Marlins May Look to Package Delgado and Lowell in a Deal

[HoopsCubs]

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/baseball/12708452.htm

 

Remember the Burnett and Lowell rumours in the summer - Baltimore, Boston and the White Sox were somewhat interested? Well, this looks like a similar attempt by the Marlins purely for financial reasons.

 

Could you see the Yankees taking on both and then flipping Lowell over to the Dodgers? Could you see Boston doing the same thing or perhaps keeping both players, and moving Youkilis? Could the Cubs get involved and flip Lowell and Derrek Lee to somebody?

 

A lot of analysts have been predicting that this offseason is going to have some blockbuster trades: Manny, Griffey, Soriano, etc... well, Delgado would be another big name.

 

Is that stove burning yet?

 

Hoops

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I could see Baltimore getting involved and keeping both players. Houston might also have an interest using Ensberg as part of the deal back to Florida.

 

I don't see the Cubs getting involved. It would take a great deal of creativity to make a deal work for us and third and first are the two positions I think the Cubs are most happy with the players that are there.

[Wheelimus]

I could see the Cubs getting involved, but not keeping either player (unless Delgado is willing to play left field), more likely a middleman team shipping out the prospects needed and getting a nice return.

[HoopsCubs]

I could see Baltimore getting involved and keeping both players. Houston might also have an interest using Ensberg as part of the deal back to Florida.

 

I don't see the Cubs getting involved. It would take a great deal of creativity to make a deal work for us and third and first are the two positions I think the Cubs are most happy with the players that are there.

 

O's could be a partner for Florida - that's a good call on your part.

 

Houston - I don't know. From my calculations, they have $63M committed to just 4 players next year: $20.0M to Bagwell, $17.5M to Pettitte, $14.5M to Berkman and $11.0M to Oswalt. Their total payroll in 2005 was $77M. Assuming McLane raises it to $85M - that still only leaves them $22M for 21 players. And Delgado or a re-signed Clemens would eat most of that, and Lidge and Ensberg are arbitration eligible. Unless the owner is planning on a huge expansion in payroll or they have plans to dump Bagwell or Pettitte, I don't see how Houston could be active in the offseason. Of course, they lost Kent and Beltran, and still look playoff bound, so who am I to criticize them.

 

Hoops

[Wheelimus]

Hmm, while I realize that being "in division" is a deal killer, what about the Cubs getting in a deal between the Marlins & Mets?

 

Just off of the top of my head

 

Cubs get - Carlos Beltran and Lowell

Mets get - Corey Patterson and Delgado

Marlins get - Murton, Mitre, and a whole bunch more.

 

Obviously what the Cubs give up on the above would be more and maybe the players would be different, but anyway, you get the point. Mets pick up a good chunk of Beltran's salary I suppose.

 

Seems like something that might work out, Mets get out from under the worst contract anyone's ever given :lol: , they get a power threat like Delgado. Can move Cameron back to center. Diaz & Floyd on the corners should be more than enough.

 

In this scenario we take Lowell as an extremely high priced reserve (could he play outfield at all in case of injury?).

[rawaction]

Yeah, Baltimore would definitely be interested, IMO.

 

Like Vance said, the Cubs aren't creative enough to get involved. I think if Baltimore is willing to give up one of their good young pitchers (Penn or Ray), a good pos prospect and ML talent (Gibbons or Matos), they will make a deal.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Why do teams like the Marlins sign players like Delgado and then turn around and try to trade the player the next year? I don't understand.

[Tedward]

Why do teams like the Marlins sign players like Delgado and then turn around and try to trade the player the next year? I don't understand.

 

His contract is heavily backloaded. It might be too expensive for the Marlins.

[Tedward]

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/baseball/12708452.htm

 

Remember the Burnett and Lowell rumours in the summer - Baltimore, Boston and the White Sox were somewhat interested? Well, this looks like a similar attempt by the Marlins purely for financial reasons.

 

Could you see the Yankees taking on both and then flipping Lowell over to the Dodgers? Could you see Boston doing the same thing or perhaps keeping both players, and moving Youkilis? Could the Cubs get involved and flip Lowell and Derrek Lee to somebody?

 

A lot of analysts have been predicting that this offseason is going to have some blockbuster trades: Manny, Griffey, Soriano, etc... well, Delgado would be another big name.

 

Is that stove burning yet?

 

Hoops

 

With Ryan Howard emerging in PHL, I have to think that the Phils are going to be desperate to unload Thome this offseason. The Phils will be willing to pick up some of the contract.

 

Whaddya think of the Cubs making a play for Thome (but them insisting on Abreu be in the deal) picking up more of the $ on Thome's contract, and then the Phils flipping Lee to a third team for a #1 starter?

