Marlins May Look to Package Delgado and Lowell in a Deal

[CubfaninCA]

I think LA would be the most logical team to take on those two guys at the same time. They'll have money to spend this offseason and they are not getting a whole lot of production from either position. They also have more prospects to trade than any other team except Anaheim. And I don't see Anaheim being players for those guys. I think they'll be more focused on OF or pitching.

 

Omg Choi's not producing? Have you seen his ops??? :wink: Seriously though LA makes lots of sense. However, Giles may take precedence over Delgado due to Lowell being added.

Did you have to introduce your sarcasm here? Aren't enough threads polluted with that argument already?

 

Back to the point.

 

I could see them going after Giles, but they will have money to spend on more than one position this offseason, especially if they trade Bradley. Lowell's had an enormously disappointing season. But he's not necessarily washed up. He might be worth a flier for the Dodgers while they wait for LaRoche or Guzman to take over third base.

 

Not sure why you need to pick me out here when there's so many other's who are guilty of sarcasm. Perhaps if I ripped Neifi or Baker it would be ok. *shrug*

[BigbadB]

I think LA would be the most logical team to take on those two guys at the same time. They'll have money to spend this offseason and they are not getting a whole lot of production from either position. They also have more prospects to trade than any other team except Anaheim. And I don't see Anaheim being players for those guys. I think they'll be more focused on OF or pitching.

 

Omg Choi's not producing? Have you seen his ops??? :wink: Seriously though LA makes lots of sense. However, Giles may take precedence over Delgado due to Lowell being added.

Did you have to introduce your sarcasm here? Aren't enough threads polluted with that argument already?

 

Back to the point.

 

I could see them going after Giles, but they will have money to spend on more than one position this offseason, especially if they trade Bradley. Lowell's had an enormously disappointing season. But he's not necessarily washed up. He might be worth a flier for the Dodgers while they wait for LaRoche or Guzman to take over third base.

 

Not sure why you need to pick me out here when there's so many other's who are guilty of sarcasm. Perhaps if I ripped Neifi or Baker it would be ok. *shrug*

 

Baker and Neifi are currently in season. :D

[Tim]

I think LA would be the most logical team to take on those two guys at the same time. They'll have money to spend this offseason and they are not getting a whole lot of production from either position. They also have more prospects to trade than any other team except Anaheim. And I don't see Anaheim being players for those guys. I think they'll be more focused on OF or pitching.

 

Omg Choi's not producing? Have you seen his ops??? :wink: Seriously though LA makes lots of sense. However, Giles may take precedence over Delgado due to Lowell being added.

Did you have to introduce your sarcasm here? Aren't enough threads polluted with that argument already?

 

Back to the point.

 

I could see them going after Giles, but they will have money to spend on more than one position this offseason, especially if they trade Bradley. Lowell's had an enormously disappointing season. But he's not necessarily washed up. He might be worth a flier for the Dodgers while they wait for LaRoche or Guzman to take over third base.

 

Not sure why you need to pick me out here when there's so many other's who are guilty of sarcasm. Perhaps if I ripped Neifi or Baker it would be ok. *shrug*

Well, I'd say that part of getting along in a community is knowing how a person is going to respond if you press a particular button. Mouthing off directly to me (especially when it is out of context) about my favorite players is likely to draw a response. My feeling is that you know that and decided to push that particular button anyway.

 

I guess you are free to play the martyr if you like, but when you purposefully stir up trouble, you really shouldn't act picked on if people respond.

[CubfaninCA]

I think LA would be the most logical team to take on those two guys at the same time. They'll have money to spend this offseason and they are not getting a whole lot of production from either position. They also have more prospects to trade than any other team except Anaheim. And I don't see Anaheim being players for those guys. I think they'll be more focused on OF or pitching.

 

Omg Choi's not producing? Have you seen his ops??? :wink: Seriously though LA makes lots of sense. However, Giles may take precedence over Delgado due to Lowell being added.

Did you have to introduce your sarcasm here? Aren't enough threads polluted with that argument already?

 

Back to the point.

 

I could see them going after Giles, but they will have money to spend on more than one position this offseason, especially if they trade Bradley. Lowell's had an enormously disappointing season. But he's not necessarily washed up. He might be worth a flier for the Dodgers while they wait for LaRoche or Guzman to take over third base.

