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back2backjax · December 4, 2005

thoughts on nomar...

if furcal chooses ATL or LA, i think hendry has to re-sign nomar and here is why:

his injury last season was a freak one that could happen to a lot of players. depsite being out 4 months, he came back and tore the cover off the ball. if you re-sign nomar, you can still get pierre, bat nomar second, lee third, ramirez fourth, etc. and play cedeno at SS or 2B depending on where you slot nomar.

surely nomar would rather get an incentive-laden contract that will pay him well from a contender than going to PIT for a little more guaranteed $$. right?

Careless · December 4, 2005

Getting hit with a baseball is a freak injury. this was a result of something in his body being weaker than it should be/needs to be

dorjecub · December 4, 2005

I wouldn't be totally opposed to that........if for some reason the Walker and Wood for Zito and Mench trade goes through it may be an interesting thought.

But then again, I think it's more likely that Neifi will win the triple crown :D

Diffusion · December 4, 2005

I think Hendry has unwisely burnt a lot of bridges with Nomar.

JC · December 4, 2005

Putting all of his eggs in the Furcal basket, even if he chooses the Cubs, was dumb. Here is why:

1. Hendry and Baker fail to recognize Walker as a legitimate leadoff threat.

1a. Hendry and Baker have an unhealthy reliance on speed at the top of the order.

2. Cedeno deserved more consideration to fill the spot as a cheaper alternative, thus freeing up money for the outfield.

3. Nomar wanted to stay in Chicago, IMO, as evidenced in part by his building a house there. An incentive laden contract with Cedeno as a backup was a plenty safe option at SS, again saving more money to fill outfield positions.

I'm not saying Furcal is a bad player at all. But, the Cubs shouldn't be considering $13M/year, or even 10, when they had legitimate other options.

stitchface · December 4, 2005

wow, that's an awful deal for the cubs . . . I sure hope that doesn't happen.

BigbadB · December 4, 2005

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. I'd be absolutely shocked if Nomar came back to the Cubs after the way they kicked him to the curb this offseason.

CheeseHead Cubs Fan · December 4, 2005

A huge "if" ... But, if Hendry said..."Nomar, if we sign Furcal your gone. If we don't your back"

Maybe Nomar will be back in Cubbie blue after all ?

Mark Priors Calves · December 4, 2005

If Garciaparra has any self-respect, he won't deal with the Cubs after the way Hendry's treated him this off season. Good luck Nomar, best of luck.

Mark_R · December 4, 2005

I don't want Nomar back. I'm resigned to the fate that 2006 will be a failure and that signing nomar instead of getting Cedeno acclimated to the majors would be a step in the wrong direction for the future.

This team needs to reload with young players, unfortunately with our doofus' in charge, it will likely be Mickey Sasser or Gary DiSarcina playing Short for us next season.

don_kessinger_was_good · December 4, 2005

C'mon, I like Nomar, but he's a shell of his former self, and he just can't play defense, no matter the position. You want to talk about someone "kicking him to the curb" that would be Boston, not Chicago.

Let him go the AL and DH for someone, but he doesn't suit our needs well. We just can't rely on guys like Wood and Nomar and Guzman that no matter the talent, just can't stay healthy. I love Babe Ruth too, because he's the best player of all time, but he can't help my team because, you know, he's dead.

Nomar 2006 does not equal Nomar 1998

Ding Dong Johnson · December 4, 2005

I'm fully confident that Nomar will go elsewhere, play 155 games, and post these numbers .338/.388/.560/.948

ManCrushOnNomar · December 4, 2005

yes plz

BigbadB · December 4, 2005

The only way the Cubs are getting Nomar back, IMO, is if they outbid every other team currently interested in his services, years and dollars.

Time is running out to do that. Nomar hasn't been sitting around waiting to see what pans out with Furcal (though it does help his situation), no teams were going to sign him until after the Cubs decline arbitration.

Since they can still offer arbitration, that might be the one thing going for the Cubs. Problem is, Nomar is a "B" free agent and not an "A".

Re-signing Nomar was my first offseason priority. Get him signed to a 1 year deal, low base with incentives. If you got Furcal, stick Nomar in left or right. Of course, I didn't want Furcal anyway. I wanted Giles.

Re-sign Nomar

Pick up Walker's option

Bid adieu to Neifi and Macias

Sign Giles (3/15)

Sign Lofton (1/1m)

Patch the bullpen by trading off Patterson, the relief corps and prospects.

You have about 25m wrapped up in the moves listed above. Maybe instead of signing Lofton, trade Walker for Bradley and stick Cedeno at 2nd.

Done.

Mark Priors Calves · December 4, 2005

I fully recognize Garciparra's inability to stay healthy in 2004 and 2005 but let's not forget the respectable line he put up when heathly this past season.

.283/.320/.452/.772

He definitely wasn't setting the world on fire but I still think he can up together at least one more very strong season. He's still 32 years old. Nomar won't have a breakout season by any means but he's more than capable of hitting for a strong average and deliver some strong SLG than this lineup needs.

Mark_R · December 4, 2005

Cedeno can probably put up nearly those numbers.

For less.

And to gauge how good he can be in the future.

Mark Priors Calves · December 4, 2005

Very valid, I guess my point is let's not get so enamored by acquring someone outside of the organization when very viable, cheap or somewhat cheap options are available. Cedeno/Walker is good, Nomar/Walker is very good.

Perez on the bench is set in stone, so its redudant to have Nomar, Cedeno, and Perez. Then again, its the Cubs so sign them all and let Dusty sort them out.

Mark_R · December 4, 2005

My opinion on bringing Nomar back would be more positive if I were confident in our chances in 2006, and I'm extremely pessimistic about our chances.

Probably plays a role ;)

don_kessinger_was_good · December 4, 2005

How is a 320 OBP, sub 800 OPS, and miserable defense something to long for? Put a fork in him, he's done.

MeatampPotatoesMan · December 4, 2005

sub 800 OPS? sounds like furcal.

Mark Priors Calves · December 4, 2005

Exactly. If the Furcal to the Dodgers story is true, there's no way Furcal is worth 13 million or even 10 million/year. I'd take Nomar at 5 million with some incentives based upon PA, and be content with the same production.

Furcal OPS in 2004: 758

Furcal OPS in 2005: 777

Garciaparra can do that, for a fraction of the cost. Cedeno can do that for a minumal amount compared to both Furcal and Garciaparra.

don_kessinger_was_good · December 4, 2005

I don't want Furcal for what he's (apparently) going to get paid, but related to this post, you'll point how to me how Garciaparra will give GG defense and 46 SBs, right? And for a leadoff man, OBP is more important than SLG, so while Furcal and Nomar had comparable OPS', Furcal's 35 point advantage in OBP is not trivial.

I love Ronny Cedeno, but he needs to hit low in the order, not leadoff. Hendry is going to need to go out and acquire that guy elsewhere.

Transmogrified Tiger · December 4, 2005

Nomar before shredding his groin: .157/.228/.176/.404 (56 PA's)

Nomar after shredding his groin: .318/.347/.531/.878 (188 PA's)

CubfaninCA · December 4, 2005

People don't want to waste money, but would love to bring back one of the most unreliable guys in the baseball. Baffling.

Where's the evidence that Hendry put all his eggs into Furcal's basket?? Do we have Jim Hendry's a Moran Strawman #1400? :o

CubfaninCA · December 4, 2005

For a fraction of the cost, he'll give the Cubs 100 less games too.

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