Cubs have contacted Orioles?

[Cubskmill30]

 

I doubt Perez starts at short, unless we somehow get a good RF. We still have wholes in our offense, and Cedeno can at least hit better than Perez, while having roughly the same glove. I believe Perez was signed as a reserve (albeit way overpriced), in case our team decides to collectively get injured again.

 

Hendry has hinted that he wanted Cedeno starting, but ugh, Its dusty man. Besides, When you might even have the SLIGHTEST chance of getting A guy like Tejada, you try.

 

Exactly. I think Bill Simmons, the Boston Sportsguy, wrote something earlier during the Hanley Rameriez trade that you almost have to trade them when you have an oportunity to get a quality player in return. You just never know who and won't succeed. Tearing up the minors is not the same as playing in the bigs, just ask Jason Dubois.

[Andy]

Personally, I would pretty much hand Angelos a list of players (Z, Prior, DLee, Ramirez, Murton, Pie, Pierre, Barrett, Dempster, Williamson, maybe a couple I'm forgetting) and say he can pretty much take any three players in the system except for those for Tejada and see if he bites.

[Roast]

Personally, I would pretty much hand Angelos a list of players (Z, Prior, DLee, Ramirez, Murton, Pie, Pierre, Barrett, Dempster, Williamson, maybe a couple I'm forgetting) and say he can pretty much take any three players in the system except for those for Tejada and see if he bites.

 

You wont get anywhere without putting Pie's name in the discussion, especially not if your only letting him take 3 players. If they trade him they will want to get the base for a good young team in return, as I said previously a Package like Pie, Hill, Cedeno, and Dope would be a good start. And then I'd pay for all of Tejada's contract too.

[Andy]

Personally, I would pretty much hand Angelos a list of players (Z, Prior, DLee, Ramirez, Murton, Pie, Pierre, Barrett, Dempster, Williamson, maybe a couple I'm forgetting) and say he can pretty much take any three players in the system except for those for Tejada and see if he bites.

 

You wont get anywhere without putting Pie's name in the discussion, especially not if your only letting him take 3 players. If they trade him they will want to get the base for a good young team in return, as I said previously a Package like Pie, Hill, Cedeno, and Dope would be a good start. And then I'd pay for all of Tejada's contract too.

I'd probably do that deal. But since Hendry's not trading Pie or (apparently) Hill, it's probably a pointless discussion.

[Cubskmill30]

Personally, I would pretty much hand Angelos a list of players (Z, Prior, DLee, Ramirez, Murton, Pie, Pierre, Barrett, Dempster, Williamson, maybe a couple I'm forgetting) and say he can pretty much take any three players in the system except for those for Tejada and see if he bites.

 

You wont get anywhere without putting Pie's name in the discussion, especially not if your only letting him take 3 players. If they trade him they will want to get the base for a good young team in return, as I said previously a Package like Pie, Hill, Cedeno, and Dope would be a good start. And then I'd pay for all of Tejada's contract too.

 

I honestly doubt it will cost us Pie to get Tejada. If we give them enough pitching prospects, plus Cedeno and another bat, he can be ours. Just look at the other deals that are going on right now, no one has really had to give up their top prospect for anyone, and seldom does a top prospect get shipped unless he is in the Yanks system.

[frostwyrm]

For someone like Tejada you have to make ALL your minor leaguers available. If we were in the Orioles' shoes we would demand the same, and rightly so. Pie, Hill, and Cedeno all have to be on the table.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'd probably do that deal. But since Hendry's not trading Pie or (apparently) Hill, it's probably a pointless discussion.

 

I'm sure Hendry would trade Pie and/or Hill if it made sense. Tejada is one place where it makes sense, not in a deal for Kearns.

[CubbieSouthpaw]

Personally, I would pretty much hand Angelos a list of players (Z, Prior, DLee, Ramirez, Murton, Pie, Pierre, Barrett, Dempster, Williamson, maybe a couple I'm forgetting) and say he can pretty much take any three players in the system except for those for Tejada and see if he bites.

 

You wont get anywhere without putting Pie's name in the discussion, especially not if your only letting him take 3 players. If they trade him they will want to get the base for a good young team in return, as I said previously a Package like Pie, Hill, Cedeno, and Dope would be a good start. And then I'd pay for all of Tejada's contract too.

 

The list of 4 I made are the only ones they can't have and they can pick 4 and stil pay all of his contract. Tejada is 29 with 4 years remaining. He's worth every penny and prospect.

