patterson will not be non-tendered

[stitchface]

I'm not against not non-tendering him.

[erik316wttn]

I could live with one year of Preston Wilson with Corey as the 4th OF'er.

 

Just so long as it's only ONE year, and that if he truly sucks hardcore, he gets replaced for a bit.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Good to see they'll bring him back, but still think he's gone. Wilson for a year in RF wouldn't be horrible. He could put up an .800 ops, which is alright for a 6 hitter. They need to zero in on Tejada.

 

The sad part about that plan is Pie being our every day RF in 2007+. What a complete misuse of talent. But, hey, we needed a leadoff hitter. :roll:

[sethuel1]

I'm not against not non-tendering him.

I'm not opposed to not opposing your non approval of not non-tendering him.

 

I have no idea what this actually means.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'm not against not non-tendering him.

I'm not opposed to not opposing your non approval of not non-tendering him.

 

I have no idea what this actually means.

 

And I second that. (the part about not knowing what that means)

[cubbyvirus00]

why can't someone good :hug: love :hug: to play for baker?

 

because the only people who love Baker are shi**y veterans who won't get playing time anywhere else, and are guaranteed to start regardless what they do?

 

Priceless. :lol:

[Andy]

Better Patterson than burning up more money on a RF that's barely any less crappy. There's also the hope, however small, that CPatt might get closer to his 03 numbers.

 

That said, Tejada better be at short if CPatt sees any significant time.

[sherwood921]

I could live with one year of Preston Wilson with Corey as the 4th OF'er.

 

Just so long as it's only ONE year, and that if he truly sucks hardcore, he gets replaced for a bit.

 

I agree what you, partially because we don't have many other options. Unfortunately that's what we all said about Burnitz last year.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think this is a smart move on the Cubs part. IMO a lot of teams might have been unwilling to trade for Patterson because they thought he was going to be non-tendered.

 

Now, if the Cubs are not going to get a impact bat in RF, why bother wasting Pinto and Nolesco on Pierre? This team has no plan then and it's time for Hendry to leave if this is the case.

 

I wouldn't mind Wilson in right and I think it would be a good time to get him if he wants to give the Cubs that discount that they always need a free agent postion player to give them. This way the Cubs would have Patterson, Hairston and Mabry for the OF which wouldn't be that bad of a bench.

[Balsa]

I'm not against not non-tendering him.

I'm not opposed to not opposing your non approval of not non-tendering him.

 

I have no idea what this actually means.

 

I disagree on even numbered Tuesdays.

[10man]

This is most likely a bluff call by Hendry since most GM's probably know that Jim is blowing smoke up their a--

[Wheelimus]

Now, if the Cubs are not going to get a impact bat in RF, why bother wasting Pinto and Nolesco on Pierre? This team has no plan then and it's time for Hendry to leave if this is the case.

 

I think it's pretty clear Hendry doesn't view Pierre as a one year rental (though he needs slapped for not going ahead and doing a new contract if that's the case, since it'll be cheaper to sign him off of a down year than if he has a good season this year), I think he'll be our center fielder for the next 3 or 4 years, with Pie being broke in at a corner.

 

And yeah, I can't argue against keeping Patterson and giving him a chance to win the right field job, he's as likely to have a good year as any of the 4th tier free agents we're persuing. And if Wilson will come cheap he's not a bad choice to let him fight with Corey to be the right fielder next year.

 

May the baseball gods bless Cedeno and Murton, because if they don't have breakthrough years, we're screwed...

[JeffH]

May the baseball gods bless Wood and Prior, because if they don't have breakthrough years, we're screwed...

 

I fixed that for you.

[CuseCubFan69]

Now, if the Cubs are not going to get a impact bat in RF, why bother wasting Pinto and Nolesco on Pierre? This team has no plan then and it's time for Hendry to leave if this is the case.

 

I think it's pretty clear Hendry doesn't view Pierre as a one year rental (though he needs slapped for not going ahead and doing a new contract if that's the case, since it'll be cheaper to sign him off of a down year than if he has a good season this year), I think he'll be our center fielder for the next 3 or 4 years, with Pie being broke in at a corner.

 

And yeah, I can't argue against keeping Patterson and giving him a chance to win the right field job, he's as likely to have a good year as any of the 4th tier free agents we're persuing. And if Wilson will come cheap he's not a bad choice to let him fight with Corey to be the right fielder next year.

 

May the baseball gods bless Cedeno and Murton, because if they don't have breakthrough years, we're screwed...

 

I think it may depend on how much Damon gets this off season with Pierre. Hendry does a wonderful job of getting players and signing them after a trade.

 

I agree with what you're saying but what scares me is Johnny B and his lineup card. He has the chance to make this Cub team into one of the worst hitting teams in baseball and Hendry signing Perez to a 2 year 6 deal didn't help matters in any way.

[Wheelimus]

May the baseball gods bless Wood, Prior, Cedeno, Murton, Dempster, Eyre, Howry, the water boy, and the random fan we pluck out of the stands to play right field...because if they don't have breakthrough years, we're screwed

 

I fixed that for you.

