Jose Vidro

[NorthsideAvenger]

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/rozner.asp?id=131278

 

Vidro, eh?

[muntjack]

I would prefer to just keep Walker. Giving up Patterson and say, Wellemeyer for Vidro would be MUCH more desirable that trading the farm for Tejada, IMO.

 

Miguel is vastly overrated, and although Vidro's knee is a concern, he is a better hitter than Tejada. This also allows us to keep Cedeno at SS, giving us excellent defense up the middle.

 

Walker for free> Vidro for Patterson/prospect>>>Tejada for Pie/Hill/Marshall

[Diffusion]

Walker for free> Vidro for Patterson/prospect

 

I agree on that much.

 

However, I think Walker/Tejada is the best MI the Cubs can put together, but it depends on what the price for Tejada is.

 

And I'd still be uncomfortable with RF in that scenario.

 

At this stage, Walker/Cedeno/Abreu is still my preference.

[CubsWin]

I would prefer to just keep Walker. Giving up Patterson and say, Wellemeyer for Vidro would be MUCH more desirable that trading the farm for Tejada, IMO.

 

Miguel is vastly overrated, and although Vidro's knee is a concern, he is a better hitter than Tejada. This also allows us to keep Cedeno at SS, giving us excellent defense up the middle.

 

Walker for free> Vidro for Patterson/prospect>>>Tejada for Pie/Hill/Marshall

If Walker can help the Cubs land an OFer like Wilkerson, I say go hard after Vidro, put Cedeno at SS and go hard after Wilkerson. Then, if money allows, sign the best FA starter you can.

 

Walker & Williams/Hill for Wilkerson.

Patterson/Hairston & pitching prospect for Vidro.

 

Pierre

Vidro

Lee

Wilkerson

Ramirez

Murton

Barrett

Cedeno

 

Prior

Zambrano

Maddux

FA signee

Wood/Rusch

 

Dempster

Howry

Eyre

Ohman

Williamson

Wuertz/Novoa

 

Blanco

Mabry

Perez

Hairston/Patterson

FA/minor leaguer

[Diffusion]

I would prefer to just keep Walker. Giving up Patterson and say, Wellemeyer for Vidro would be MUCH more desirable that trading the farm for Tejada, IMO.

 

Miguel is vastly overrated, and although Vidro's knee is a concern, he is a better hitter than Tejada. This also allows us to keep Cedeno at SS, giving us excellent defense up the middle.

 

Walker for free> Vidro for Patterson/prospect>>>Tejada for Pie/Hill/Marshall

If Walker can help the Cubs land an OFer like Wilkerson, I say go hard after Vidro, put Cedeno at SS and go hard after Wilkerson. Then, if money allows, sign the best FA starter you can.

 

I think the Rangers are pretty keen on putting Ian Kinsler at second base next year, so I don't think Walker would help land Wilkerson.

[WrigleyinEngland]

I suggested vidro on a thread awhile back and got the impression his health was too risky. I dont see us trading for a MI , if we were interested in doing this why were we not in the hunt for castillo from florida who would of been perfect behind furcal/pierre?.

[CubsWin]

I would prefer to just keep Walker. Giving up Patterson and say, Wellemeyer for Vidro would be MUCH more desirable that trading the farm for Tejada, IMO.

 

Miguel is vastly overrated, and although Vidro's knee is a concern, he is a better hitter than Tejada. This also allows us to keep Cedeno at SS, giving us excellent defense up the middle.

 

Walker for free> Vidro for Patterson/prospect>>>Tejada for Pie/Hill/Marshall

If Walker can help the Cubs land an OFer like Wilkerson, I say go hard after Vidro, put Cedeno at SS and go hard after Wilkerson. Then, if money allows, sign the best FA starter you can.

 

I think the Rangers are pretty keen on putting Ian Kinsler at second base next year, so I don't think Walker would help land Wilkerson.

IIRC, Kinsler hasn't seen one major league pitch yet. Its not like he lit AAA pitching up last year either (.274/.348/.464). The Rangers may plan on starting him, but they will also want an inexpensive veteran option in case he pulls a Jason Dubois. Todd Walker is perfect. And with Williams or Hill headlining the deal, he wouldn't be the main piece the Rangers would be getting in return for Wilky.

