Are you really this daft? I don't mean hate in the sense that I want him dead. I didn't need that everything needed to be said so freaking literally in order for people to understand something. But what do you mean by hate if not the literal definition? I can understand "hating" Jim Edmonds the Cardinal from earlier this decade. I don't understand how that carries over to now. wait, wait, wait. What's the literal definition, anyway? abuck equates it as being worthy of child molesters, and you -- trying to make literal meanings more clear -- can understand the literal term, when used with 40-hr edmonds? Just seems like you combined two different argument strands into one . . . and don't make sense anymore. Can we all just agree that "hate" in sports means something different? It's really easy. I hate the cardinals, i hate political oppression, and no clarification should be needed for that. :)