What to do w/ Hill?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Take this for what it's worth, but here's what Baker had to say about the Rusch performance:

 

“Glendon wasn’t really as sharp as we would have hoped he would be,” said Cubs manager Dusty Baker. “He hung a breaking ball to Burke, and he hit it out. At first, they were just blooping them all over, they really were, and finding every hole.”

 

In contrast, here are comments made by Dusty following Hill's last start:

 

"We have to address it," Baker said. "I don't think I've ever seen six hits and eight runs like that."

 

In fairness, I think Dusty was referring to the defense in reference to Hill's start.

[abuck1220]

Take this for what it's worth, but here's what Baker had to say about the Rusch performance:

 

“Glendon wasn’t really as sharp as we would have hoped he would be,” said Cubs manager Dusty Baker. “He hung a breaking ball to Burke, and he hit it out. At first, they were just blooping them all over, they really were, and finding every hole.”

 

In contrast, here are comments made by Dusty following Hill's last start:

 

"We have to address it," Baker said. "I don't think I've ever seen six hits and eight runs like that."

 

In fairness, I think Dusty was referring to the defense in reference to Hill's start.

 

he may have been...but that doesn't change the fact that 24 hours later he was back w/ the i-cubs. i have a feeling that same fate doesn't await his old pal g-unit. it's also pretty much par for the course when it comes to dusty making excuses for his guys...neifi, hollandsworth and now rusch.

[SAMMYWHO]

I say Welly down and Hill up. That was absolutely horrible to watch. Homer, Walk, Homer and I don't think he did get an out. I couldn't watch anymore. At least Hill would give us two lefties in the pen.

[abuck1220]

I say Welly down and Hill up. That was absolutely horrible to watch. Homer, Walk, Homer and I don't think he did get an out. I couldn't watch anymore. At least Hill would give us two lefties in the pen.

 

i agree...rusch and ohman.

[SAMMYWHO]

To me it doesn't matter. Neither Hill or Rusch are outstanding. In Rusch's defense (and Dusty's), Rusch has been pretty solid as a starter. One bad game isn't going to make them do anything they might regret. Like des. him for assignment. On the other hand Hill seemed ok in the pen but Rusch has been the (all around) guy. Toss a coin. That might be the best way.

[SAMMYWHO]

On the other hand, let Welly start. He's sucked as a long man out of the pen but he's been starting in AAA as far as I know. Maybe that would help him locate his pitches.

[CubfaninCA]

Take this for what it's worth, but here's what Baker had to say about the Rusch performance:

 

“Glendon wasn’t really as sharp as we would have hoped he would be,” said Cubs manager Dusty Baker. “He hung a breaking ball to Burke, and he hit it out. At first, they were just blooping them all over, they really were, and finding every hole.”

 

In contrast, here are comments made by Dusty following Hill's last start:

 

"We have to address it," Baker said. "I don't think I've ever seen six hits and eight runs like that."

 

In fairness, I think Dusty was referring to the defense in reference to Hill's start.

 

he may have been...but that doesn't change the fact that 24 hours later he was back w/ the i-cubs. i have a feeling that same fate doesn't await his old pal g-unit. it's also pretty much par for the course when it comes to dusty making excuses for his guys...neifi, hollandsworth and now rusch.

 

Rusch has had success on the major league level this year and year's past. Hill needed to get back on his feet. He'll be back again.

[2242005CY]

Hill obviously needs an effective 3rd pitch to be a successful ML Pitcher. A straight change, would be wonderful.

[abuck1220]

these baker quotes are even better (and by better, i mean worse) than his previous ones...

 

Rusch chronicles: Despite getting hit hard Monday night, lefty Glendon Rusch figures to get another start.

 

“Oh, yeah, because we know what he can do,” Dusty Baker said. “It’s not like the first time through on trial. He’s back in there. He wanted to pitch better than that, and he knows he’s better than that. You’re always frustrated when you don’t do what you think you’re capable of doing.”

 

see, that was hill's problem. he didn't want to pitch better than he did.

[abuck1220]

by the way, for those who think that hill will be 'figured out' once teams see him a time or two, he has faced omaha three times this summer...and struck out 10 each time.

 

and before everyone points out to me that they're a AAA team and not a big league team, i'm fully aware.

[abuck1220]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

[dalgreen]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

 

And that means he would've pitched well in Houston and tonight in Denver? I'm no real fan of Rusch, but Hill could've done himself a big favor by at least pitching better in his second start than what he did in his first start. And I'm only talking a little bit of improvement. It amazes me how fast some people want to move guys up while forgetting that a lot of our guys just aren't ready or have been overvalued. All I can say is I hope we don't see Pie in a Cub uniform until September 2006.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

 

I don't.

[abuck1220]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

 

And that means he would've pitched well in Houston and tonight in Denver? I'm no real fan of Rusch, but Hill could've done himself a big favor by at least pitching better in his second start than what he did in his first start. And I'm only talking a little bit of improvement. It amazes me how fast some people want to move guys up while forgetting that a lot of our guys just aren't ready or have been overvalued. All I can say is I hope we don't see Pie in a Cub uniform until September 2006.

 

i'm not saying he would have pitched well in houston and colorado, but how could he have done worse than two cub losses? the cubs are behind 5-6 teams in the wild card race...i'd rather have two cub losses w/ rich hill on the mound than two cub losses with glendon rusch on the mound. i'm looking to have a good team next year, not winning 83 games this year.

 

and w/ regard to pie...there's a big difference between a 25 year old dominating AAA and a 19 year old who had half a good season at AA. it's not a stretch to say that hill is ready.

