Cubs offer to FLA for Pierre is....

[Dr. Cub]

 

It's a shame we have to think like this, but Jim has to pick up someone fast, or it's going to be Preston Wilson. I bet Wrigley's grass helps Juan out alot (assuming this deal goes through).

 

i've heard other people say that, and i don't understand why. won't the slow grass keep his slap hits from getting through?

 

I would have to say that the amount of increased friction to his "slap hits" would be completely outweighed by the benefit to his "bunt hits".

Edited December 7, 2005 by Dr. Cub

[nilodnayr]

Once again, the only way I'm even halfway interested in Pierre is if every reasonable attempt to get Bradley, Wilkerson, or Michaels is shot down. Even then I wouldn't give up too much for Pierre - mostly just Rule 5/optionless spare parts. Mediocre one-year rentals shouldn't cost that much.

Bob, wouldn't Michaels essentially be a one year rental? I'm going off the assumption that Pie would be ready in 2007. Michaels doesn't appear to project enough from a slugging standpoint to be a productive enough corner outfielder. Plus, he's not exactly a spring chicken, either, age wise.

 

He's arby eligible, Pie performs well and it gives the Cubs more options as far as trading him.

 

Michaels performs like I expect and the Cubs want to tarde him to make room for Pie and they'd more in return than losing Pierre for a draft pick.

 

Do you think in the Phillies' mind that Nolasco/Pinto would equate to Wang? I believe that's what you were saying the offer was for Michaels. How high should the Cubs go to obtain Michaels?

 

And I wish he had a full season under his belt to judge him by. I love his OBP, but something just doesn't rub me the right way about a guy who is supposedly that good that can't get 600 PA's. Yes, I know, Marlon Byrd, but the difference in production is staggering between the two.

 

We all know baseball people aren't the smartest, or have we forgotten that Dusty Baker is considered an elite manager? Why fault a guy because hes been crapped on?

[JGalt73]

The Marlins were thought to be trying to find a better proposal for Pierre than what the Cubs were offering, rumored to be pitcher Sergio Mitre and Double-A pitchers Ricky Nolasco and Reynel Pinto.

 

From Tribune.

[nilodnayr]

This is a legit question that I'd like an answer to.

 

I often see when someone (like Lee last year) puts up a year above his career average, alot of people here say such a thing is an aberation and that person will be back to around their career average next year.

 

BUT

 

a guy is below is career average (like Pierre) this year, and all of a sudden he is in a decline and he won't get back to his career numbers.

 

 

 

It's a shame we have to think like this, but Jim has to pick up someone fast, or it's going to be Preston Wilson. I bet Wrigley's grass helps Juan out alot (assuming this deal goes through).

 

Even if he reverts back to his non-coors career norms, hes an inferior option to bradley, wilk, and michaels and will likely cost just as much if not more than them.

[fallingpieces]

What if we were to hold onto Patterson, and put him in right? We'd have pierre lead off, and let Patterson hit in the 2 hole. I don't know about everyone else, but I think that would be a great plan. At that point we can have a very speedy 1-2, and Patterson can drive in Pierre. I think if Patterson isn't leading off, and management lets him do his thing, and not try to push a certain mindstate on him this would be a great set-up.

[Andy]

The Marlins were thought to be trying to find a better proposal for Pierre than what the Cubs were offering, rumored to be pitcher Sergio Mitre and Double-A pitchers Ricky Nolasco and Reynel Pinto.

 

From Tribune.

Wow, I want to see something done but we shouldn't need three highly rated prospects for a one-year rental from a team selling their team for spare parts.

[erik316wttn]

The Marlins were thought to be trying to find a better proposal for Pierre than what the Cubs were offering, rumored to be pitcher Sergio Mitre and Double-A pitchers Ricky Nolasco and Reynel Pinto.

 

From Tribune.

Wow, I want to see something done but we shouldn't need three highly rated prospects for a one-year rental from a team selling their team for spare parts.

 

I have no issues parting with Mitre, but I'd only give them Nolaso OR Pinto, not both.

[Outshined_One]

What if we were to hold onto Patterson, and put him in right? We'd have pierre lead off, and let Patterson hit in the 2 hole. I don't know about everyone else, but I think that would be a great plan. At that point we can have a very speedy 1-2, and Patterson can drive in Pierre. I think if Patterson isn't leading off, and management lets him do his thing, and not try to push a certain mindstate on him this would be a great set-up.

 

Something tells me this post is going to lead directly to another ten pages of replies.

[YearofDaCubs]

The Marlins were thought to be trying to find a better proposal for Pierre than what the Cubs were offering, rumored to be pitcher Sergio Mitre and Double-A pitchers Ricky Nolasco and Reynel Pinto.

 

From Tribune.

Wow, I want to see something done but we shouldn't need three highly rated prospects for a one-year rental from a team selling their team for spare parts.