[Andy]

Personally, I would pretty much hand Angelos a list of players (Z, Prior, DLee, Ramirez, Murton, Pie, Pierre, Barrett, Dempster, Williamson, maybe a couple I'm forgetting) and say he can pretty much take any three players in the system except for those for Tejada and see if he bites.

 

You wont get anywhere without putting Pie's name in the discussion, especially not if your only letting him take 3 players. If they trade him they will want to get the base for a good young team in return, as I said previously a Package like Pie, Hill, Cedeno, and Dope would be a good start. And then I'd pay for all of Tejada's contract too.

 

I honestly doubt it will cost us Pie to get Tejada. If we give them enough pitching prospects, plus Cedeno and another bat, he can be ours. Just look at the other deals that are going on right now, no one has really had to give up their top prospect for anyone, and seldom does a top prospect get shipped unless he is in the Yanks system.

Somehow I think that if Cedeno + pitching prospects was all it took, Tejada would be a Cub already.

 

What about:

CPatt/Welly/Oriole prospect to LA

Bradley/Williams/Cedeno to Baltimore

Tejada to Cubs

 

?

[Roast]

Personally, I would pretty much hand Angelos a list of players (Z, Prior, DLee, Ramirez, Murton, Pie, Pierre, Barrett, Dempster, Williamson, maybe a couple I'm forgetting) and say he can pretty much take any three players in the system except for those for Tejada and see if he bites.

 

You wont get anywhere without putting Pie's name in the discussion, especially not if your only letting him take 3 players. If they trade him they will want to get the base for a good young team in return, as I said previously a Package like Pie, Hill, Cedeno, and Dope would be a good start. And then I'd pay for all of Tejada's contract too.

 

I honestly doubt it will cost us Pie to get Tejada. If we give them enough pitching prospects, plus Cedeno and another bat, he can be ours. Just look at the other deals that are going on right now, no one has really had to give up their top prospect for anyone, and seldom does a top prospect get shipped unless he is in the Yanks system.

 

I honestly doubt that we can do it without pie (unless we trade Prior/Z). And what do the other deals going down have to do with anything? No one remotley close to Tejada's class has been offered.

[Roast]

What about:

CPatt/Welly/Oriole prospect to LA

Bradley/Williams/Cedeno to Baltimore

Tejada to Cubs

 

?

 

Look at that form a Baltimore point of view... They trade Tejada and a prospect and only get Bradley/williams/cedeno in return? If they trade him (note, they dont have to) they are going to want a bunch of young talented players to build a team around. I am firmly under the beleif it will take a package along the lines of Pie/Hill/Dope/Cedeno to even get a discussion started.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

What about:

CPatt/Welly/Oriole prospect to LA

Bradley/Williams/Cedeno to Baltimore

Tejada to Cubs

 

?

 

Look at that form a Baltimore point of view... They trade Tejada and a prospect and only get Bradley/williams/cedeno in return? If they trade him (note, they dont have to) they are going to want a bunch of young talented players to build a team around. I am firmly under the beleif it will take a package along the lines of Pie/Hill/Dope/Cedeno to even get a discussion started.

 

I almost think if they're serious about winning, they may have to trade him. No way are they going to be able to compete in the East with their pitching staff. It would cost too much to get a bunch via FA, but I would think they would have to consider a package that included Pie, Cedeno, Williams, Hill/Guzman, and Wuertz/Novoa. They get someone who can step in at SS, a top prospect for CF, a ML-ready starter, another starter that is not too far off, and a decent reliever. 5 for 1? I'd do it with the list I just made.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Baltimore has no pitching--none. It's awful. Signing a lot of bats and no arms was dumb dumb dumb. What were they thinking?

 

Tejada would give them a head start on rectifying things. I still think they're going to have to blow the whole thing up to get moving in the right direction again, but snagging two starters and a reliever is progress.

 

I'd offer them Williams; Hill or Guzman (they pick); and Novoa or Wuertz (they pick), and see what kind of response I get.

 

If Pie in lieu of one of the starters gets their interest instead, I do that one then. Pie is a good prospect, but he's no Andy Marte, or Delmon Young, or Stephen Drew. I'd move him for a proven asset like Miggy, absolutely.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

One thing to consider when trading for Tejada is he would have the right to demand a trade after the 2006 season. Given the way salaries have risen, he may see the chance to become a free agent again promising and make that demand.

 

So, when giving up so much to get him, you run the liklihood of having to shop him next offseason.

[CuseCubFan69]

One thing to consider when trading for Tejada is he would have the right to demand a trade after the 2006 season. Given the way salaries have risen, he may see the chance to become a free agent again promising and make that demand.

 

So, when giving up so much to get him, you run the liklihood of having to shop him next offseason.

