Bruce Levine Reports on Hendry's Other Targets 11/11/05

[CuseCubFan69]

I might stop watching the Cubs if they trade Prior.

 

Imagine how many posters that would have to change their names?

[WrigleyField 22]

I might stop watching the Cubs if they trade Prior.

 

Imagine how many posters that would have to change their names?

 

Well I wouldn't have to change my name, but the 22 is in reference to Prior.

I'm sure I'm the minority here, but I think despite Prior's struggles, he is still better than Zambrano.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I might stop watching the Cubs if they trade Prior.

 

Imagine how many posters that would have to change their names?

 

Well I wouldn't have to change my name, but the 22 is in reference to Prior.

I'm sure I'm the minority here, but I think despite Prior's struggles, he is still better than Zambrano.

 

IMO, Prior with all his struggles is slightly worse than Z. When he's healthy he is flat out filthy and another level above Z. I'm very optimistic about his 2006 season (Z's as well).

[Outshined_One]

I never got the rumors that the Reds were looking into trading Adam Dunn.

 

Seriously, looking at their team, you'd think he would be the last guy they would want to trade. Now, I grant you, he is due for a big raise, but he's worth every penny, imo. He's the kind of guy that you build your offense around for years and year to come.

 

They also have Sean Casey and Junior Griffey on the books. They'd be so much better served trading both of them. Heck, if you even move just Casey, you can stick Kearns and Pena at the corners, then move Dunn to 1B where he could at least make use of his freakish height.

 

I'd kill to have him on this team, but it makes no sense that the Reds would want to trade him, much less within their own division.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I never got the rumors that the Reds were looking into trading Adam Dunn.

 

Seriously, looking at their team, you'd think he would be the last guy they would want to trade. Now, I grant you, he is due for a big raise, but he's worth every penny, imo. He's the kind of guy that you build your offense around for years and year to come.

 

They also have Sean Casey and Junior Griffey on the books. They'd be so much better served trading both of them. Heck, if you even move just Casey, you can stick Kearns and Pena at the corners, then move Dunn to 1B where he could at least make use of his freakish height.

 

I'd kill to have him on this team, but it makes no sense that the Reds would want to trade him, much less within their own division.

 

OO--It is no secret, and has been discussed in the press at length, that Dunn is unhappy in Cincinnati. He and Kearns have not had the right "organizational attitude", sound familiar? No one denies Dunn's talent and production, but given that he is a square peg in a round hole for them, and the money he is due, and the money they have tied up in Junior, Casey and Milton, he can be had.

 

Funny thing is, Casey is the guy that should go, freeing up 1B for Dunn. But Casey is Cincinnati's Jeff Bagwell, the fan base LOVES Sean Casey. And to his credit, he's hardly a bad ballplayer, he's just not worth anything near what he gets paid.

 

Anyway, on topic: in the right situation, the Reds will move Dunn or Kearns, or both. They are ready to move on, and at this point, seeing the resurgence of Milwaukee in particular, I think they are finally resigned to addressing their horrible, horrible pitching. They must recognize that moving Dunn is the quickest way to start addressing that problem.

[CuseCubFan69]

I never got the rumors that the Reds were looking into trading Adam Dunn.

 

Seriously, looking at their team, you'd think he would be the last guy they would want to trade. Now, I grant you, he is due for a big raise, but he's worth every penny, imo. He's the kind of guy that you build your offense around for years and year to come.

 

They also have Sean Casey and Junior Griffey on the books. They'd be so much better served trading both of them. Heck, if you even move just Casey, you can stick Kearns and Pena at the corners, then move Dunn to 1B where he could at least make use of his freakish height.

 

I'd kill to have him on this team, but it makes no sense that the Reds would want to trade him, much less within their own division.

 

OO--It is no secret, and has been discussed in the press at length, that Dunn is unhappy in Cincinnati. He and Kearns have not had the right "organizational attitude", sound familiar? No one denies Dunn's talent and production, but given that he is a square peg in a round hole for them, and the money he is due, and the money they have tied up in Junior, Casey and Milton, he can be had.

 

Funny thing is, Casey is the guy that should go, freeing up 1B for Dunn. But Casey is Cincinnati's Jeff Bagwell, the fan base LOVES Sean Casey. And to his credit, he's hardly a bad ballplayer, he's just not worth anything near what he gets paid.

 

Anyway, on topic: in the right situation, the Reds will move Dunn or Kearns, or both. They are ready to move on, and at this point, seeing the resurgence of Milwaukee in particular, I think they are finally resigned to addressing their horrible, horrible pitching. They must recognize that moving Dunn is the quickest way to start addressing that problem.

 

Not only their quickest but their best way to address their pitching woes.

[shnsajax]

If you can hit Furcal and Dunn 1 and 2 this team will actually score a of runs. If Furcal gets on base, Dunn will see more fastballs than he ever has in his life hitting front of Lee and Aram to of the better hitters w risp.