 

I have no issues parting with Mitre, but I'd only give them Nolaso OR Pinto, not both.

Agreed. That is very fair.

[Chris]

The Marlins were thought to be trying to find a better proposal for Pierre than what the Cubs were offering, rumored to be pitcher Sergio Mitre and Double-A pitchers Ricky Nolasco and Reynel Pinto.

 

From Tribune.

 

Offering Fez doesn't bother me, it's the willing to give Ricky and Pinto.

[TXCubsFan]

Bruce Levine on ESPN 1000 just reported that the Cubs have made an offer to the Marlins for Juan Pierre. The package would be Nolasco and Pinto. He said the Cubs may have to include Rich Hill, but not sure.

 

He said at this point, sources say the Cubs have the best offer on the table, and are awaiting an answer!

 

Nolasco and Pinto are an acceptable trade for Pierre. Giving Pie another year to develop makes the trade worth it.

[Brian]

Surge and Pinto OR Nolasco would be the great. I really want to see Sergio get a chance to be a starter somewhere where better than a glorified AAA team.

[Electron Blue]

The Marlins were thought to be trying to find a better proposal for Pierre than what the Cubs were offering, rumored to be pitcher Sergio Mitre and Double-A pitchers Ricky Nolasco and Reynel Pinto.

 

From Tribune.

 

In other words, they're not satisfied yet. Question is, how satisfied to do they need to be to pull the trigger? Who else is making FLA offers? I read the Yanks don't want a bidding war (attn: Hell just froze over), so whose potential offer are we competing with?

 

Personally, I like the above trade. I think Mitre is little more than bait. I'm not a stats guy, but I've always thought Mitre was a AAAA pitcher who showed just enough potential just often enough to make him attractive to the right team. To sub Williams in for Mitre in the deal would give me second thoughts, but I'd still probably go for it.

[Mark_R]

 

We all know baseball people aren't the smartest, or have we forgotten that Dusty Baker is considered an elite manager? Why fault a guy because hes been crapped on?

 

I'm genuinely curious about this: how many players have been part time players at age 30 and got a starting gig and were difference makers?

 

I really have no idea the answer to this question. I'm not totally opposed to Michaels, I'm just trying to think outside the box on why he hasn't gotten an opportunity. If he puts up a great season, which is very possible given his past, then all the better for him (and if he's here, for us).

 

I'm interested to see the final cost of Michaels, also.

[Andy]

What if we were to hold onto Patterson, and put him in right? We'd have pierre lead off, and let Patterson hit in the 2 hole. I don't know about everyone else, but I think that would be a great plan. At that point we can have a very speedy 1-2, and Patterson can drive in Pierre. I think if Patterson isn't leading off, and management lets him do his thing, and not try to push a certain mindstate on him this would be a great set-up.

 

Something tells me this post is going to lead directly to another ten pages of replies.

Apparently not. It's almost worth keeping this post up so people can see that someone out there still thinks we can bat CPatt 2nd...

[fallingpieces]

What if we were to hold onto Patterson, and put him in right? We'd have pierre lead off, and let Patterson hit in the 2 hole. I don't know about everyone else, but I think that would be a great plan. At that point we can have a very speedy 1-2, and Patterson can drive in Pierre. I think if Patterson isn't leading off, and management lets him do his thing, and not try to push a certain mindstate on him this would be a great set-up.

 

Something tells me this post is going to lead directly to another ten pages of replies.

I apologize, but it's a thought that I've been sitting on for a little while. I know Patterson has had some issues, but I truly believe it's because no one has let him settle into a specific role at the plate. I would be happy with that as an outfield. I guess that's just me though.

[nilodnayr]

The Marlins were thought to be trying to find a better proposal for Pierre than what the Cubs were offering, rumored to be pitcher Sergio Mitre and Double-A pitchers Ricky Nolasco and Reynel Pinto.

 

From Tribune.

 

Ugh..,

 

Although in the article it says he made two proposals to two SEPARATE teams (I'm assuming the other is LA). Although Van Dyck goes on to say it also was a proposal involving several cubs for ome player and then talked about acquiring lugo and Huff (um, my math says thats two players).

[Outshined_One]

What if we were to hold onto Patterson, and put him in right? We'd have pierre lead off, and let Patterson hit in the 2 hole. I don't know about everyone else, but I think that would be a great plan. At that point we can have a very speedy 1-2, and Patterson can drive in Pierre. I think if Patterson isn't leading off, and management lets him do his thing, and not try to push a certain mindstate on him this would be a great set-up.

 

Something tells me this post is going to lead directly to another ten pages of replies.

I apologize, but it's a thought that I've been sitting on for a little while. I know Patterson has had some issues, but I truly believe it's because no one has let him settle into a specific role at the plate. I would be happy with that as an outfield. I guess that's just me though.

