hut him up. Millwood/Weaver/Zito would have to be in the Cubs possession before I would even consider trading Zambrano for Tejada. Trading Z for Tejada, and "hoping" to sign Millwood, etc is not very sound.

 

Trading Z for Tejada is not very sound even if we had Millwood, Weaver, AND Zito. I want miggy as much as anyone, but I would not give up Z for any other one player in baseball. Period.

[E.J.]

You really have to wonder how some of these writers have jobs.

[ltb]

we can't even trade perez right now!

 

what a moron.

[abuck1220]

any sentence that includes the phrase 'Brett Tomko would do' can't be taken seriously.

[Gunned]

I want miggy as much as anyone, but I would not give up Z for any other one player in baseball. Period.

 

And people say Cubs fans overrate their own players ...

[Outshined_One]

I want miggy as much as anyone, but I would not give up Z for any other one player in baseball. Period.

 

And people say Cubs fans overrate their own players ...

 

There are very few players in baseball I would give Zambrano up for straight up. He's still young, still cheap, and has been a legit contender for the Cy Young over the past two seasons. I think the number of players I would do it for could maybe be counted on two hands.

 

Miguel Tejada is not one of them.

[ltb]

I want miggy as much as anyone, but I would not give up Z for any other one player in baseball. Period.

 

And people say Cubs fans overrate their own players ...

 

please, provide us with a list of players you'd trade zambrano for straight up.

 

it can't be that large.

[E.J.]

I want miggy as much as anyone, but I would not give up Z for any other one player in baseball. Period.

 

And people say Cubs fans overrate their own players ...

 

please, provide us with a list of players you'd trade zambrano for straight up.

 

it can't be that large.

 

I'd trade Z for a couple of players, but none of them are Miguel Tejada. And the list wouldn't be very large.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Carlos is 24 and quickly becoming one of the most dominating starting pitchers in baseball. I wouldn't trade him for anyone straight up.

[Outshined_One]

Let's see...

 

Delmon Young

Felix Hernandez

Albert Pujols

Miguel Cabrera

Johan Santana

Alex Rodriguez

 

That's about it. I wavered on putting A-Rod on there due to salary considerations, the fact that he's a jerk (Mr. Slappyhands), and the fact that it seems like a lot of his stats are put up in garbage time. However, he'd be a welcome upgrade over Neifi at SS...so yeah.

 

I may have missed one or two guys, though.

[treebird]

Let's see...

 

Delmon Young

Felix Hernandez

Albert Pujols

Miguel Cabrera

Johan Santana

Alex Rodriguez

 

That's about it. I wavered on putting A-Rod on there due to salary considerations, the fact that he's a jerk (Mr. Slappyhands), and the fact that it seems like a lot of his stats are put up in garbage time. However, he'd be a welcome upgrade over Neifi at SS...so yeah.

 

I may have missed one or two guys, though.

 

id scratch young and felix off that list, and then you'd have mine.

[E.J.]

Let's see...

 

Delmon Young

Felix Hernandez

Albert Pujols

Miguel Cabrera

Johan Santana

Alex Rodriguez

 

That's about it. I wavered on putting A-Rod on there due to salary considerations, the fact that he's a jerk (Mr. Slappyhands), and the fact that it seems like a lot of his stats are put up in garbage time. However, he'd be a welcome upgrade over Neifi at SS...so yeah.

 

I may have missed one or two guys, though.

 

I'd do all those minus Arod, unless the Yankees were picking up a ton of his contract.

[Gunned]

My point wasn't about Tejada. Z for Tejada straight up is a bad deal. But I'd trade Z straight up for:

 

Pujols

Miguel Cabrera

Johan Santana

A-Rod

Vlad

Peavy

 

I think you'd also have to consider Bay, Utley and Wright. Obviously some guys don't fit our needs, but if we're talking about pure talent/upside, they probably surpass Z. It's not a big list, but it does exist.

[imb]

Let's see...

 

Delmon Young

Felix Hernandez

Albert Pujols

Miguel Cabrera

Johan Santana

Alex Rodriguez

 

That's about it. I wavered on putting A-Rod on there due to salary considerations, the fact that he's a jerk (Mr. Slappyhands), and the fact that it seems like a lot of his stats are put up in garbage time. However, he'd be a welcome upgrade over Neifi at SS...so yeah.

 

I may have missed one or two guys, though.

 

Id take Felix off. He has a good shot to be better than Zambrano, but he has a better shot to see his arm fall off or he blows up or something. If Im trading Zambrano, I want guaranteed production.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Let's see...

 

Delmon Young

Felix Hernandez

Albert Pujols

Miguel Cabrera

Johan Santana

Alex Rodriguez

 

That's about it. I wavered on putting A-Rod on there due to salary considerations, the fact that he's a jerk (Mr. Slappyhands), and the fact that it seems like a lot of his stats are put up in garbage time. However, he'd be a welcome upgrade over Neifi at SS...so yeah.

 

I may have missed one or two guys, though.

