Beckett/Lowell traded to the Red Sox

[goonys evil twin]

They have been that kind of team in the past, but after winning the series, and after being right there with the hated Yanks this year, and with their payroll, I can't see them doing to much of that vs going for the sure things. I could be wrong, but I don't see them fishing for comeback players this year.

 

The past? It was as recent as last season, after winning the series. Part of having that huge payroll is the ability to overpay and get away with it. I wouldn't do that if at all possible, but contrary to public perception and media theory, Boston and NYY can't get every sure thing.

[E.J.]

And the Marlins are throwing in money??

 

ESPN reporting it now

 

Florida would include cash in the trade to offset some of the $18 million owed to Lowell over the next two seasons.

 

Red Sox are making out like bandits.

[Proven Veteran]

And the Marlins are throwing in money??

 

ESPN reporting it now

 

Florida would include cash in the trade to offset some of the $18 million owed to Lowell over the next two seasons.

 

Red Sox are making out like bandits.

 

You beat me to it. I can't believe this.

[goonys evil twin]

And the Marlins are throwing in money??

 

ESPN reporting it now

 

Florida would include cash in the trade to offset some of the $18 million owed to Lowell over the next two seasons.

 

Red Sox are making out like bandits.

 

Then I have to assume the deal breaker was the Boston was willing to accept the least amount of cash.

[USSoccer]

And the Marlins are throwing in money??

 

ESPN reporting it now

 

Florida would include cash in the trade to offset some of the $18 million owed to Lowell over the next two seasons.

 

Red Sox are making out like bandits.

 

Then I have to assume the deal breaker was the Boston was willing to accept the least amount of cash.

 

Does this move give them any offensive leverage to trade Manny? Figure Lowell is going to split time between 1B and 3B. Wouldn't he outproduce Mueller and Millar by a pretty fair margin? Does this move improve their pitching and offense to the point that Manny is a bit more expendable?

[goonys evil twin]

Does this move give them any offensive leverage to trade Manny? Figure Lowell is going to split time between 1B and 3B. Wouldn't he outproduce Mueller and Millar by a pretty fair margin? Does this move improve their pitching and offense to the point that Manny is a bit more expendable?

 

Not in my mind, at least as far as the offense is concerned.

 

Do you see them bringing back Mueller and Millar? I think Millar is as good as gone, and Mueller may leave as well. If they keep him, Lowell should just start at 3B.

[Bruno7481]

Injury issues aside, I'm surprised Boston was able to get Beckett so cheap. I know they are assuming Lowell's contract, but still. Great move by Boston.

 

After seeing what Florida got in return for Beckett, if the Cubs go after Pierre or Castillo they better not give up all that much.

 

I feel sorry for Dontrelle. Maybe he'll demand a trade back to Chicago :lol:

[USSoccer]

Does this move give them any offensive leverage to trade Manny? Figure Lowell is going to split time between 1B and 3B. Wouldn't he outproduce Mueller and Millar by a pretty fair margin? Does this move improve their pitching and offense to the point that Manny is a bit more expendable?

 

Not in my mind, at least as far as the offense is concerned.

 

Do you see them bringing back Mueller and Millar? I think Millar is as good as gone, and Mueller may leave as well. If they keep him, Lowell should just start at 3B.

 

You don't think the offensive lift from Mueller/Millar/Youkilis to just Youkilis and Lowell is enough for them to feel better about moving Manny and signing Giles?

 

Everything I've read says that both are as good as gone, which is another reason Manny wants out. Apparently he and Millar are close. Youkilis is supposed to play 1B and now Lowell will play 3B.

Edited November 22, 2005 by USSoccer

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Anyone know anything about Anibal Sanchez?

[Diffusion]

Oh boy.

 

Silly Marlins.

 

Is that Descartes quote from Meditation of First Philosophy...?

 

It is. The sabermetrics of humanity.

[goonys evil twin]

Does this move give them any offensive leverage to trade Manny? Figure Lowell is going to split time between 1B and 3B. Wouldn't he outproduce Mueller and Millar by a pretty fair margin? Does this move improve their pitching and offense to the point that Manny is a bit more expendable?

 

Not in my mind, at least as far as the offense is concerned.

 

Do you see them bringing back Mueller and Millar? I think Millar is as good as gone, and Mueller may leave as well. If they keep him, Lowell should just start at 3B.

 

You don't think the offensive lift from Mueller/Millar/Youkilis to just Youkilis and Lowell is enough for them to feel better about moving Manny and signing Giles?

 

I'm not sure Lowell is a lift from Mueller/Millar, at least not enough to offset whatever concerns they had with losing Manny. The Manny deal has to be based on who they can get for him and who they can sign for his money.

 

Lowell isn't going to offset the loss of Manny, not by a longshot.

[USSoccer]

Does this move give them any offensive leverage to trade Manny? Figure Lowell is going to split time between 1B and 3B. Wouldn't he outproduce Mueller and Millar by a pretty fair margin? Does this move improve their pitching and offense to the point that Manny is a bit more expendable?

 

Not in my mind, at least as far as the offense is concerned.

 

Do you see them bringing back Mueller and Millar? I think Millar is as good as gone, and Mueller may leave as well. If they keep him, Lowell should just start at 3B.

 

You don't think the offensive lift from Mueller/Millar/Youkilis to just Youkilis and Lowell is enough for them to feel better about moving Manny and signing Giles?

