gut feeling: furcal to dodgers

[back2backjax]

with LA offering 3 yrs/$40 mil, there is no way the cubs can compete financially. the only way he joins the cubs is if the idea of playing for a contender and knowing who his manager will be outweighs the extra $$ the dodgers are throwing at him. personally, i couldn't imagine signing a 3 yr deal with a team and not knowing who i'd be playing for everyday. guess we'll find out within 24 hrs.

 

i just don't feel good about this; i see him chasing the dough.

[CubinNY]

You take some beano for that gut feeling :jocolor:

[Drew Doughty]

I don't think he's going to go, especially if he limited it to the Cubs and Dodgers. If the Braves were still in it, I'd be worried.

[Blueheart05]

with LA offering 3 yrs/$40 mil, there is no way the cubs can compete financially. the only way he joins the cubs is if the idea of playing for a contender and knowing who his manager will be outweighs the extra $$ the dodgers are throwing at him. personally, i couldn't imagine signing a 3 yr deal with a team and not knowing who i'd be playing for everyday. guess we'll find out within 24 hrs.

 

i just don't feel good about this; i see him chasing the dough.

 

I agree about the Dodgers chances right now but I have a feeling that Hendry is going to up the ante in the 11th hour (I hope so anyway).

 

It's hard to say, publically, that a guy is your number one offseason priority then let him go without a fight.

Edited December 3, 2005 by Blueheart05

[HoopsCubs]

with LA offering 3 yrs/$40 mil, there is no way the cubs can compete financially. the only way he joins the cubs is if the idea of playing for a contender and knowing who his manager will be outweighs the extra $$ the dodgers are throwing at him. personally, i couldn't imagine signing a 3 yr deal with a team and not knowing who i'd be playing for everyday. guess we'll find out within 24 hrs.

 

i just don't feel good about this; i see him chasing the dough.

 

Actually, the Cubs could compete financially with the offer (3/$40m), but they would probably choose not to, and it would be hard to blame them for a guy, who's OPS has never exceeded .800, and who's OBP has not exceeded .352 during the last 4 seasons.

 

Just pass on him Jim!

[UK1679666180]

I still think he's going back to ATL, they'll pay him close enough to the Cubs/LA and why not go to the best option of the 3?

[Jehrico]

I think LA is the last team he wants to go to, they'll have to significantly outbid us and Atlanta to get him. Right now, they're around 13 per. I think if Hendry increases to 11 per over 5 years, we'll be the more attractive team to him.

[CubinNY]

I hope he does go to the Dodgers.

 

1. He is not that good

2. He does not fill a hole (I don't need a "true" leadoff batter)

3. The Cubs can spend the extra dough on player development and scouting

 

I hope Hendry doesn't get caught up in the chase.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I think LA is the last team he wants to go to, they'll have to significantly outbid us and Atlanta to get him. Right now, they're around 13 per. I think if Hendry increases to 11 per over 5 years, we'll be the more attractive team to him.

 

Why do you think LA is the last team he wants to go to?

[Blueheart05]

I think LA is the last team he wants to go to, they'll have to significantly outbid us and Atlanta to get him. Right now, they're around 13 per. I think if Hendry increases to 11 per over 5 years, we'll be the more attractive team to him.

 

Reportedly, Furcal is torn, in part, because he likes the Dodgers 3 year offer. Specifically,the idea of 13MM per year and having the ability to be a FA in 3 years versus the stability of being locked in (at the same salary) for 5 years. I think the Cubs need to restructure their offer so that it includes a player option in year three. I also think they need to increase the money by a million or 1.5.

[Flames24Rulz]

this is also my gut feeling.

 

and i had a gut feeling that when we signed Perez, he would be our opening day SS. That feeling has never left me.

[AramisRamirez]

at this point id be tempted to pull out of the furcal race. anything more than 3-years/$40M is just insane. he's good, an anchor at the top of the order, but ponying up 6-years/$60M is just way too much for him.

 

i cant imagine hendry adding a 6th year. a 5th year was a stretch as it is, but but i would just pull out at this point.

 

can cedeno bat leadoff?? my new focus would be juan pierre and milton bradley. if we can bring those two in without trading todd walker, we'd be in pretty good shape. i would keep todd walker, especially if furcal ends up in elsewhere.

