Hendry sees Cedeno as a starter in 2006

[erik316wttn]

I'd purposefully front-load the contract or put more of it in a signing bonus structure to make it easier.

 

I think you'd have to go the signing bonus route. I know back-loaded contracts are all the rage, but front loaded? Do you really think he'd want to take a paycut as the contract went on?

[Tim]

I'd purposefully front-load the contract or put more of it in a signing bonus structure to make it easier.

 

I think you'd have to go the signing bonus route. I know back-loaded contracts are all the rage, but front loaded? Do you really think he'd want to take a paycut as the contract went on?

I'd have his accountant explain the phrase "present value of money" to him several times over, if necessary. :D

[erik316wttn]

I'd purposefully front-load the contract or put more of it in a signing bonus structure to make it easier.

 

I think you'd have to go the signing bonus route. I know back-loaded contracts are all the rage, but front loaded? Do you really think he'd want to take a paycut as the contract went on?

I'd have his accountant explain the phrase "present value of money" to him several times over, if necessary. :D

 

Works for me. Buy him a house on the lake, too.

[CubsWin]

You are delusional if you think Baker doesnt have a bias towards veterans. All season has proved that he would do almost anything in his power to show that indeed he would prefer the vets to play over the rookies. Even when Cedeno was tearing it up in the minors did he get sent up and ride the pine while the Cubs hero Neifi was playing and starting at SS almost everyday. ANd that's only one example. Let's not forget how Dubois clearly outhit Holla during spring training and yet he still was benched in favor of Holla who was downright awful for us this year.

No. I'm not delusional. Just because you disagree with me doesn't make me delusional. If you have read my posts you would know that I have logic, reason and stats supporting all of my opinions. However, there is one difference between you and me. I regard my opinions as just that. I don't pretend to know the truth about much of anything.

 

If you want to have a discussion about the facts in this case and begin to sift the hard facts from the twisted quotes and views of Baker moves from a certain point of view that are being treated as if they are hard facts, I would be happy to join you.

I dont need to read Dusty's quotes to make a conclusion. I have watched almost every game this year and can tell you that Dusty has played the vets much more than the young players. He takes them out of situations to pinch-hit a vet which usually turns out to be ugly. When a player goes down he has preferred to go to a veteran off the bench and let them start over the players coming from the minors. Even with Murton lighting it up how many times did we see others start in LF over him? We are already out of the playoff race yet we still are not seeing a consistent lineup out there. If your opinion is that Baker does not discriminate so be it. My opinion is that he does indeed discriminate the young players and has been doing it all year.

I never said that you needed to read Dusty's quotes to make a conclusion. I don't know where you are getting that.

 

It seems that you missed my point about the bias some fans, maybe you I don't know, bring to how they interpret any manager's moves including Dusty Baker.

 

My opinion is that Dusty overvalues major league experience and therein lies the source of what you see as a bias against rookies.

 

And, finally, I appreciate that you stated your opinion as an opinion.

[frostwyrm]

I'd purposefully front-load the contract or put more of it in a signing bonus structure to make it easier.

 

That will be expensive but worth it. If we also want to get in the bidding for Burnett it is imperative that we don't waste money on Furcal, and we have to get Murton ready for opening day. It's driving me nuts to see Burnitz still playing every day and Murton stuck on the bench.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Cedeno misses the sign because he's young:

 

“I wasn’t bunting,” Baker said. “He (Cedeno) is young. He thought he saw a sign. That wasn’t the sign that was given. I didn’t want to take the bat out of D-Lee’s hands. No way. That’s why it’s important you get the signs. Hairston didn’t run, and Cedeno didn’t swing.

 

No word yet on whether Walker and Hairston missed signs because they are veterans.

[ltb]

You are delusional if you think Baker doesnt have a bias towards veterans. All season has proved that he would do almost anything in his power to show that indeed he would prefer the vets to play over the rookies. Even when Cedeno was tearing it up in the minors did he get sent up and ride the pine while the Cubs hero Neifi was playing and starting at SS almost everyday. ANd that's only one example. Let's not forget how Dubois clearly outhit Holla during spring training and yet he still was benched in favor of Holla who was downright awful for us this year.

 

Contrary to popular belief, Neifi hasn't had a horrendous season. Sorry.

 

contrary to your belief, a .300 obp is horrendous.

 

13th in ops amongst SS's and a very good glove = alright for $1 million. Baker should never bat him 1st or 2nd though. But keep whipping him.

 

cedeno could easily put up the same numbers - and probably better ones - all at the league minimum.

 

neifi is NOT making 1 million - being dusty's girlfriend has allowed him to earn all of his incentive, upping his contract to 2.5 million. not good at all.

[halplm]

That's a disturbing thought... how many of the veterans are still playing for incentives? Is that why they're playing over the kids?

 

No wonder players like Dusty...

[CuseCubFan69]

That's a disturbing thought... how many of the veterans are still playing for incentives? Is that why they're playing over the kids?

 

No wonder players like Dusty...

 

Yeah, it's like having a different substitute teacher each day all year long.

[halplm]

What were Neifi's incentives? Was one of them plate appearances? Is that why he's started so much at the top of the order? To get him the odd extra PA?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What were Neifi's incentives? Was one of them plate appearances? Is that why he's started so much at the top of the order? To get him the odd extra PA?

 

I'm not sure what the incentives are, but I think managerial incompetence has more to do with Neifi being at the top of the order than an extra PA or so to get him incentives.

[halplm]

What were Neifi's incentives? Was one of them plate appearances? Is that why he's started so much at the top of the order? To get him the odd extra PA?

 

I'm not sure what the incentives are, but I think managerial incompetence has more to do with Neifi being at the top of the order than an extra PA or so to get him incentives.

 

Well, yeah, but the incentives would actually provide a reason he would do that...

 

It would also show how much he actually values putting the best team out there... if he cares more for his buddy's incentives to kick in more...

[goonys evil twin]

What were Neifi's incentives? Was one of them plate appearances? Is that why he's started so much at the top of the order? To get him the odd extra PA?

 

I'm not sure what the incentives are, but I think managerial incompetence has more to do with Neifi being at the top of the order than an extra PA or so to get him incentives.

 

Well, yeah, but the incentives would actually provide a reason he would do that...

 

It would also show how much he actually values putting the best team out there... if he cares more for his buddy's incentives to kick in more...

 

Dusty has insinuated in the past that he makes playing time decisions at least partially based upon how much the player makes. If memory serves, Perez's incentives were all PA related, and he needed to get something like 400 PA to get them all.

[halplm]

What were Neifi's incentives? Was one of them plate appearances? Is that why he's started so much at the top of the order? To get him the odd extra PA?

 

I'm not sure what the incentives are, but I think managerial incompetence has more to do with Neifi being at the top of the order than an extra PA or so to get him incentives.

 

Well, yeah, but the incentives would actually provide a reason he would do that...

 

It would also show how much he actually values putting the best team out there... if he cares more for his buddy's incentives to kick in more...

 

Dusty has insinuated in the past that he makes playing time decisions at least partially based upon how much the player makes. If memory serves, Perez's incentives were all PA related, and he needed to get something like 400 PA to get them all.

 

Well, that just makes me ill... If I cared enough right now about the Cubs I'd figure out exactly how many incentives Dusty helped the Cubs get this year, and point out exactly how much money his managing us into 5th place was costing the Trib... maybe that would open someones eyes...