[Diffusion]

I would prefer to just keep Walker. Giving up Patterson and say, Wellemeyer for Vidro would be MUCH more desirable that trading the farm for Tejada, IMO.

 

Miguel is vastly overrated, and although Vidro's knee is a concern, he is a better hitter than Tejada. This also allows us to keep Cedeno at SS, giving us excellent defense up the middle.

 

Walker for free> Vidro for Patterson/prospect>>>Tejada for Pie/Hill/Marshall

If Walker can help the Cubs land an OFer like Wilkerson, I say go hard after Vidro, put Cedeno at SS and go hard after Wilkerson. Then, if money allows, sign the best FA starter you can.

 

I think the Rangers are pretty keen on putting Ian Kinsler at second base next year, so I don't think Walker would help land Wilkerson.

IIRC, Kinsler hasn't seen one major league pitch yet. Its not like he lit AAA pitching up last year either (.274/.348/.464). The Rangers may plan on starting him, but they will also want an inexpensive veteran option in case he pulls a Jason Dubois. Todd Walker is perfect. And with Williams or Hill headlining the deal, he wouldn't be the main piece the Rangers would be getting in return for Wilky.

 

There's no way that I give up Williams or Hill plus Walker for Wilkerson.

[CuseCubFan69]

I have to say iif the Cubs have Vidro hitting second I would rather have a Floyd type hitter in right batting 5th or 6th than Wilkerson.

 

Pierre

Vidro

Lee

Floyd/Abreu

Ramirez

Murton

Barrett

Perez/Cedeno

 

If Huff was acquired I'd bat him behind Ramirez.

 

Also the nice thing about getting Vidro is that the Cubs still have Cedeno or Perez to fill in at 2nd. I would rather just keep Walker but I just don't see Mr. Hendry keeping him around.

[LoneStarCubFan]

I suggested vidro on a thread awhile back and got the impression his health was too risky. I dont see us trading for a MI , if we were interested in doing this why were we not in the hunt for castillo from florida who would of been perfect behind furcal/pierre?.

 

I suggested it too and got the same response.

 

If Vidro can play I wouldn't mind seeing him in Chicago. If all it took was Patterson and a minor league pitcher I'd say that's a pretty good deal.

 

Hendry needs to remake this team. The idea that Walker is untouchable doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. They've misssed the playoffs twice with him, what's the difference if they miss the playoffs without him?

 

If Vidro can be more help than Walker, then Vidro's worth the risk. It's that simple.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I don't see that Vidro, especially with his health issues, is a significant enough upgrade over Walker to bother. Plus, he's much more costly at $8MM/per.

 

I still say if Hendry is going to trade several players, he should do so to get a quality impact RF. The middle infield is not a significant hurdle for this team right now. The lack of a 5 hitter with genuine RBI production and SLG, now THAT is where this team is sorely lacking.

 

Abreu would be choices 1, 2 and 3. Floyd, Huff and Mench would be fallbacks.

[LoneStarCubFan]

I don't see that Vidro, especially with his health issues, is a significant enough upgrade over Walker to bother. Plus, he's much more costly at $8MM/per.

 

I still say if Hendry is going to trade several players, he should do so to get a quality impact RF. The middle infield is not a significant hurdle for this team right now. The lack of a 5 hitter with genuine RBI production and SLG, now THAT is where this team is sorely lacking.

 

Abreu would be choices 1, 2 and 3. Floyd, Huff and Mench would be fallbacks.

 

But if Walker nets this team a RF I'd rather see Vidro starting at 2B instead of Neifi.

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't see that Vidro, especially with his health issues, is a significant enough upgrade over Walker to bother. Plus, he's much more costly at $8MM/per.

 

I still say if Hendry is going to trade several players, he should do so to get a quality impact RF. The middle infield is not a significant hurdle for this team right now. The lack of a 5 hitter with genuine RBI production and SLG, now THAT is where this team is sorely lacking.

 

Abreu would be choices 1, 2 and 3. Floyd, Huff and Mench would be fallbacks.

 

Why not just get Vidro, Abreu and Tejada? =P~

 

I agree that the Cubs need that impact bat in right but I don't see why they can't improve the middle too.