 

Not sure why you need to pick me out here when there's so many other's who are guilty of sarcasm. Perhaps if I ripped Neifi or Baker it would be ok. *shrug*

Well, I'd say that part of getting along in a community is knowing how a person is going to respond if you press a particular button. Mouthing off directly to me (especially when it is out of context) about my favorite players is likely to draw a response. My feeling is that you know that and decided to push that particular button anyway.

 

I guess you are free to play the martyr if you like, but when you purposefully stir up trouble, you really shouldn't act picked on if people respond.

 

Honestly, I have no idea who your favorite players are, and am not sure why the martyr label needs to be spun again.

 

Obviously I like your board (I have quite a few post here), but it seems the way to be get along in this community and "not cause trouble" is to agree that Baker and Neif are horrible and that Cub prospects should play more. Have a contrary view and you're mocked pretty good. I don't mind the sarcasm & mockery whatsoever, but if people want to dish it out, then they should be ready to take it (aka Choi and DuBois jokes).

 

That's just my 2 cents, and I'll just quit discussing prospect flops since it hits such a nerve w/ some.

[Derwood]

To whomever suggested that the Cubs aren't "creative" enough to make a deal....

 

...does Nomar in a 4 way trade jog your memory? Especially considering Hendry engineered the whole thing?

 

That said, I don't really want either of those guys.

[ltb]

as if anybody didn't see this coming.

 

the marlins can't afford delgado's contract - when I saw what deal they gave him, I knew they'd at least try to ship him out after '05.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

To whomever suggested that the Cubs aren't "creative" enough to make a deal....

 

...does Nomar in a 4 way trade jog your memory? Especially considering Hendry engineered the whole thing?

 

That said, I don't really want either of those guys.

 

It's not that I don't think Hendry lacks the creativity to go after a player he wants, but in this case we don't need either player so I really don't see Hendry inserting himself in these talks.

[RynoRules]

Yeah, Baltimore would definitely be interested, IMO.

 

Like Vance said, the Cubs aren't creative enough to get involved. I think if Baltimore is willing to give up one of their good young pitchers (Penn or Ray), a good pos prospect and ML talent (Gibbons or Matos), they will make a deal.

 

That's a completely unfair statement in light of both the Nomar and ARam/Lofton deals.

[rawaction]

Yeah, Baltimore would definitely be interested, IMO.

 

Like Vance said, the Cubs aren't creative enough to get involved. I think if Baltimore is willing to give up one of their good young pitchers (Penn or Ray), a good pos prospect and ML talent (Gibbons or Matos), they will make a deal.

 

That's a completely unfair statement in light of both the Nomar and ARam/Lofton deals.

 

Read what Vance said in his last post. I meant that Hendry isn't creative enough to trade for 2 players he doesn't need and probably doesn't want. To be fair, not many people are. The Marlins are the only team that comes to mind that trades for players they don't intend on keeping (Piazza, Hampton). I really don't know why the Cubs were even suggested in a trade for Delgado and Lowell.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Yeah, Baltimore would definitely be interested, IMO.

 

Like Vance said, the Cubs aren't creative enough to get involved. I think if Baltimore is willing to give up one of their good young pitchers (Penn or Ray), a good pos prospect and ML talent (Gibbons or Matos), they will make a deal.

 

That's a completely unfair statement in light of both the Nomar and ARam/Lofton deals.

 

Read what Vance said in his last post. I meant that Hendry isn't creative enough to trade for 2 players he doesn't need and probably doesn't want. To be fair, not many people are. The Marlins are the only team that comes to mind that trades for players they don't intend on keeping (Piazza, Hampton). I really don't know why the Cubs were even suggested in a trade for Delgado and Lowell.

 

Exactly. I'm not doubting Hendry's creativity in working a deal to aquire a player he wants ala Nomar or Ramirez (though I hardly find anything creative in that deal). What I doubt is that Hendry would work his way into a major deal involving two players that I don't think he has any interest in acquiring. Could Hendry work his way into a follow-up deal...perhaps. But I doubt either of these two players will pass through Chicago in any type of deal. I doubt Hendry ever discusses either of these players with any GM. In fact, I'd pretty much bet on it. It's not a criticism of Hendry; it's simply a statement of fact.

