Beckett/Lowell for Blalock?

[wilk]

"According to the Palm Beach Post, the Marlins are close to a trade that would send Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell to the Rangers for Hank Blalock and a pitching prospect.

The Marlins are asking for either John Danks or Thomas Diamond, the Rangers' top two pitching prospects. Unless they back down from that, the deal may yet fall apart. Unless the Marlins are paying a portion of what Lowell is owned, Blalock alone should be enough to get a deal done. Beckett may be worth Blalock, but at $18 million over the next two years, Lowell has negative trade value. Blalock will make $13.5 million over the next three years. Nov. 19 - 2:22 am et

Source: Palm Beach Post"

 

This doesn't seem like a very smart trade. And if Florida moves that Lowell contract, does it hurt our chances at Pierre? Hm.

[imb]

wow, could the fish stand to lose burnett and beckett? for blalock, who struggled in a good hitters park last year?

[Outshined_One]

For those of you curious, it's from Rotoworld.

 

This strikes me as rather stupid. It would make more sense if the Marlins pick up some of Lowell's contract and the Rangers flip him to another team, but Texas doesn't have anyone in their system who can immediately come in and play 3B. I guess they could do something with Arias, but he profiles much better as a SS, especially from an offensive standpoint. Moving Michael Young to 3B wouldn't be bright, either.

 

I'm curious as to what the specifics of this deal end up looking like if it goes through...

[don_kessinger_was_good]

FWIW, Lowell can play some 2B and 1B. What if we sent Patterson, Cedeno, Williams and Hill to the Marlins for Beckett, Pierre and Lowell, and the Marlins pick up half of Lowell's contract? Cedeno becomes their new SS, Williams and Hill replace Beckett and Burnett in their rotation at the ML minimum, and Patterson would be their 4th OF, playing behind Hermida. And, they clear out a good $13MM in payroll.

 

We, OTOH, get the extra starting pitcher Hendry wants; a new CF and leadoff man; and Lowell can platoon with Neifi at 2B.

 

My package sounds a lot better than Texas', so why not? And we could always flip Lowell elsewhere if desired.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

FWIW, Lowell can play some 2B and 1B. What if we sent Patterson, Cedeno, Williams and Hill to the Marlins for Beckett, Pierre and Lowell, and the Marlins pick up half of Lowell's contract? Cedeno becomes their new SS, Williams and Hill replace Beckett and Burnett in their rotation at the ML minimum, and Patterson would be their 4th OF, playing behind Hermida. And, they clear out a good $13MM in payroll.

 

We, OTOH, get the extra starting pitcher Hendry wants; a new CF and leadoff man; and Lowell can platoon with Neifi at 2B.

 

My package sounds a lot better than Texas', so why not? And we could always flip Lowell elsewhere if desired.

 

They wouldn't do that deal for Beckett, Pierre, Lowell and cash.

 

The reason they want to move Lowell is cash. They're cutting payroll.

 

Flip Lowell where? It's not an easy thing to do. Florida is trying and no one wants just him. He has zero to negative trade value.

 

I can't imagine getting Lowell and Beckett for the players you mentioned, much less Pierre and some cash.

 

Patterson, Cedeno, Hill, and Williams have much less value collectively than Blalock and a top pitching prospect do.

[E.J.]

Looks like the firesale is starting in Florida. You can get your players at a discount of prospects as long as you're willing to pay contracts. I wonder if Girardi knew what he was getting into when he signed on as the new manager.

[RockTheIvy]

Looks like the firesale is starting in Florida. You can get your players at a discount of prospects as long as you're willing to pay contracts. I wonder if Girardi knew what he was getting into when he signed on as the new manager.

 

Luis Castillo then, Please.

 

Castillo

Murton

Lee

Giles/Abreu etc

Aram

Bradley

Barrett

Cedeno

 

Hello division title.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Looks like the firesale is starting in Florida. You can get your players at a discount of prospects as long as you're willing to pay contracts. I wonder if Girardi knew what he was getting into when he signed on as the new manager.

 

Luis Castillo then, Please.

 

Castillo

Murton

Lee

Giles/Abreu etc

Aram

Bradley

Barrett

Cedeno

 

Hello division title.

 

Not with a Prior/Z/Maddux/Rusch/Hill rotation. I do like your lineup though. :)

 

I really like Castillo. He's not much of a SB threat anymore, but his OBP and glove are solid.

[RockTheIvy]

Looks like the firesale is starting in Florida. You can get your players at a discount of prospects as long as you're willing to pay contracts. I wonder if Girardi knew what he was getting into when he signed on as the new manager.

 

Luis Castillo then, Please.

 

Castillo

Murton

Lee

Giles/Abreu etc

Aram

Bradley

Barrett

Cedeno

 

Hello division title.

 

Not with a Prior/Z/Maddux/Rusch/Hill rotation. I do like your lineup though. :)

 

I really like Castillo. He's not much of a SB threat anymore, but his OBP and glove are solid.

 

Meat I think we see eye-to-eye a lot on these matters. Ever look at the fact that he walks twice as many times as he Ks? He's making Tony Gwynn jealous. :lol:

 

I think he is the most logical choice, even for JIMBO, because he provides excellent defense, speed and *cough* OBP.

[HoopsCubs]

Can Blalock play 2B? I mean, in Cub ease, can he catch the ball at 2B?

 

I think I read something in the Palm Beach Post, which suggested that even if the Marlins acquire Blalock for Lowell and Beckett, they could trade him.