 

I think the Cubs should talk to Miggy about just that before/if the deal goes through.

[SteveSarley]

I am not sure if a package of Pie, Cedeno, Hill and J. Williams & cash would be enough to make this deal happen. Realize here that everyone proposing trades is talking about getting one superstar in return for a bushel full of "what if's."

Would you trade Derrek Lee for the above-mentioned four prospects? I don't think I would. Why would Baltimore trade their version of Derrek Lee for the same?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I am not sure if a package of Pie, Cedeno, Hill and J. Williams & cash would be enough to make this deal happen. Realize here that everyone proposing trades is talking about getting one superstar in return for a bushel full of "what if's."

Would you trade Derrek Lee for the above-mentioned four prospects? I don't think I would. Why would Baltimore trade their version of Derrek Lee for the same?

 

 

Baltimore could see it as a chance to re-tool. It just depends on how they view the situation. With the pitching staff they have, they aren't going to contend in the AL East. They'll be at best, fourth place, and could finish behind the Devil Rays. Also, the Devil Rays have some of the best talent coming up in the next few years and if the Orioles aren't careful, they could end up a last place team for years to come.

 

If they decide to take a step back and get a bushel of minor league talent, they will help themselves down the road. They will also free themselves of some salary they can use next year to lure more talent there.

 

Personally, I see it as a long shot, but I have no idea what is or is not being discussed among the Oriole front office people.

[Andy]

One thing to consider when trading for Tejada is he would have the right to demand a trade after the 2006 season. Given the way salaries have risen, he may see the chance to become a free agent again promising and make that demand.

 

So, when giving up so much to get him, you run the liklihood of having to shop him next offseason.

 

I think the Cubs should talk to Miggy about just that before/if the deal goes through.

The Cubs got DLee locked up long-term after they traded for him...I don't see why we wouldn't do the same with Tejada.

[Backtobanks]

I am not sure if a package of Pie, Cedeno, Hill and J. Williams & cash would be enough to make this deal happen. Realize here that everyone proposing trades is talking about getting one superstar in return for a bushel full of "what if's."

Would you trade Derrek Lee for the above-mentioned four prospects? I don't think I would. Why would Baltimore trade their version of Derrek Lee for the same?

 

It is pretty obvious that the best the Orioles are going to do this year is finish 4th in their division. It might be hard for Angelos to admit he needs to start over, but if he realizes that then this is a good deal for the Orioles. Of course, a lot depends on what their scouts have to say about all of these players, but I've written that I think Cedeno will match Furcal's numbers within 2 years. I think he will be getting a future all-star in CF, SS, and 2 middle of the rotation starters by 2008 and will have lots of money to fill in holes for the next few years.

[Jehrico]

I am not sure if a package of Pie, Cedeno, Hill and J. Williams & cash would be enough to make this deal happen. Realize here that everyone proposing trades is talking about getting one superstar in return for a bushel full of "what if's."

Would you trade Derrek Lee for the above-mentioned four prospects? I don't think I would. Why would Baltimore trade their version of Derrek Lee for the same?

 

It is pretty obvious that the best the Orioles are going to do this year is finish 4th in their division. It might be hard for Angelos to admit he needs to start over, but if he realizes that then this is a good deal for the Orioles. Of course, a lot depends on what their scouts have to say about all of these players, but I've written that I think Cedeno will match Furcal's numbers within 2 years. I think he will be getting a future all-star in CF, SS, and 2 middle of the rotation starters by 2008 and will have lots of money to fill in holes for the next few years.

 

I don't think Angelos wants to throw the white flag up with the Nats in his back yard now...it'll kill his fan base to do that right now.

[CoolHandLuke]

I am not sure if a package of Pie, Cedeno, Hill and J. Williams & cash would be enough to make this deal happen. Realize here that everyone proposing trades is talking about getting one superstar in return for a bushel full of "what if's."

Would you trade Derrek Lee for the above-mentioned four prospects? I don't think I would. Why would Baltimore trade their version of Derrek Lee for the same?

 

Derrek Lee didnt just request a trade either

[SteveSarley]

Requesting a trade does not mean that the club has to trade a superstar for assorted crap of less thanequal value. Do you think that the O's will believe that we are doing them a favor by taking Tejada off fo their hands?

[CoolHandLuke]

Requesting a trade does not mean that the club has to trade a superstar for assorted crap of less thanequal value. Do you think that the O's will believe that we are doing them a favor by taking Tejada off fo their hands?

 

I never said they had to trade him, I was just saying you can't compare this situation to Derrek Lee. And Pie, Williams, Hill and Cedeno are not exactly assorted crap.