[cjbucks]

I think LA would be the most logical team to take on those two guys at the same time. They'll have money to spend this offseason and they are not getting a whole lot of production from either position. They also have more prospects to trade than any other team except Anaheim. And I don't see Anaheim being players for those guys. I think they'll be more focused on OF or pitching.

 

They should consider it. That lineup looks a lot better if you replace Erstad with Delgado and move Figgins up into the leadoff spot.

 

Doesn't Figgy already bat leadoff?

[illiniguy]

I think LA would be the most logical team to take on those two guys at the same time. They'll have money to spend this offseason and they are not getting a whole lot of production from either position. They also have more prospects to trade than any other team except Anaheim. And I don't see Anaheim being players for those guys. I think they'll be more focused on OF or pitching.

 

They should consider it. That lineup looks a lot better if you replace Erstad with Delgado and move Figgins up into the leadoff spot.

 

Doesn't Figgy already bat leadoff?

We should trade them Lee so they can have their old first basemen they crave and they could give us back Morales, Wood, and Santana. :wink:

[RynoRules]

Yeah, Baltimore would definitely be interested, IMO.

 

Like Vance said, the Cubs aren't creative enough to get involved. I think if Baltimore is willing to give up one of their good young pitchers (Penn or Ray), a good pos prospect and ML talent (Gibbons or Matos), they will make a deal.

 

That's a completely unfair statement in light of both the Nomar and ARam/Lofton deals.

 

Read what Vance said in his last post. I meant that Hendry isn't creative enough to trade for 2 players he doesn't need and probably doesn't want. To be fair, not many people are. The Marlins are the only team that comes to mind that trades for players they don't intend on keeping (Piazza, Hampton). I really don't know why the Cubs were even suggested in a trade for Delgado and Lowell.

 

I think what you mean is that Hendry does not trade for guys w/ an eye towards towards flipping them to someone else shortly thereafter. OK, I get it. That said, I think that's pretty nit-picky. I mean, if you want to criticize him for fixating on trading Sosa last year and getting little in return, that's fair. But, unlike the manager, JH has had done more good than bad in the last couple of years.

[rawaction]

Yeah, Baltimore would definitely be interested, IMO.

 

Like Vance said, the Cubs aren't creative enough to get involved. I think if Baltimore is willing to give up one of their good young pitchers (Penn or Ray), a good pos prospect and ML talent (Gibbons or Matos), they will make a deal.

 

That's a completely unfair statement in light of both the Nomar and ARam/Lofton deals.

 

Read what Vance said in his last post. I meant that Hendry isn't creative enough to trade for 2 players he doesn't need and probably doesn't want. To be fair, not many people are. The Marlins are the only team that comes to mind that trades for players they don't intend on keeping (Piazza, Hampton). I really don't know why the Cubs were even suggested in a trade for Delgado and Lowell.

 

I think what you mean is that Hendry does not trade for guys w/ an eye towards towards flipping them to someone else shortly thereafter. OK, I get it. That said, I think that's pretty nit-picky. I mean, if you want to criticize him for fixating on trading Sosa last year and getting little in return, that's fair. But, unlike the manager, JH has had done more good than bad in the last couple of years.

 

So, you bolded the "to be fair, not many people are", but still ignored it? I don't think what I said was criticism originally. It wasn't meant that way.

[erik316wttn]

What about moving one to left field?

 

(ducks flying objects)

[AAApittsburgh]

What about moving one to left field?

 

(ducks flying objects)

Lowell to LF maybe.

 

Delgado in LF. :shock:

[erik316wttn]

What about moving one to left field?

 

(ducks flying objects)

Lowell to LF maybe.

 

Delgado in LF. :shock:

 

Yeah, I thought Lowell would be the most likely candidate. And if we got them, we coud turn around and swing Delgado somewhere for prospects or bullpen help.

 

Are the Marlins looking to deal both in a single deal, or will they take seperate deals?

[fromthestretch]

I think LA would be the most logical team to take on those two guys at the same time. They'll have money to spend this offseason and they are not getting a whole lot of production from either position. They also have more prospects to trade than any other team except Anaheim. And I don't see Anaheim being players for those guys. I think they'll be more focused on OF or pitching.

 

They should consider it. That lineup looks a lot better if you replace Erstad with Delgado and move Figgins up into the leadoff spot.