[Andy]

If you can hit Furcal and Dunn 1 and 2 this team will actually score a of runs. If Furcal gets on base, Dunn will see more fastballs than he ever has in his life hitting front of Lee and Aram to of the better hitters w risp.

Dusty Baker would never bat Dunn 2nd, ever. Dunn would be 4th between Lee and Ramirez because of the almighty R/L/R.

[Bluescale]

Er...why would the Reds want Pie? They already have too many outfielders. I'm sure they would demand a package starting with Hill and Williams, and then build from there.

[shnsajax]

If you can hit Furcal and Dunn 1 and 2 this team will actually score a of runs. If Furcal gets on base, Dunn will see more fastballs than he ever has in his life hitting front of Lee and Aram to of the better hitters w risp.

Dusty Baker would never bat Dunn 2nd, ever. Dunn would be 4th between Lee and Ramirez because of the almighty R/L/R.

 

Thats one of my fears. Dunn taking away rbi chances from Aram is bad. Dun creating more run scoring chances for Lee and Aram is good.

[da bears]

I was thinking about Pie and Prior for Dunn and Kearns, then sign Furcal and A J Burnett. Weakens the starting pitching, but I love the lineup. Just hope Wood is healthy if we made that deal.

 

Starting Pitchers

 

Zambrano

Burnett

Wood

Maddux

Rusch

 

Lineup

 

Furcal (ss)

Cedeno (2b)

Lee (1b)

Dunn (lf)

Ramirez (3b)

Kearns (cf)

Murton(rf)

Barrett ©

 

Don't know if Kearns can play cf or not. Either he or Murton would need to play cf.

 

Pastor Tom Spain

 

In my opinion, thank God you're not GM of the Cubs.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

If you can hit Furcal and Dunn 1 and 2 this team will actually score a of runs. If Furcal gets on base, Dunn will see more fastballs than he ever has in his life hitting front of Lee and Aram to of the better hitters w risp.

Dusty Baker would never bat Dunn 2nd, ever. Dunn would be 4th between Lee and Ramirez because of the almighty R/L/R.

 

Thats one of my fears. Dunn taking away rbi chances from Aram is bad. Dun creating more run scoring chances for Lee and Aram is good.

 

it doesn't matter who gets the RBI. what matters is maximizing the total runs scored by our lineup.

[Andy]

I was thinking about Pie and Prior for Dunn and Kearns, then sign Furcal and A J Burnett. Weakens the starting pitching, but I love the lineup. Just hope Wood is healthy if we made that deal.

 

Starting Pitchers

 

Zambrano

Burnett

Wood

Maddux

Rusch

 

Lineup

 

Furcal (ss)

Cedeno (2b)

Lee (1b)

Dunn (lf)

Ramirez (3b)

Kearns (cf)

Murton(rf)

Barrett ©

 

Don't know if Kearns can play cf or not. Either he or Murton would need to play cf.

 

Pastor Tom Spain

 

In my opinion, thank God you're not GM of the Cubs.

I wouldn't say that. That's hardly the worst lineup that the Cubs could end up with. That said I don't think the Cubs need Burnett, I don't think they want Burnett, and I hope we don't end up with Kearns and I hope Ronny doesn't end up batting 2nd.

[oldcubsfan]

There is a huge problem with Murton in right field, he has NO arm and is really not a good defensive outfielder, even in left.

[RockTheIvy]

I was thinking about Pie and Prior for Dunn and Kearns, then sign Furcal and A J Burnett. Weakens the starting pitching, but I love the lineup. Just hope Wood is healthy if we made that deal.

 

Starting Pitchers

 

Zambrano

Burnett

Wood

Maddux

Rusch

 

Lineup

 

Furcal (ss)

Cedeno (2b)

Lee (1b)

Dunn (lf)

Ramirez (3b)

Kearns (cf)

Murton(rf)

Barrett ©

 

Don't know if Kearns can play cf or not. Either he or Murton would need to play cf.

 

Pastor Tom Spain

 

In my opinion, thank God you're not GM of the Cubs.

 

I just wanted to say that ending your posts with "Pastor Tom Spain" is awesome.

[shnsajax]

If you can hit Furcal and Dunn 1 and 2 this team will actually score a of runs. If Furcal gets on base, Dunn will see more fastballs than he ever has in his life hitting front of Lee and Aram to of the better hitters w risp.

Dusty Baker would never bat Dunn 2nd, ever. Dunn would be 4th between Lee and Ramirez because of the almighty R/L/R.

 

Thats one of my fears. Dunn taking away rbi chances from Aram is bad. Dun creating more run scoring chances for Lee and Aram is good.

 

it doesn't matter who gets the RBI. what matters is maximizing the total runs scored by our lineup.