[Lefty]

I don't see that Vidro, especially with his health issues, is a significant enough upgrade over Walker to bother. Plus, he's much more costly at $8MM/per.

 

I still say if Hendry is going to trade several players, he should do so to get a quality impact RF. The middle infield is not a significant hurdle for this team right now. The lack of a 5 hitter with genuine RBI production and SLG, now THAT is where this team is sorely lacking.

 

Abreu would be choices 1, 2 and 3. Floyd, Huff and Mench would be fallbacks.

 

We all have to look at the money from a different angle. We have money to spend. So we can offer teams that need to dump salary an outlet; instead of talent in some cases. If the Nats really need to lose Vidro's contract, and we don't know of course, but then you get Vidro for Patterson and that's it. So if Walker can go to LA for Bradley (please) then this could be the logical follow up.

[JeffH]

Bruce Miles - Is there anything to this Vidro business about which your colleague writes, or is it just Rozner being Rozner?

[katway]

Vidro is an excellent player, but I've always been concerned about his long term conditioning. While I think he'll continue to be a good offensive player, I also think there's a good chance he is the second coming of Carlos Baerga, a good player that suddenly declines.

[erik316wttn]

I suggested vidro on a thread awhile back and got the impression his health was too risky. I dont see us trading for a MI , if we were interested in doing this why were we not in the hunt for castillo from florida who would of been perfect behind furcal/pierre?.

 

I suggested it too and got the same response.

 

If Vidro can play I wouldn't mind seeing him in Chicago. If all it took was Patterson and a minor league pitcher I'd say that's a pretty good deal.

 

Hendry needs to remake this team. The idea that Walker is untouchable doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. They've misssed the playoffs twice with him, what's the difference if they miss the playoffs without him?

 

If Vidro can be more help than Walker, then Vidro's worth the risk. It's that simple.

 

I've never been a fan of this line of thinking. They haven't won with him, correct, but that doesn't mean they can't win with him. They shouldn't trade him just because they can. Should we trade Lee? We haven't made the playoffs with him, either.

 

Just because we haven't won with the guy doesn't mean we should be itching to trade him. It's not his fault the guys around him this year sucked, save a few.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If I could be convinced that Vidro is healthy, I'd go for it. I'm just not convinced of his health at all. If the cost was Patterson and Wellemeyer (two players the Cubs will dump for nothing anyway), I might take a gamble, but there's a big chance we'd be trading for damaged goods here.

[SCCubbieFAN]

...but there's a big chance we'd be trading for damaged goods here.

 

And end up with you know who playing 2nd if Walker is moved in another deal. :shock:

[LoneStarCubFan]

...but there's a big chance we'd be trading for damaged goods here.

 

And end up with you know who playing 2nd if Walker is moved in another deal. :shock:

 

Exactly.

 

If the Cubs want Bradley or Wilkerson, Walker's going to be part of the cost. It's worth dealing Walker if the deal will upgrade RF.

[CuseCubFan69]

...but there's a big chance we'd be trading for damaged goods here.

 

And end up with you know who playing 2nd if Walker is moved in another deal. :shock:

 

Perez is going to start unless the Cubs get 2 solid middle infielders.

[LoneStarCubFan]

The only 2005 players still on the roster who should be considered untouchable are Prior, Z, Dempster, Lee and ARam. Everybody else should be available for the right price.

[abuck1220]

 

Hendry needs to remake this team. The idea that Walker is untouchable doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. They've misssed the playoffs twice with him, what's the difference if they miss the playoffs without him?

 

 

the cubs missed the playoffs a bunch of times w/ ernie banks too. if only jim leyritz was available to trade banks for.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The only 2005 players still on the roster who should be considered untouchable are Prior, Z, Dempster, Lee and ARam. Everybody else should be available for the right price.

 

And I would argue that the only untouchables are Z and Prior. I certainly wouldn't stand in the way of trading Lee for the likes of Helton or Teixeira if a young stud OF was also involved, and I would help Aramis pack if ARod was coming to take his place. There aren't too many packages that a team could put together pretty enough to lure Z or Prior away from me. When they are on, they are 2 of the nastiest pitchers in all of baseball.

[JeffH]

Helton? Good grief.