 

Doesn't Figgy already bat leadoff?

 

Just looked it up, and I stand corrected. I thought Erstad had led off more often, but it appears that Figgins has nearly 500 at-bats from the leadoff spot.

 

Erstad has 138 at-bats as a leadoff hitter, which is about 138 too many.

[Tim]

I think Delgado would significantly outpace Lowell in a footrace. I can't see either one in LF.

 

I'm not sure why Derrek couldn't play out there, but perhaps his reads & jumps would be atrocious. Otherwise, he's got the speed & arm required.

[goonys evil twin]

But, unlike the manager, JH has had done more good than bad in the last couple of years.

 

I'm not sure what kind of support you could possibly have for such a statement. The team went from 88 to 89 to desperate for 80 wins. I don't know how a GM can do more good than bad and have his team get worse.

[Tim]

But, unlike the manager, JH has had done more good than bad in the last couple of years.

 

I'm not sure what kind of support you could possibly have for such a statement. The team went from 88 to 89 to desperate for 80 wins. I don't know how a GM can do more good than bad and have his team get worse.

If I look at the structure of the team today and compare it to the structure of the team at the beginning of 2003, I'd say he's improved the overall talent level and condition of the team (including age of core, etc.).

[goonys evil twin]

But, unlike the manager, JH has had done more good than bad in the last couple of years.

 

I'm not sure what kind of support you could possibly have for such a statement. The team went from 88 to 89 to desperate for 80 wins. I don't know how a GM can do more good than bad and have his team get worse.

If I look at the structure of the team today and compare it to the structure of the team at the beginning of 2003, I'd say he's improved the overall talent level and condition of the team (including age of core, etc.).

 

Talent is worthless without production.

 

The team has gotten worse under his watch.

[Tim]

But, unlike the manager, JH has had done more good than bad in the last couple of years.

 

I'm not sure what kind of support you could possibly have for such a statement. The team went from 88 to 89 to desperate for 80 wins. I don't know how a GM can do more good than bad and have his team get worse.

If I look at the structure of the team today and compare it to the structure of the team at the beginning of 2003, I'd say he's improved the overall talent level and condition of the team (including age of core, etc.).

 

Talent is worthless without production.

 

The team has gotten worse under his watch.

But Hendry didn't take over an 88 win team. He inherited a 67 win team at the end of 2002, didn't he?

 

80 is still greater than 67, isn't it?

[erik316wttn]

But, unlike the manager, JH has had done more good than bad in the last couple of years.

 

I'm not sure what kind of support you could possibly have for such a statement. The team went from 88 to 89 to desperate for 80 wins. I don't know how a GM can do more good than bad and have his team get worse.

If I look at the structure of the team today and compare it to the structure of the team at the beginning of 2003, I'd say he's improved the overall talent level and condition of the team (including age of core, etc.).

 

Talent is worthless without production.

 

The team has gotten worse under his watch.

But Hendry didn't take over an 88 win team. He inherited a 67 win team at the end of 2002, didn't he?

 

80 is still greater than 67, isn't it?

 

Yes, however it's less than 89. The team keeps getting worse under Hendry's watch, and yet he seems reluctant or just plain unwilling to do anything to fix it.

[Tim]

But, unlike the manager, JH has had done more good than bad in the last couple of years.

 

I'm not sure what kind of support you could possibly have for such a statement. The team went from 88 to 89 to desperate for 80 wins. I don't know how a GM can do more good than bad and have his team get worse.

If I look at the structure of the team today and compare it to the structure of the team at the beginning of 2003, I'd say he's improved the overall talent level and condition of the team (including age of core, etc.).

 

Talent is worthless without production.

 

The team has gotten worse under his watch.

But Hendry didn't take over an 88 win team. He inherited a 67 win team at the end of 2002, didn't he?

 

80 is still greater than 67, isn't it?

 

Yes, however it's less than 89. The team keeps getting worse under Hendry's watch, and yet he seems reluctant or just plain unwilling to do anything to fix it.

They must have changed math since I went to school.

 

67 - 88 - 89 - ~79 == "keeps getting worse"? I count two increases in record and one decrease. How is that, "keeps getting worse"? Hyperbole is not your friend when putting together a convincing argument.