 

The Cubs would have to get somebody ELSE with Delmon Young from the DRays (say Scott Kazmir) to make that trade happen. Felix Hernandez, at his peak, will be JUST as good (not better, just as good), so that would a lateral move. I would want more then Delmon Young or Felix Hernandez (from their respective teams) before I'd consider a Z trade. Cabrera/ARod/Pujols/Santana are the ONLY ones on that list, I would trade Zambrano for, straight up.

[treebird]

Let's see...

 

Delmon Young

Felix Hernandez

Albert Pujols

Miguel Cabrera

Johan Santana

Alex Rodriguez

 

That's about it. I wavered on putting A-Rod on there due to salary considerations, the fact that he's a jerk (Mr. Slappyhands), and the fact that it seems like a lot of his stats are put up in garbage time. However, he'd be a welcome upgrade over Neifi at SS...so yeah.

 

I may have missed one or two guys, though.

 

The Cubs would have to get somebody ELSE with Delmon Young from the DRays (say Scott Kazmir) to make that trade happen. Felix Hernandez, at his peak, will be JUST as good (not better, just as good), so that would a lateral move. I would want more then Delmon Young or Felix Hernandez (from their respective teams) before I'd consider a Z trade. Cabrera/ARod/Pujols/Santana are the ONLY ones on that list, I would trade Zambrano for, straight up.

 

i think there's a fair chance felix will be a lot better than z. he might have dwight gooden's career, except without crack.

 

i think there's a better chance his arm just falls off though.

[Keener98]

My point wasn't about Tejada. Z for Tejada straight up is a bad deal. But I'd trade Z straight up for:

 

Pujols

Miguel Cabrera

Johan Santana

A-Rod

Vlad

Peavy

 

I think you'd also have to consider Bay, Utley and Wright. Obviously some guys don't fit our needs, but if we're talking about pure talent/upside, they probably surpass Z. It's not a big list, but it does exist.

 

No way do I trade Z for Peavy, Bay, or Utley. Im not really sure Id trade him for Vlad considering age.

[Outshined_One]

Adam Dunn is some one I'd give a lot of thought to trading Z straight up for...but I'd probably reject it in the end.

 

Peavy? Tough call, I'm curious as to how much pitching in Petco have helped his numbers out.

 

Utley? No thanks. Great player and all, but his productivity likely will not even come close to Z's productivity career-wise.

 

Bay? I like his upside and ceiling, but not enough to do that trade.

 

Vlad? Tough call, but his back worries me. Probably not.

[Mark_R]

Mark Teixeira.

 

Let him play LF or something. That stick is amazing.

[Outshined_One]

Mark Teixeira.

 

Let him play LF or something. That stick is amazing.

 

Another guy I gave thought to, although I'm curious as to how good he would be defensively in the OF. Also, his home field is quite hitter-friendly.

 

Three year splits

Home: .311/390/.629/1.019

Away: .253/.334/.454/.788

 

In all fairness, he is going to turn 26 next season and there's been a marked improvement in his stats over the past three years. His numbers are fairly even from both side of the plate, to boot.

 

Tough call, I'm going to have to mull that one over.

[Mark_R]

Could he really be worse defensively than Dunn in the outfield? And he's also younger, cheaper, further away from Free Agency (I believe), and a better hitter overall.

[Outshined_One]

Could he really be worse defensively than Dunn in the outfield? And he's also younger, cheaper, further away from Free Agency (I believe), and a better hitter overall.

 

Again, it's a hard call, especially considering that he and Dunn are only separated by a few months in age (11/9/79 vs. 4/11/80) with less than a million dollars ($4.6m vs. $3.625m) separating them in terms of 2005 salary (not sure how 2006 will look).

 

Their career OPS numbers are separated by .002 (with Teixeira getting the edge), while in terms of three year splits Dunn has a .009 advantage. Dunn walks a heck of a lot more, while Teixeira strikes out less.

 

Given what I said about Dunn when I first mentioned him, I'd likely apply it to Teixeira, as well.

[gflore34]

I should have looked closer, posted the same link in the Rosenthal thread nevertheless, why does Rogers have Zambrano going in nearly every deal he purposes? Did Carlos not give him a piece of Bubble Gum one afternoon?

[Backtobanks]

Everybody's favorite Tribune comedic writer is BACK at it again, with a brand new edition:

 

Think an offer of Carlos Zambrano, Pie and Perez would get the Baltimore Orioles' attention?

I do. The Cubs ought to be willing to give up Zambrano to get Tejada, especially if they still can add a free-agent starter (Kevin Millwood, Jeff Weaver or Brett Tomko would do).

 

I would hate to see Pie traded, but if he could help bring Tejada, that could excuse it, especially if the argument next September is which member of a Cubs playoff team most deserves the National League MVP, Lee or Tejada?

 

Z/Pie/Perez for Tejada...for the love of baseball god....why won't somebody plz hut him up. Millwood/Weaver/Zito would have to be in the Cubs possession before I would even consider trading Zambrano for Tejada. Trading Z for Tejada, and "hoping" to sign Millwood, etc is not very sound.

 

It would not only get their attention, it would cause them to wet their pants.