Last 3 Sentences in Bruce Miles' Report 11/24/05

[HoopsCubs]

It's mostly about Howry and Furcal, of course, but leave it to Mr. Miles to sneak in a few other lines about an open slot that we have been talking a lot about.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=125059

 

 

"The Cubs also need a right fielder. Brian Giles (Padres) remains a free-agent possibility, but a Furcal signing would most likely take the Cubs out of the running for Giles. If the Phillies decide they want to trade right fielder Bobby Abreu, the Cubs will be a suitor."

[RynoRules]

It's mostly about Howry and Furcal, of course, but leave it to Mr. Miles to sneak in a few other lines.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=125059

 

 

"The Cubs also need a right fielder. Brian Giles (Padres) remains a free-agent possibility, but a Furcal signing would most likely take the Cubs out of the running for Giles. If the Phillies decide they want to trade right fielder Bobby Abreu, the Cubs will be a suitor."

 

Abreu?

 

HECK YES!!!!! :D :D =P~

[UK1679666180]

I wonder what the implications are as far as how much salary does Bruce Miles think Philly will absorb of Abreu's contract?

 

If Furcal's contract (assuming he's signed) prevents the Cubs from going after Giles, the Phillies would have to eat a large portion of Abreu's contract to get it down to even similar figures as the expected contract of Giles.

Edited November 24, 2005 by UK

[JWCUB]

It's mostly about Howry and Furcal, of course, but leave it to Mr. Miles to sneak in a few other lines.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=125059

 

 

"The Cubs also need a right fielder. Brian Giles (Padres) remains a free-agent possibility, but a Furcal signing would most likely take the Cubs out of the running for Giles. If the Phillies decide they want to trade right fielder Bobby Abreu, the Cubs will be a suitor."

 

Abreu?

 

HECK YES!!!!! :D :D =P~

 

 

I said this yesterday, I have a gut feeling we will have either Manny, Abreu, or Dunn in the outfield in 06.

[HoopsCubs]

Abreu?

 

HECK YES!!!!! :D :D =P~

 

Do you think the Delgado trade or Thome trade can give us any new insight as to what it might take to land Abreu in terms of players and money?

[Balsa]

C'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon Bobby now....(come on bobby)

 

Twist and shout....

[CubinNY]

It's mostly about Howry and Furcal, of course, but leave it to Mr. Miles to sneak in a few other lines about an open slot that we have been talking a lot about.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=125059

 

 

"The Cubs also need a right fielder. Brian Giles (Padres) remains a free-agent possibility, but a Furcal signing would most likely take the Cubs out of the running for Giles. If the Phillies decide they want to trade right fielder Bobby Abreu, the Cubs will be a suitor."

 

I read that too. At least it gives me hope.

[fearthecubs]

Abreu?

 

HECK YES!!!!! :D :D =P~

 

Do you think the Delgado trade or Thome trade can give us any new insight as to what it might take to land Abreu in terms of players and money?

 

Hoops, you have to ask yourself how the Phillies are going to 'look at' the 25M they sent to Chicago. What percentage of that counts towards the 06 payroll that they're budgeting for?

 

Secondly, it's pretty obvious that either Abreu or Lofton will be traded, and that brings up the second question of timing. Assuming neither have signed by the beginning of the winter meetings in early December, do you forget Furcal and go all out for Abreu assuming he's made available? What would it take to acquire Abreu? Obviously not another outfielder, so Corey is out of that equation, which brings up question number 3 - Corey hasn't been rumored in the Marlins trade, and if he doesn't have a spot in Philly in a possible Abreu trade.......what are we going to do with him?

[TrueBlueCubFan]

 

Secondly, it's pretty obvious that either Abreu or Lofton will be traded

 

FYI, Lofton is a FA

[fearthecubs]

 

Secondly, it's pretty obvious that either Abreu or Lofton will be traded

 

FYI, Lofton is a FA

 

I honestly thought he had another year left. Well, I change my question to: do you think Lofton will find a starting role somewhere next year? He deserves it.

[RynoRules]

Abreu?

 

HECK YES!!!!! :D :D =P~

 

Do you think the Delgado trade or Thome trade can give us any new insight as to what it might take to land Abreu in terms of players and money?

 

I think the Beckett trade might actually be more instructive. I sense that Hendry might have to be willing to part with 2 of our top 7 or 8 prospects. If so, I'd want the Phils to eat 40-50% of the contract.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I'd rather have Dunn if we're going to give up several of our top prospects. If we do get Abreu, I won't cry, but I do have my preferences.

 

I think we can be reasonably assured that Hendry won't get taken in a trade.

[CUBZ99]

I take it that in Bruce's opinion (IBO) the Pierre deal is not as close as is being reported by the Score.

[rawaction]

Abreu?

 

HECK YES!!!!! :D :D =P~

 

Do you think the Delgado trade or Thome trade can give us any new insight as to what it might take to land Abreu in terms of players and money?