 

No no, I fixed it for YOU :lol:

[Lefty]

This is most likely a bluff call by Hendry since most GM's probably know that Jim is blowing smoke up their a--

 

Just like "we'll only trade Sosa if it makes our team better." I'd love to play poker with this guy.

[Wheelimus]

Well, if the choice is Patterson, Jacque Jones, or Juan Encarncion...I hope he isn't bluffing...

[RynoRules]

If we're going to keep Patterson around, why not sign Richard Hidalgo to be a platoon partner.

 

Tejada (or Arod) better be at SS if we're going to have to watch a platoon of Patterson/Hidalgo in RF.

 

Agreed.

 

If I didn't know better, I'd say that Jim is crying "uncle". He's overplayed his hand forthe second straight winter, and now he's going to pay for it w/ an OF of Murton-Pierre-Patterson, and a MIF of Cedeno and Perez (he'll find a way to deal Walker for a PTBNL).

 

Ugh. :stone:

[JeffH]

What do you suggest that Hendry should have done up to this point to address RF?

 

Please no unrealistic "sign Brian Giles" or "three way trade where we give up Rich Hill and Jerome Williams, Barry Zito goes to the Phillies and we get Bobby Abreu" nonsense.

 

Realistic stuff, please.

[Wheelimus]

Well, with the haul that Texas got for Soriano, I wish we would have been in line ahead of them to fleece the Nationals for Wilkerson :lol:

 

Beyond that, it might not have been a bad idea to sign Burnitz back if he would have took a $3 mil contract (Neifi money) with incentives if he starts. So at least we have SOMETHING. And if we can do better afterwards, he'd be one of the better 4th outfielders in the game.

[Rooftop Bum]

What do you suggest that Hendry should have done up to this point to address RF?

 

Please no unrealistic "sign Brian Giles" or "three way trade where we give up Rich Hill and Jerome Williams, Barry Zito goes to the Phillies and we get Bobby Abreu" nonsense.

 

Realistic stuff, please.

 

Sign Burnitz again if he did not have a plan. I thought we would at least be getting someone better than Burnitz since they did not opt to sign him. Which we may still get someone better but I'd rather have Burnitz in RF than Pattersion.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

What do you suggest that Hendry should have done up to this point to address RF?

 

Please no unrealistic "sign Brian Giles" or "three way trade where we give up Rich Hill and Jerome Williams, Barry Zito goes to the Phillies and we get Bobby Abreu" nonsense.

 

Realistic stuff, please.

 

Sign Burnitz again if he did not have a plan. I thought we would at least be getting someone better than Burnitz since they did not opt to sign him. Which we may still get someone better but I'd rather have Burnitz in RF than Pattersion.

 

That's exactly why I'm still holding on to the idea that Hendry is up to something. If he was completely fooled or just lost, re-signing Burnitz was something that we have grown accustomed to expect for him. He let the arby deadline pass without giving him a look, so I'm thinking he is set on making an improvement there. Hendry's been in baseball long enough to know that most of the names being thrown about are just Burnitz clones. Do I have too much faith right now?

[Banedon]

What do you suggest that Hendry should have done up to this point to address RF?

 

Please no unrealistic "sign Brian Giles" or "three way trade where we give up Rich Hill and Jerome Williams, Barry Zito goes to the Phillies and we get Bobby Abreu" nonsense.

 

Realistic stuff, please.

 

Why is signing Brian Giles unrealistic? The 3-way trade idea I can kinda see, but if signing free agents is unrealistic, I don't know what a realistic answer to this question should be. Hendry has to address RF by trade, by free agency, or by minor leagues....and it seems you've discounted the first two options.

[JeffH]

Why is signing Brian Giles unrealistic?

 

It just seems to me that there's quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that Giles told his agent, "I'm going back to SD. Get me the best deal you can.".

 

Hendry has to address RF by trade, by free agency, or by minor leagues....and it seems you've discounted the first two options.

 

I don't discount the trade route. But a bunch of garbage/mediocrity for a superstar is not especially realistic.

 

I would have hoped that something like Williams, Novoa, and Ryu/Marmol might have been able to get Wilkerson from Texas, but it seems like Daniels may have developed an unnatural attachment to Wilkerson.

[Banedon]

Why is signing Brian Giles unrealistic?

 

It just seems to me that there's quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that Giles told his agent, "I'm going back to SD. Get me the best deal you can.".

 

There's also a lot of circumstantial evidence that Hendry never tried, or at least never had serious interest in going that route. You're going to lose on free agents like we did with Furcal, but showing some effort to try to get the best option available for that position would be great.

 

Hendry has to address RF by trade, by free agency, or by minor leagues....and it seems you've discounted the first two options.

 

I don't discount the trade route. But a bunch of garbage/mediocrity for a superstar is not especially realistic.

 

I would have hoped that something like Williams, Novoa, and Ryu/Marmol might have been able to get Wilkerson from Texas, but it seems like Daniels may have developed an unnatural attachment to Wilkerson.

 

Hundley turned into Grudz. Garbage for quality player.

 

Bobby Hill turned into Aramis Ramirez. Garbage/Mediocrity for All-Star caliber player.

 

Choi for Lee. Garbage/Mediocity for arguably the best position player in the National League last season.

 

It happens. How is it therefore unrealistic?