[Schwarber Fan]

Can Blalock play 2B? I mean, in Cub ease, can he catch the ball at 2B?

 

He has played 4 career games at 2B with 1 error

 

Baseball Reference

[abuck1220]

that would not be good for my fantasy team.

[TB_11]

Can Blalock play 2B? I mean, in Cub ease, can he catch the ball at 2B?

 

I think I read something in the Palm Beach Post, which suggested that even if the Marlins acquire Blalock for Lowell and Beckett, they could trade him.

 

I'm not sure Blaylock is marginally better with the bat than Walker.

 

His OPS away from Arlington over the past three years has been: .736 .783, .611 ( :shock: ) . His OPS+ during that time has been 118, 111, 94 while Walker's has been 95, 105, 115.

 

From what I've heard his defense is average, which would be an upgrade from Walker.

[rawaction]

I think this is a decent deal on both sides. Lowell could probably get at least close to his career line of .340/.460 playing in Arlington. And Beckett is worth the risk to anchor the rotation of a team that's pretty close to competing seriously.

 

For the Marlins they get a young 3B who's probably not as bad as he was in 05, and they get a young pitcher who could flourish in that park, under their control for 6 years.

[E.J.]

Any way the Cubs are the secret team???

 

Link

 

At least six teams are interested in Beckett, but the Rangers are one of four teams in serious pursuit of him, the source said, adding that there is another team that has presented Florida with a more attractive proposal than the one presented by Texas.

 

The source would not identify that team, only to characterize the Rangers as being second in the pack. One of the teams pursuing Beckett is the Boston Red Sox. The Detroit Tigers are thought to be another team in the Beckett hunt.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

If Blalock--he of the 749 OPS--and Denks is sufficient to get Beckett and Lowell, then I fail to see how Corey Patterson, Felix Pie and Rich Hill is not a superior combination for Beckett, Lowell and Pierre. Pie covers a position for Florida they need more compared to Blalock (they want to move Cabrera back to 3B), Hill is ready now (as opposed to Denks in AA), and they get a free option on Patterson ever turning it around.

 

I would hate to lose Pie, but to get a pitcher like Beckett, it's worth it.

[JeffH]

The Cubs have no outfield and the main issue surrounding the starting rotation is health, and we want to trade Felix Pie for Josh Beckett?

 

:roll:

[Balsa]

According to the St. Paul Pioneer Press the Twins are trying to get Lowell from the Fish.

[E.J.]

Once again, it looks like there are some unnamed teams that are trying to outbid the Rangers and BoSox for Beckett. I wonder which teams they are.

 

Link

 

Still, ''there's probably better stuff coming [for the Marlins],'' said one league source, adding that at least two teams -- one in the National League and the other in the American -- have indicated they could be willing to give up more than the Rangers.

 

The Boston Red Sox and Detroit Tigers have also shown interest in Beckett, who won 15 games last season for the Marlins and was the MVP of the 2003 World Series.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

the Marlins should make quite a haul off Beckett.

[Wheelimus]

I'd think Patterson and Hill would be about a wash for Blalock and whatever pitcher the Rangers could give. I'd give those two up for Beckett, assuming we can deal Lowell afterwards.

[MPrior]

According to the St. Paul Pioneer Press the Twins are trying to get Lowell from the Fish.

 

I wonder if we could do something where we hand a couple decent people to the Marlins (Wheelimus suggested Patterson and Hill; I think it might take more, but keep reading), send Lowell to the Twins but eat half his contract, and see if the Twins will send a good, near-ML ready prospect to the Marlins. This way, the Marlins get Lowell without the ridiculous salary, the Cubs get Beckett without giving up too much prospect-wise, and the Marlins get a decent haul of young talent between the Cubs' and Twins' offers.

 

I like it. The trouble is you'd basically have to be willing to pay 4.5 Mill to Lowell for each of the next two years. But considering that Beckett's salary, even after arbitration, won't be too bad, I'd do it.

[LoneStarCubFan]

Heck I think dealing for Beckett and Lowell would be great for no other reason than Lowell could back up both ARam and DLee. It would almost certainly spell the end of the Gremlin.

 

the bench would look like this:

 

Blanco

Lowell

Perez/Cedeno

Hairston

Back-up OF

Back-up IF/PH

[E.J.]

Heck I think dealing for Beckett and Lowell would be great for no other reason than Lowell could back up both ARam and DLee. It would almost certainly spell the end of the Gremlin.

 

the bench would look like this:

 

Blanco

Lowell

Perez/Cedeno

Hairston

Back-up OF

Back-up IF/PH

 

That is one extremely expensive backup. :x

[Tim]

I wonder if the Twins could be convined to deal Francisco Liriano if we picked up something like 80% of Lowell's contract. So the deals would go down something like this...

 

Deal 1:

 

Cubs send:

 

- Felix Pie

- Rich Hill

- Jerome Williams

 

Florida sends:

 

- Josh Beckett

- Mike Lowell

 

 

Deal 2:

 

Cubs send:

 

- Mike Lowell

- Big pile o' cash

 

Minnesota sends:

 

- Fransisco Liriano

 

 

The Cubs effectively trade Pie, Hill & Williams + cash for Beckett + Liriano. We'd have to put Liriano in the pen for a year until Maddux is gone, but he'd be a heck of a 6th guy to have available in case Wood isn't ready.