 

I'm still of the mindset that Patterson could turn it around with another organization. I don't think he has much of a future with the Cubs, but that's just me.

[Blueheart05]

The Marlins were thought to be trying to find a better proposal for Pierre than what the Cubs were offering, rumored to be pitcher Sergio Mitre and Double-A pitchers Ricky Nolasco and Reynel Pinto.

 

From Tribune.

 

Get it done. Mitre is not going into the Cubs rotation so if they want him, and it will complete the deal, do it.

 

Juan Pierre - OF - Marlins

 

 

The Chicago Tribune believes the Cubs are offering pitchers Sergio Mitre, Ricky Nolasco and Renyel Pinto to the Marlins for Juan Pierre.

Not bad, though the Marlins could try to do better. If acquired, Mitre would go right into Florida's rotation. The other two should probably begin the year in Triple-A. Dec. 7 - 12:53 am et

Source: Chicago Tribune

 

Rotoworld

[fallingpieces]

What if we were to hold onto Patterson, and put him in right? We'd have pierre lead off, and let Patterson hit in the 2 hole. I don't know about everyone else, but I think that would be a great plan. At that point we can have a very speedy 1-2, and Patterson can drive in Pierre. I think if Patterson isn't leading off, and management lets him do his thing, and not try to push a certain mindstate on him this would be a great set-up.

 

Something tells me this post is going to lead directly to another ten pages of replies.

I apologize, but it's a thought that I've been sitting on for a little while. I know Patterson has had some issues, but I truly believe it's because no one has let him settle into a specific role at the plate. I would be happy with that as an outfield. I guess that's just me though.

 

I'm still of the mindset that Patterson could turn it around with another organization. I don't think he has much of a future with the Cubs, but that's just me.

 

I think he can with the Cubs if they just give him a set role. You can't tell him you want him to be an rbi guy, then turn around and have him leading off expecting him to bunt at every opportunity. He's been mishandled his entire career, but I think if they get Pierre to hit leadoff, that will help him out quite a bit.

[nilodnayr]

What if we were to hold onto Patterson, and put him in right? We'd have pierre lead off, and let Patterson hit in the 2 hole. I don't know about everyone else, but I think that would be a great plan. At that point we can have a very speedy 1-2, and Patterson can drive in Pierre. I think if Patterson isn't leading off, and management lets him do his thing, and not try to push a certain mindstate on him this would be a great set-up.

 

Corey has sucked big time in his 360 career ABs in the 2 hole (like I mean low 600 OPS sucking). Management "letting him do his thing" means swinging for the fences at pitches from his toes to his eyes. So in summation, no, I do not want him getting the second largest number of ABs on the team, leaving the bases empty infront of Lee/ARAM (and not by knocking in runs, by striking out).

[fallingpieces]

What if we were to hold onto Patterson, and put him in right? We'd have pierre lead off, and let Patterson hit in the 2 hole. I don't know about everyone else, but I think that would be a great plan. At that point we can have a very speedy 1-2, and Patterson can drive in Pierre. I think if Patterson isn't leading off, and management lets him do his thing, and not try to push a certain mindstate on him this would be a great set-up.

 

Something tells me this post is going to lead directly to another ten pages of replies.

Apparently not. It's almost worth keeping this post up so people can see that someone out there still thinks we can bat CPatt 2nd...

 

And this is constructive how?

[VVMattVV]

Is it worth giving up three prospects for a one-year rental?

[Blueheart05]

What if we were to hold onto Patterson, and put him in right? We'd have pierre lead off, and let Patterson hit in the 2 hole. I don't know about everyone else, but I think that would be a great plan. At that point we can have a very speedy 1-2, and Patterson can drive in Pierre. I think if Patterson isn't leading off, and management lets him do his thing, and not try to push a certain mindstate on him this would be a great set-up.

 

Corey shouldn't sniff the 2-hole until he learns plate discipline. His speed does him no good if he can't hit or take a walk.

 

EDIT--

Edited December 7, 2005 by Blueheart05

[don_kessinger_was_good]

The Marlins were thought to be trying to find a better proposal for Pierre than what the Cubs were offering, rumored to be pitcher Sergio Mitre and Double-A pitchers Ricky Nolasco and Reynel Pinto.

 

From Tribune.

Wow, I want to see something done but we shouldn't need three highly rated prospects for a one-year rental from a team selling their team for spare parts.

 

Again, Cub fan myopia. "Highly-rated prospects?" Here's Rotoworld's take (boldface is mine)--

 

The Chicago Tribune believes the Cubs are offering pitchers Sergio Mitre, Ricky Nolasco and Renyel Pinto to the Marlins for Juan Pierre.

Not bad, though the Marlins could try to do better. If acquired, Mitre would go right into Florida's rotation. The other two should probably begin the year in Triple-A. Dec. 7 - 12:53 am et