 

I'm not sure Lowell is a lift from Mueller/Millar, at least not enough to offset whatever concerns they had with losing Manny. The Manny deal has to be based on who they can get for him and who they can sign for his money.

 

Lowell isn't going to offset the loss of Manny, not by a longshot.

 

No, but the odds of him having a much better 2006 may help nudge Boston into a deal.

 

Regardless, this is still a really good move by Boston, and given what it took to make it, I'm very doubtful that Pie and Pinto wouldn't have gotten the deal done.

[nolanwood]

Great trade for Boston - I wonder if Hendry even through them an offer? You'd think that offer could be beat.... Hanley's #'s weren't THAT special in 05 @ Portland. You'd think they could've gotten more for Beckett and Lowell - and to top it off they through in some cash too!

[Proven Veteran]

Great trade for Boston - I wonder if Hendry even through them an offer? You'd think that offer could be beat.... Hanley's #'s weren't THAT special in 05 @ Portland. You'd think they could've gotten more for Beckett and Lowell - and to top it off they through in some cash too!

 

THAT special? They weren't even good. His numbers were much worse than Cedeno's and they are the same age.

[nolanwood]

Great trade for Boston - I wonder if Hendry even through them an offer? You'd think that offer could be beat.... Hanley's #'s weren't THAT special in 05 @ Portland. You'd think they could've gotten more for Beckett and Lowell - and to top it off they through in some cash too!

 

THAT special? They weren't even good. His numbers were much worse than Cedeno's and they are the same age.

 

I was being polite :) Like I said, what a great deal for Boston - the Marlins got raped on that one, imo.

[badger1679666666]

Maybe Hendry isn't the WORST GM in the Majors. :lol:

[Jehrico]

Does anyone else think FLA jumped the gun by not seeing how many offers they could round up before the winter meetings? I'm still amazed they jumped that quickly on that offer, which wasn't that great of an offer.

[USSoccer]

Does anyone else think FLA jumped the gun by not seeing how many offers they could round up before the winter meetings? I'm still amazed they jumped that quickly on that offer, which wasn't that great of an offer.

 

I am. Florida would have been able to get a much stronger offer had they just waited until maybe a couple of teams got desperate at the Meetings. As it is, they ended up with a really promising P prospect, and a guy who has some of the luster off of him.

[erik316wttn]

2 things...

 

1) Does this affect us getting Burnett at all? Are we still in that running?

 

2) How do the Yankees counter?

[Tedward]

I was being polite :) Like I said, what a great deal for Boston - the Marlins got raped on that one, imo.

 

You think so, eh? Yeah, it is a good deal for Boston, but it's a good deal for Florida as well. Behind Lester, Sanchez could arguably be BOS's best pitching prospect.

 

I was able to watch Annibel Sanchez this year in Wilmington. If he stays healthy, he has a chance to be special. You may be contracting that statement in a couple of years. His fastball has a lot of movement, and he locates it pretty well. He's got a nice curve as well and a developing change-up.

[USSoccer]

I was being polite :) Like I said, what a great deal for Boston - the Marlins got raped on that one, imo.

 

You think so, eh? Yeah, it is a good deal for Boston, but it's a good deal for Florida as well. Behind Lester, Sanchez could arguably be BOS's best pitching prospect.

 

I was able to watch Annibel Sanchez this year in Wilmington. If he stays healthy, he has a chance to be special. You may be contracting that statement in a couple of years. His fastball has a lot of movement, and he locates it pretty well. He's got a nice curve as well and a developing change-up.

 

Yeah, but health is always a big if with P prospects. Plus, it's not as if Ramirez is a can't miss guy. They might end up with nothing for Beckett in a worst case scenario.

[Tedward]

Yeah, but health is always a big if with P prospects. Plus, it's not as if Ramirez is a can't miss guy. They might end up with nothing for Beckett in a worst case scenario.

 

Beinfest is a shrewd GM. He plucked Willis away from us. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt on this deal. Sanchez is going to be good. Beckett's amazing, but he hasn't been injury free himself either.

[Outshined_One]

Anyone know anything about Anibal Sanchez?

 

Ranked behind Papelbon and Lester on the prospect chart. 21 year old RHP. Fastball sits in the low to mid 90s. Changeup is a plus pitch. Hittable curve and a cutter that resembles a slider are included in the package. Aggressive in his approach.

 

Main issues are commad and endurance over a season. Occasionally flattens his stuff out and misses up in the zone.

 

He could potentially be a front of the rotation guy and had a good showing in AA, but he'll need some more time in the minors to cut down on the homers and tighten up his curve.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Are they going to stick Ramirez at SS right away? This isn't a terrible deal for the Fish. Beckett still hasn't been injury free for a season, and IMO there's a good shot that Ramirez winds up a better player for his position than Lowell, maybe even as soon as next year. Sanchez looks solid too.

[nolanwood]

In regards to Willis, he was plucked away from the Cubs after barely seeing a tasted of minor action and didnt have stellar #'s. He really came into his own with the fish minor league system, posting SICK #'s for them before being brought up.

 

Anibal appears to have quality stuff - but he falls in that "grey" category of pitchers with alot of potential that have yet to truly shine in the minors, AND has a history of nerve problems in his throwing arm.

 

Either way, I think the fish could've held out for the same quality of prospects AND some major league proven talent. Hell, they probably could've saved some of that Lowell cash too!

 

On the flipside, I can easily see both Sanchez and Ramirez being studs in 5 years as well.....