 

Hoops, you have to ask yourself how the Phillies are going to 'look at' the 25M they sent to Chicago. What percentage of that counts towards the 06 payroll that they're budgeting for?

 

Secondly, it's pretty obvious that either Abreu or Lofton will be traded, and that brings up the second question of timing. Assuming neither have signed by the beginning of the winter meetings in early December, do you forget Furcal and go all out for Abreu assuming he's made available? What would it take to acquire Abreu? Obviously not another outfielder, so Corey is out of that equation, which brings up question number 3 - Corey hasn't been rumored in the Marlins trade, and if he doesn't have a spot in Philly in a possible Abreu trade.......what are we going to do with him?

 

I think the trades do give us insight as to what it is going to take to get Abreu. The question is whether or not the Cubs are willing to give that up. Of course, I don't see Philly eating any of Abreu's contract (they ate too much of Thome's and had an ample replacement in the wings), so I don't think it will take an established ML'er and 2 top prospects. I think we're looking close to the Delgado deal of 2 top 10 prospects and 1 midlevel prospect.

 

Personally, I think it would take Pie, Hill, and probably a throw in arm they can put in the pen (Wellemeyer). But I still think the best deal for Philly and the Cubs would be to get a 3rd team involved.

 

My proposed deal:

 

Cubs get: Abreu

Phillies get: Jerome Williams, Hank Blalock

Texas gets: David Bell, Padilla, Pie (cash from Phillies)

[Balsa]

I'd rather have Dunn if we're going to give up several of our top prospects. If we do get Abreu, I won't cry, but I do have my preferences.

 

I think we can be reasonably assured that Hendry won't get taken in a trade.

 

Yep, as much as I sometimes complain about Hendry, the good thing is that he almost never gets fleeced when he does trade.

[HoopsCubs]

the good thing is that he almost never gets fleeced when he does trade.

 

"Almost" is the key word. Trading Juan Cruz for slugs like Pratt and Lewis was pretty dismal and qualifies for "fleeced" status in my books. Especially when you consider that the Braves were able to use Cruz as part of a package to land Tim Hudson.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

the good thing is that he almost never gets fleeced when he does trade.

 

"Almost" is the key word. Trading Juan Cruz for slugs like Pratt and Lewis was pretty dismal and qualifies for "fleeced" status in my books. Especially when you consider that the Braves were able to use Cruz as part of a package to land Tim Hudson.

 

I think it's a fair distinction that when Hendry is trading "to get someone", he does a pretty good job(Nomar, Ramirez, Barrett, Lee). When he is trading "to get rid of someone", that's when he screws up(Cruz, Sosa, Farnsworth; Hawkins is the exception).

[CardsFanInChiTown]

the good thing is that he almost never gets fleeced when he does trade.

 

"Almost" is the key word. Trading Juan Cruz for slugs like Pratt and Lewis was pretty dismal and qualifies for "fleeced" status in my books. Especially when you consider that the Braves were able to use Cruz as part of a package to land Tim Hudson.

 

I think it's a fair distinction that when Hendry is trading "to get someone", he does a pretty good job(Nomar, Ramirez, Barrett, Lee). When he is trading "to get rid of someone", that's when he screws up(Cruz, Sosa, Farnsworth; Hawkins is the exception).

 

No GM is right 100% of the time, bad moves happen to even to the best GM's.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

the good thing is that he almost never gets fleeced when he does trade.

 

"Almost" is the key word. Trading Juan Cruz for slugs like Pratt and Lewis was pretty dismal and qualifies for "fleeced" status in my books. Especially when you consider that the Braves were able to use Cruz as part of a package to land Tim Hudson.

 

I think it's a fair distinction that when Hendry is trading "to get someone", he does a pretty good job(Nomar, Ramirez, Barrett, Lee). When he is trading "to get rid of someone", that's when he screws up(Cruz, Sosa, Farnsworth; Hawkins is the exception).

 

No GM is right 100% of the time, bad moves happen to even to the best GM's.

 

Naturally. I just think it's worth pointing out that most of Hendry's good deals come when he's trying to "get" someone, and most of his bad deals come when he's trying to "get rid of" someone.

[wastra]

Except when he traded Hundley! :wink:

[Gunned]

the good thing is that he almost never gets fleeced when he does trade.

 

"Almost" is the key word. Trading Juan Cruz for slugs like Pratt and Lewis was pretty dismal and qualifies for "fleeced" status in my books. Especially when you consider that the Braves were able to use Cruz as part of a package to land Tim Hudson.

 

I think it's a fair distinction that when Hendry is trading "to get someone", he does a pretty good job(Nomar, Ramirez, Barrett, Lee). When he is trading "to get rid of someone", that's when he screws up(Cruz, Sosa, Farnsworth; Hawkins is the exception).

 

No GM is right 100% of the time, bad moves happen to even to the best GM's.

 

Naturally. I just think it's worth pointing out that most of Hendry's good deals come when he's trying to "get" someone, and most of his bad deals come when he's trying to "get rid of" someone.