 

im fully aware of that, but plugging in Dunn at 4th he will not drive in near as many runs as Aram with runners in position. Putting Dunn on base in front of Lee and Aram create more and better chances for the two best hitters, especially if Furcal gets on base

[Geech]

im fully aware of that, but plugging in Dunn at 4th he will not drive in near as many runs as Aram with runners in position. Putting Dunn on base in front of Lee and Aram create more and better chances for the two best hitters, especially if Furcal gets on base

 

I think you're seriously overrating the effect that position in the lineup has on production in this case.

[USSoccer]

im fully aware of that, but plugging in Dunn at 4th he will not drive in near as many runs as Aram with runners in position. Putting Dunn on base in front of Lee and Aram create more and better chances for the two best hitters, especially if Furcal gets on base

 

I think you're seriously overrating the effect that position in the lineup has on production in this case.

 

No, he might have a point. Dunn's greatest asset is his OBP/plate discipline.. He's not like other players where there's a relatively decent balance between their stats. Dunn isn't so much a run producer as a run creator. I'd bat him before Lee and Ramirez, because you have a 40% chance of having Dunn on in front of guys who have a 30-35% chance of driving him in, vs having Dunn in between them or behind them.

[Geech]

Ideally I would, too, but I really don't think it will make all that much difference. I would be surprised if it even accounted for a win over the course of the season. It's not like Dunn is a bad middle of the order hitter.

[shnsajax]

Ideally I would, too, but I really don't think it will make all that much difference. I would be surprised if it even accounted for a win over the course of the season. It's not like Dunn is a bad middle of the order hitter.

 

depends on how you look at it. if Dunn doesn't walk in the 4th spot, he is a bad middle of the order hitter. Ignoring walks he is basicly a .245 hitter with runners on base. I don't want to rely on my cleanup hitter to walk to get a better run producer up to bat in the #5 spot.

 

Dunn needs to be used more for his OBP than his power. His power also overrates his productivity as a run producer. He drives in very few runs not off of a HR. Its all or nothing a lot of times with him.

[Geech]

f Dunn doesn't walk in the 4th spot, he is a bad middle of the order hitter. Ignoring walks he is basicly a .245 hitter with runners on base. I don't want to rely on my cleanup hitter to walk to get a better run producer up to bat in the #5 spot.

 

Lucky for us he does still walk in the number four spot, .374 OBP batting fourth over the past three years.

 

Dunn needs to be used more for his OBP than his power. His power also overrates his productivity as a run producer. He drives in very few runs not off of a HR. Its all or nothing a lot of times with him.

 

On this team his OBP is certainly what we're most interested in, but Dunn had 77 XBH this year and 80 the year before. Not nearly all of those were homers, so it's not like he's an all or nothing hitter.

[Andy]

f Dunn doesn't walk in the 4th spot, he is a bad middle of the order hitter. Ignoring walks he is basicly a .245 hitter with runners on base. I don't want to rely on my cleanup hitter to walk to get a better run producer up to bat in the #5 spot.

 

Lucky for us he does still walk in the number four spot, .374 OBP batting fourth over the past three years.

I think Geech was trying to say that Adam Dunn's high OBP is more likely to produce benefits when he is on base for Lee and Ramirez as opposed to being on base for Ramirez and Barrett, Ramirez and Encarnacion or what have you.

[David]

I was thinking about Pie and Prior for Dunn and Kearns, then sign Furcal and A J Burnett. Weakens the starting pitching, but I love the lineup. Just hope Wood is healthy if we made that deal.

 

Starting Pitchers

 

Zambrano

Burnett

Wood

Maddux

Rusch

 

Lineup

 

Furcal (ss)

Cedeno (2b)

Lee (1b)

Dunn (lf)

Ramirez (3b)

Kearns (cf)

Murton(rf)

Barrett ©

 

Don't know if Kearns can play cf or not. Either he or Murton would need to play cf.

 

Pastor Tom Spain

 

In my opinion, thank God you're not GM of the Cubs.

I wouldn't say that. That's hardly the worst lineup that the Cubs could end up with. That said I don't think the Cubs need Burnett, I don't think they want Burnett, and I hope we don't end up with Kearns and I hope Ronny doesn't end up batting 2nd.

 

I definitely do think Hendry is interested in Burnett, but that's totally beside the point.

 

In tspain's proposal, he traded away Prior (which is one reason I would agree strongly with da bears), so Burnett or some front line starting pitcher would definitely be needed.

[Geech]

I think Geech was trying to say that Adam Dunn's high OBP is more likely to produce benefits when he is on base for Lee and Ramirez as opposed to being on base for Ramirez and Barrett, Ramirez and Encarnacion or what have you.

 

I understand what he's saying. There's no problem there. What I'm saying is that the difference between Dunn fourth and Dunn second is probably not material over the course of the season.

 

Having Dunn in the lineup is far more important than having Dunn bat second in the lineup.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Everybody knows I am not on the "Adam Dunn" bandWGN,

 

Get it right. Its a bandWGN

 

Fixed.....

 

 

Like a White Sox game.