 

if we add pierre and milton, id still consider this a sucessful season. i would slide either walker or milton into the 5th hole, which isnt ideal because neither has 5th hole power but both bring high OBP to the table.

 

OF pierre

OF bradley

1B lee

3B ramirez

2B walker

C barrett

OF murton

SS cedeno

 

that lineup is much more well rounded than the 05 cubs. good speed with pierre, high OBP with walker, bradley, and lee, and power with lee and aramis.

 

we could still use another quality starter like zito, but at this point im just asking for any type of impact trade at all.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

this is also my gut feeling.

 

and i had a gut feeling that when we signed Perez, he would be our opening day SS. That feeling has never left me.

 

I bet you puke a lot.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I think LA is the last team he wants to go to, they'll have to significantly outbid us and Atlanta to get him. Right now, they're around 13 per. I think if Hendry increases to 11 per over 5 years, we'll be the more attractive team to him.

 

Reportedly, Furcal is torn, in part, because he likes the Dodgers 3 year offer. Specifically,the idea of 13MM per year and having the ability to be a FA in 3 years versus the stability of being locked in (at the same salary) for 5 years. I think the Cubs need to restructure their offer so that it includes a player option in year three. I also think they need to increase the money by a million or 1.5.

 

It's pretty funny how all that "i wanna play with my countrymen" and like my manager bs just went out the window when the money being offered jumped. if he decide on LA, I won't miss him one bit. If he stays with Atlanta, we probably missed out on a "good dude." :)

[Jehrico]

I think LA is the last team he wants to go to, they'll have to significantly outbid us and Atlanta to get him. Right now, they're around 13 per. I think if Hendry increases to 11 per over 5 years, we'll be the more attractive team to him.

 

Why do you think LA is the last team he wants to go to?

 

Their organization is in shambles and likely won't be in position to seriously compete, even in that weak division, for hte next three years. If you believe his agent (yeah, hard to do, I know), money isn't going to be the determining factor in where he signs. If he does sign with LA, then it's obvious that money is the number one factor of the signing. The organization is seriously behind our organization, even moreso Atlanta's. LA is a horrible city compared to either Atlanta or Chicago, don't think he'd be excited to live there vs the alternatives. Other than the money, what motivation could he possibly have to play in LA?

[JeffH]

If...

 

...Furcal really does decide tomorrow...

 

...the Dodgers don't hire a manager between now and then...

 

...and he chooses a Dodger three-year offer...

 

...not only will it be a sad day for the Cubs, it will be a sad day for baseball.

 

A player will have turned down two teams/situations he reportedly feels very warmly toward to go to a team with no manager and an on-field product that is in disarray, to put it nicely. In the process, he will have turned down a larger total offer.

 

It will be a shame.

[Diffusion]

Don't worry guys, Neifi is working the phones as we type!

[Blueheart05]

at this point id be tempted to pull out of the furcal race. anything more than 3-years/$40M is just insane. he's good, an anchor at the top of the order, but ponying up 6-years/$60M is just way too much for him.

 

i cant imagine hendry adding a 6th year. a 5th year was a stretch as it is, but but i would just pull out at this point.

 

can cedeno bat leadoff?? my new focus would be juan pierre and milton bradley. if we can bring those two in without trading todd walker, we'd be in pretty good shape. i would keep todd walker, especially if furcal ends up in elsewhere.

 

if we add pierre and milton, id still consider this a sucessful season. i would slide either walker or milton into the 5th hole, which isnt ideal because neither has 5th hole power but both bring high OBP to the table.

 

OF pierre

OF bradley

1B lee

3B ramirez

2B walker

C barrett

OF murton

SS cedeno

 

that lineup is much more well rounded than the 05 cubs. good speed with pierre, high OBP with walker, bradley, and lee, and power with lee and aramis.

 

we could still use another quality starter like zito, but at this point im just asking for any type of impact trade at all.

 

Pierre isn't a lock (lots of other teams are after him as well) and frankly, Furcal is a better leadoff man and defensive player. The Cubs have gone too far to take the offer off the table.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Don't worry guys, Neifi is working the phones as we type!

 

:lol:

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Don't worry guys, Neifi is working the phones as we type!

 

Neifi: "you're going to love Dusty. he'll never let some young punk take your spot."

 

Raffy: "no &%&$?!"