Edited September 22, 2005 by Tedward

[CubfaninCA]

I can see the Muts being all over Delgado, as they lost him to Fla last year. Perhaps a 4 way blockbuster w/ the Cubs, Boston, NY & Fla where the Cubs get Floyd. Go to work guys. :wink:

 

 

Ok won't happen. :o

[Mark Priors Calves]

Why do teams like the Marlins sign players like Delgado and then turn around and try to trade the player the next year? I don't understand.

 

His contract is heavily backloaded. It might be too expensive for the Marlins.

 

Fair enough but why sign him to a backloaded contract in the first place? I'd like to think that most teams have the foresight to estimate their payroll situation one year down the road.

[Tedward]

Why do teams like the Marlins sign players like Delgado and then turn around and try to trade the player the next year? I don't understand.

 

His contract is heavily backloaded. It might be too expensive for the Marlins.

 

Fair enough but why sign him to a backloaded contract in the first place? I'd like to think that most teams have the foresight to estimate their payroll situation one year down the road.

 

Not totally sure, but wasn't their new stadium still up in the air when they signed him? I believe the low base salary in the first year, might have given them an out if the stadium deal fell through.

[TheDude]

I don't see the Cubs getting in on any of the major blockbusters that could take place.

 

The AL and NL east will drive pretty much all of the major blockbusters.

 

Baltimore trying to snag both Delgado and Lowell makes a lot of sense. They could then try to move Lowell/Gibbons/Mora/other for a pitcher. I also see them signing Burnett.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I could see Baltimore getting involved and keeping both players. Houston might also have an interest using Ensberg as part of the deal back to Florida.

 

I don't see the Cubs getting involved. It would take a great deal of creativity to make a deal work for us and third and first are the two positions I think the Cubs are most happy with the players that are there.

 

O's could be a partner for Florida - that's a good call on your part.

 

Houston - I don't know. From my calculations, they have $63M committed to just 4 players next year: $20.0M to Bagwell, $17.5M to Pettitte, $14.5M to Berkman and $11.0M to Oswalt. Their total payroll in 2005 was $77M. Assuming McLane raises it to $85M - that still only leaves them $22M for 21 players. And Delgado or a re-signed Clemens would eat most of that, and Lidge and Ensberg are arbitration eligible. Unless the owner is planning on a huge expansion in payroll or they have plans to dump Bagwell or Pettitte, I don't see how Houston could be active in the offseason. Of course, they lost Kent and Beltran, and still look playoff bound, so who am I to criticize them.

 

Hoops

 

Houston likely will buy out Bagwell for 11 million, and save themselves some of that contract. You're right that finances could be a problem with Houston making any major acquisitons, but I could see them having some interest in the duo.

 

Also, would Anaheim or L.A. have any interest in these two? Those two teams would pose an interesting propositon.

 

With Kornerko likely to leave via free agency, could the White Sox get into the fray.

 

There's enough other teams with interest that I just don't see the Cubs becoming involved unless its part of a follow-up deal.

[CuseCubFan69]

Hendry will wait for the fallout of all the trades and free agent signings and then do something. If LA/Mets/Boston end up with too many OF's or whatever then and only then will Hendry look into a deal. Alou and Maddux were signed after every other team picked over all he players they wanted. Lee was aquired only after the O's and Marlins deal fell apart. He just looks at the scraps and sees what he likes and if likes the player he'll try to make a deal.

[biittner77]

Brian Roberts is going to have surgery on his injured shoulder and will be out 6 months meaning that he will miss the beginning of next season. This might be a way for the Cubs to get involved in a deal that the O's are involved in by sending either Walker or Hairston to Baltimore.

 

Like many people, I'd rather keep Walker. The O's likely value Hairston more than any other team would (or should). While the fact that they traded him might seem to contradict that notion, the O's have a habit of trading players and then getting them back the next season.

[Backtobanks]

Hmm, while I realize that being "in division" is a deal killer, what about the Cubs getting in a deal between the Marlins & Mets?

 

Just off of the top of my head

 

Cubs get - Carlos Beltran and Lowell

Mets get - Corey Patterson and Delgado

Marlins get - Murton, Mitre, and a whole bunch more.

 

Obviously what the Cubs give up on the above would be more and maybe the players would be different, but anyway, you get the point. Mets pick up a good chunk of Beltran's salary I suppose.

 

Seems like something that might work out, Mets get out from under the worst contract anyone's ever given :lol: , they get a power threat like Delgado. Can move Cameron back to center. Diaz & Floyd on the corners should be more than enough.

 

In this scenario we take Lowell as an extremely high priced reserve (could he play outfield at all in case of injury?).

 

The Mets and Marlins had better be picking up a ton of salary for Beltran and Lowell in that deal. We would get a very talented OF with an over-the-hill sub and take on 2 horrible contracts.

[Backtobanks]

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/baseball/12708452.htm

 

Remember the Burnett and Lowell rumours in the summer - Baltimore, Boston and the White Sox were somewhat interested? Well, this looks like a similar attempt by the Marlins purely for financial reasons.