[dalgreen]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

 

And that means he would've pitched well in Houston and tonight in Denver? I'm no real fan of Rusch, but Hill could've done himself a big favor by at least pitching better in his second start than what he did in his first start. And I'm only talking a little bit of improvement. It amazes me how fast some people want to move guys up while forgetting that a lot of our guys just aren't ready or have been overvalued. All I can say is I hope we don't see Pie in a Cub uniform until September 2006.

 

i'm not saying he would have pitched well in houston and colorado, but how could he have done worse than two cub losses? the cubs are behind 5-6 teams in the wild card race...i'd rather have two cub losses w/ rich hill on the mound than two cub losses with glendon rusch on the mound. i'm looking to have a good team next year, not winning 83 games this year.

 

and w/ regard to pie...there's a big difference between a 25 year old dominating AAA and a 19 year old who had half a good season at AA. it's not a stretch to say that hill is ready.

 

I'm a Hill fan. In fact, and you may want to hang me for this, I'm one of the ones in agreement with Hendry that I wouldn't deal him straight up for Dunn. Having said that, Hill's lack of control at the major league level is a problem he seems to not have at AAA. I'd rather have that issue worked on in Iowa instead of every fifth day right now for the Cubs. And, believe me, after the first inning tonight, I was ready to send Rusch to Iowa (exaggeration). But he threw the ball real well after the second inning.

[CubfaninCA]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

 

Rusch pitched poorly on Saturday?? Did you watch the game and see the defense behind Rusch?? If Rusch doesn't keep his composure, the game could have been 12-0 by the 5th.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

 

Rusch pitched poorly on Saturday?? Did you watch the game and see the defense behind Rusch?? If Rusch doesn't keep his composure, the game could have been 12-0 by the 5th.

 

I saw the game and he's lucky it wasn't worse. In the first inning, he was missing badly, falling behind in the count and getting hit hard. In fact with the bases loaded and a full count, he got a gift strike (it was below the knees) for strike three. Had the umpire called it correctly, he would have walked in another run that inning. I will give him credit for settling down and limiting the damage in the later innings, but there was little impressive about his performace.

 

Rusch was clutch when we needed him last season, and he may be the best option we have....but considering I don't see this team going anywhere...I think it would be more prudent letting a rookie take his lumps in the major leagues than to give starts to a major league journeyman.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

 

Rusch pitched poorly on Saturday?? Did you watch the game and see the defense behind Rusch?? If Rusch doesn't keep his composure, the game could have been 12-0 by the 5th.

 

The defense was crummy behind Hill against the Mets, but then you insisted it was on him. Can't have it both ways.

[biittner77]

If the Sept. games are meaningful, Hill will provide a valuable arm from the BP.

 

If the Cubs fall out of contention- which could happen this week, next week or not at all- I still don't see Hill getting more than 1-2 starts anyway. A 3 game losing streak would effectively end any slim chance at the WC but that would not signal the end of the Cubs trying to win games. To us the games would seem meaningless but they aren't to people like Baker and Hendry since winning games is how they are judged. Baker has already shown that he's not going to disrespect a veteran by playing a younger player. Hendry remember is the guy that said it was more important to start McGriff so he could reach a meaningless record than to give PT and ABs to Choi.

 

So it will likely be at least 3 weeks before the Cubs start thinking about next year. So what are the priorities? The Cubs have big decisions to make on Mitre and Wellemeyer whereas they already know that Hill figures in their plans next season.

[abuck1220]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

 

Rusch pitched poorly on Saturday?? Did you watch the game and see the defense behind Rusch?? If Rusch doesn't keep his composure, the game could have been 12-0 by the 5th.

 

heh...were you making those excuses when the bad news bears were playing behind hill in ny? of course not.

[CubfaninCA]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

 

Rusch pitched poorly on Saturday?? Did you watch the game and see the defense behind Rusch?? If Rusch doesn't keep his composure, the game could have been 12-0 by the 5th.

 

The defense was crummy behind Hill against the Mets, but then you insisted it was on him. Can't have it both ways.

 

Did Colorado score 9 runs yesterday?

Edited August 21, 2005 by CubfaninCA

[abuck1220]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

 

Rusch pitched poorly on Saturday?? Did you watch the game and see the defense behind Rusch?? If Rusch doesn't keep his composure, the game could have been 12-0 by the 5th.

 

The defense was crummy behind Hill against the Mets, but then you insisted it was on him. Can't have it both ways.

 

Did Rusch give up 9 runs?

 

oh, i forgot, you were the guy who said he's rather lose 7-1 than 9-1.

[CubfaninCA]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

 

Rusch pitched poorly on Saturday?? Did you watch the game and see the defense behind Rusch?? If Rusch doesn't keep his composure, the game could have been 12-0 by the 5th.

 

The defense was crummy behind Hill against the Mets, but then you insisted it was on him. Can't have it both ways.

 

Did Rusch give up 9 runs?

 

oh, i forgot, you were the guy who said he's rather lose 7-1 than 9-1.

 

So you can't admit that Rusch had a solid start yesterday? It must kill you to see him do alright.

[UK1679666180]

Rusch had a solid start last night, if you had your choice of Hill or Rusch the rest of the year, Rusch would likely outpitch Hill as Hill adjusts to ML hitters.

 

But for the good of the team and Hill in the long-term, it would be better for the Cubs to start Hill the rest of the year unless sub .500 teams can make the playoffs.

[OldHappyCubFan]

Give hill time in AAA. Lets see what he does.