 

Neifi: "i could get caught with a dead hooker in the dugout and still start over Cedeno."

 

Raffy: "what about alcohol?"

 

Neifi: "dude. how do you think we handled losing 83 games last year?"

 

Raffy: "word."

[CubinNY]

The Cubs have gone too far to take the offer off the table.

 

Why do you say that?

 

I'm Furcal's agent:

 

Jim, hi. Great. And you? Fantastic. Say, listen Raffy and I were talking and he really likes the Cubs offer but the Dodgers are willing to go another 3 million per year. What do you have to say about that?

 

 

Jim, hello? Jim.

 

It's actually easy.

[Jehrico]

at this point id be tempted to pull out of the furcal race. anything more than 3-years/$40M is just insane. he's good, an anchor at the top of the order, but ponying up 6-years/$60M is just way too much for him.

 

i cant imagine hendry adding a 6th year. a 5th year was a stretch as it is, but but i would just pull out at this point.

 

can cedeno bat leadoff?? my new focus would be juan pierre and milton bradley. if we can bring those two in without trading todd walker, we'd be in pretty good shape. i would keep todd walker, especially if furcal ends up in elsewhere.

 

if we add pierre and milton, id still consider this a sucessful season. i would slide either walker or milton into the 5th hole, which isnt ideal because neither has 5th hole power but both bring high OBP to the table.

 

OF pierre

OF bradley

1B lee

3B ramirez

2B walker

C barrett

OF murton

SS cedeno

 

that lineup is much more well rounded than the 05 cubs. good speed with pierre, high OBP with walker, bradley, and lee, and power with lee and aramis.

 

we could still use another quality starter like zito, but at this point im just asking for any type of impact trade at all.

 

Pierre isn't a lock (lots of other teams are after him as well) and frankly, Furcal is a better leadoff man and defensive player. The Cubs have gone too far to take the offer off the table.

 

I HIGHLY doubt we have a legitimate shot to get Pierre. Supposedly, Florida wanted alot more from the NL teams than the AL teams in the Castillo deal. I think the Pierre deal will be handled in the same manner.

[Blueheart05]

The Cubs have gone too far to take the offer off the table.

 

Why do you say that?

 

I'm Furcal's agent:

 

Jim, hi. Great. And you? Fantastic. Say, listen Raffy and I were talking and he really likes the Cubs offer but the Dodgers are willing to go another 3 million per year. What do you have to say about that?

 

 

Jim, hello? Jim.

 

It's actually easy.

 

Because that call could be a bluff. Hendry might decide not to increase his offer but there's no reason to take it off the table when in all actuality Furcal may want to come to the Cubs but is hoping to bleed a few extra million in the process.

[Blueheart05]

at this point id be tempted to pull out of the furcal race. anything more than 3-years/$40M is just insane. he's good, an anchor at the top of the order, but ponying up 6-years/$60M is just way too much for him.

 

i cant imagine hendry adding a 6th year. a 5th year was a stretch as it is, but but i would just pull out at this point.

 

can cedeno bat leadoff?? my new focus would be juan pierre and milton bradley. if we can bring those two in without trading todd walker, we'd be in pretty good shape. i would keep todd walker, especially if furcal ends up in elsewhere.

 

if we add pierre and milton, id still consider this a sucessful season. i would slide either walker or milton into the 5th hole, which isnt ideal because neither has 5th hole power but both bring high OBP to the table.

 

OF pierre

OF bradley

1B lee

3B ramirez

2B walker

C barrett

OF murton

SS cedeno

 

that lineup is much more well rounded than the 05 cubs. good speed with pierre, high OBP with walker, bradley, and lee, and power with lee and aramis.

 

we could still use another quality starter like zito, but at this point im just asking for any type of impact trade at all.

 

Pierre isn't a lock (lots of other teams are after him as well) and frankly, Furcal is a better leadoff man and defensive player. The Cubs have gone too far to take the offer off the table.

 

I HIGHLY doubt we have a legitimate shot to get Pierre. Supposedly, Florida wanted alot more from the NL teams than the AL teams in the Castillo deal. I think the Pierre deal will be handled in the same manner.

 

Not to mention that Rotoworld is now reporting that the Marlins have asked the Yankees to give up Robinson Cano if they want Pierre. Just imagine what they would expect from the Cubs.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

So if the Cubs don't don't get Furcal what do they do?