 

Could you see the Yankees taking on both and then flipping Lowell over to the Dodgers? Could you see Boston doing the same thing or perhaps keeping both players, and moving Youkilis? Could the Cubs get involved and flip Lowell and Derrek Lee to somebody?

 

A lot of analysts have been predicting that this offseason is going to have some blockbuster trades: Manny, Griffey, Soriano, etc... well, Delgado would be another big name.

 

Is that stove burning yet?

 

Hoops

 

With Ryan Howard emerging in PHL, I have to think that the Phils are going to be desperate to unload Thome this offseason. The Phils will be willing to pick up some of the contract.

 

Whaddya think of the Cubs making a play for Thome (but them insisting on Abreu be in the deal) picking up more of the $ on Thome's contract, and then the Phils flipping Lee to a third team for a #1 starter?

 

To get Abreu, you would have to offer Prior or Zambrano.

[HoopsCubs]

Brian Roberts is going to have surgery on his injured shoulder and will be out 6 months meaning that he will miss the beginning of next season. This might be a way for the Cubs to get involved in a deal that the O's are involved in by sending either Walker or Hairston to Baltimore.

 

Like many people, I'd rather keep Walker. The O's likely value Hairston more than any other team would (or should). While the fact that they traded him might seem to contradict that notion, the O's have a habit of trading players and then getting them back the next season.

 

What would we get back if we traded Walker or Hairston?

[Mark Priors Calves]

Why do teams like the Marlins sign players like Delgado and then turn around and try to trade the player the next year? I don't understand.

 

His contract is heavily backloaded. It might be too expensive for the Marlins.

 

Fair enough but why sign him to a backloaded contract in the first place? I'd like to think that most teams have the foresight to estimate their payroll situation one year down the road.

 

Not totally sure, but wasn't their new stadium still up in the air when they signed him? I believe the low base salary in the first year, might have given them an out if the stadium deal fell through.

 

Ah, thanks. At least that makes some sense. I'm sure they were pushing for the new stadium last spring but I'm not sure how the out clause works.

[Tim]

I think LA would be the most logical team to take on those two guys at the same time. They'll have money to spend this offseason and they are not getting a whole lot of production from either position. They also have more prospects to trade than any other team except Anaheim. And I don't see Anaheim being players for those guys. I think they'll be more focused on OF or pitching.

[CubfaninCA]

I think LA would be the most logical team to take on those two guys at the same time. They'll have money to spend this offseason and they are not getting a whole lot of production from either position. They also have more prospects to trade than any other team except Anaheim. And I don't see Anaheim being players for those guys. I think they'll be more focused on OF or pitching.

 

Omg Choi's not producing? Have you seen his ops??? :wink: Seriously though LA makes lots of sense. However, Giles may take precedence over Delgado due to Lowell being added.

[Tim]

I think LA would be the most logical team to take on those two guys at the same time. They'll have money to spend this offseason and they are not getting a whole lot of production from either position. They also have more prospects to trade than any other team except Anaheim. And I don't see Anaheim being players for those guys. I think they'll be more focused on OF or pitching.

 

Omg Choi's not producing? Have you seen his ops??? :wink: Seriously though LA makes lots of sense. However, Giles may take precedence over Delgado due to Lowell being added.

Did you have to introduce your sarcasm here? Aren't enough threads polluted with that argument already?

 

Back to the point.

 

I could see them going after Giles, but they will have money to spend on more than one position this offseason, especially if they trade Bradley. Lowell's had an enormously disappointing season. But he's not necessarily washed up. He might be worth a flier for the Dodgers while they wait for LaRoche or Guzman to take over third base.

[fromthestretch]

I think LA would be the most logical team to take on those two guys at the same time. They'll have money to spend this offseason and they are not getting a whole lot of production from either position. They also have more prospects to trade than any other team except Anaheim. And I don't see Anaheim being players for those guys. I think they'll be more focused on OF or pitching.

 

They should consider it. That lineup looks a lot better if you replace Erstad with Delgado and move Figgins up into the leadoff spot.

[Tim]

I think LA would be the most logical team to take on those two guys at the same time. They'll have money to spend this offseason and they are not getting a whole lot of production from either position. They also have more prospects to trade than any other team except Anaheim. And I don't see Anaheim being players for those guys. I think they'll be more focused on OF or pitching.

 

They should consider it. That lineup looks a lot better if you replace Erstad with Delgado and move Figgins up into the leadoff spot.

Their whole team would look a lot better if they put Kotchman at first base, put Erstad back in CF where he has value, put Figgins at the top of the lineup where he has value and Erstad in the ninth spot where he belongs. They have both Kotchman and Kendry Morales as in-house solutions for first base. I can't think of anyone ready to fill an OF spot for them (though the need isn't great if they just put Erstad out there and relegate Finley or Anderson to being an expensive bench player).