 

I think that's true of all GMs. If you're just trying to get someone off your team, you're probably not going to get the same value.

[YearofDaCubs]

It's mostly about Howry and Furcal, of course, but leave it to Mr. Miles to sneak in a few other lines.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=125059

 

 

"The Cubs also need a right fielder. Brian Giles (Padres) remains a free-agent possibility, but a Furcal signing would most likely take the Cubs out of the running for Giles. If the Phillies decide they want to trade right fielder Bobby Abreu, the Cubs will be a suitor."

 

Abreu?

 

HECK YES!!!!! :D :D =P~

 

 

I said this yesterday, I have a gut feeling we will have either Manny, Abreu, or Dunn in the outfield in 06.

If we do then we are money.

[Jazz]

Abreu?

 

HECK YES!!!!! :D :D =P~

 

Do you think the Delgado trade or Thome trade can give us any new insight as to what it might take to land Abreu in terms of players and money?

 

Hoops, you have to ask yourself how the Phillies are going to 'look at' the 25M they sent to Chicago. What percentage of that counts towards the 06 payroll that they're budgeting for?

 

Secondly, it's pretty obvious that either Abreu or Lofton will be traded, and that brings up the second question of timing. Assuming neither have signed by the beginning of the winter meetings in early December, do you forget Furcal and go all out for Abreu assuming he's made available? What would it take to acquire Abreu? Obviously not another outfielder, so Corey is out of that equation, which brings up question number 3 - Corey hasn't been rumored in the Marlins trade, and if he doesn't have a spot in Philly in a possible Abreu trade.......what are we going to do with him?

 

I think the trades do give us insight as to what it is going to take to get Abreu. The question is whether or not the Cubs are willing to give that up. Of course, I don't see Philly eating any of Abreu's contract (they ate too much of Thome's and had an ample replacement in the wings), so I don't think it will take an established ML'er and 2 top prospects. I think we're looking close to the Delgado deal of 2 top 10 prospects and 1 midlevel prospect.

 

Personally, I think it would take Pie, Hill, and probably a throw in arm they can put in the pen (Wellemeyer). But I still think the best deal for Philly and the Cubs would be to get a 3rd team involved.

 

My proposed deal:

 

Cubs get: Abreu

Phillies get: Jerome Williams, Hank Blalock

Texas gets: David Bell, Padilla, Pie (cash from Phillies)

 

Hendry would never let this deal happen, as Texas would be getting away with murder here. Blalock's away averages at home: .243/.300/.407. Obviosly since he got alot of hype from the All Star Game, his stock would be high but Im not sure he constitutes that kind of return. Id look somewhere else for a 3rd wheel team, try this:

 

Cubs get: Abreu, Michaels

Phillies get: Mueller, Hill, and Williams

Red Sox get: Patterson, Harvey, and Ohman/Novoa

 

Michaels has no room with the addition of Rowand, so he wil prby be ousted somewhere, in this deal, you can switch Michaels going to the Red Sox as well and save trading Patterson and Harvey, but id take the cost to get him as well.

 

The Phillies get one of the top 10 3B's in the MLB, a suitable option for this year, as well as 2 fillers for their rotation, and cut costs enough to go after FA pitching. The red sox makeout with a good haul just from Mueller, and all should work out financially in this deal with the cubs eating all of Abreu's contract.

[nucubs]

I don't think the Cruz deal was that bad. Not good, but it was a wash. Cruz played well with Mazzone in Atlanta but was terrible last year with Oakland. And Lewis is only 25 and probably wasn't 100% last year since he broke his leg at the end of the 04 season. I'll give him another year before I give up on him.

 

The Sosa trade turned out to be a very good trade, IMO. We gave up one of the greatest players to ever put on a Cub uniform for a bunch of scrubs, but Hairston outplayed Sosa last season and Fontenot may still make an impact. Plus, we saved money last season and won't have to pay Sosa $18 million on his '06 option. Will we be able to get Furcal or Giles or Abreu with that extra money?

 

Losing Farnsworth was stupid though, I'll agree on that one.

[WrigleyField 22]

Well although Hendry has done a good job of trading when he actually makes a trade, I think there has been some criticism that he could have done better if hadn't waited so long.

In the Cruz trade for example, not only did we get two guys who haven't made an impact, but at Cruz's peak we could have gotten a Rolen-type player. I don't know if I can blame him. He thought as most of us did, that he could have been a Pedro Martinez, and even if he fell short of those expectations would still be good.

 

Farnsworth and Sosa trades, while not great, are pretty good considering he was in a spot where he 'needed' to get rid of the guys. The other time he had that situation, Hundley it worked out great. Although the Sosa trade wouldn't have been as god if Sammy didnt suck so badly last year. Farnsworth we may have got the worse end of the deal. If nothing else the guys we got from it can be trading chips.

 

Overall I trust him to make good trades. Everything from turning Snachez(or whatever his name is) for Connoly, to turning Harris/Beltran/Jones/etc into Nomar, he does a good job.