Too late Mr. Hendry...now you couldn't give away these guys

[CuseCubFan69]

Hendry had his chance for the second year in a row to make this team better at the deadline but chose to "tweek" an average team with a below average manager. Now, it's going to be tough to get these players through waivers and move them and he should do ASAP.

 

Trade:

 

CPatt

Nomar

Burnitz

Perez

Macias

Walker

Hollandsworth

 

And most important of all fire Baker. If you can't do this Mr. Hendry it may be time for you to leave as well.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Reasons why they weren't dealt before the deadline:

 

CPatt = absolutely no value

Nomar = on DL, couldn't be dealt

Burnitz = only "consistent" OF

Perez = who knows?

Macias = see Perez

Walker = why? cheap and productive, keep him.

Hollandsworth = see Perez, Macias

[JeffH]

Walker and Rusch were the two that should have been traded.

[YearofDaCubs]

Walker and Rusch were the two that should have been traded.

Aggreed, and aside from Nomar, and cpattt we would've been better off releasing the rest on that list.

[CuseCubFan69]

Reasons why they weren't dealt before the deadline:

 

CPatt = absolutely no value

Nomar = on DL, couldn't be dealt

Burnitz = only "consistent" OF

Perez = who knows?

Macias = see Perez

Walker = why? cheap and productive, keep him.

Hollandsworth = see Perez, Macias

 

And where did these players get the Cubs? They are below the Brewers now, you have to move them all.

 

As for Nomar, I'd move him now. I know he couldn't have been moved earlier but he is auditioning for other teams right now and it's the Cubs chance to get some value because I doubt they will offer arbitration for him and will get nothing for him.

 

You have to trade something that has value and if Burnitz has value, move him. The Cubs can always get another average corner OF in the off season if they like Burnitz production.

[CuseCubFan69]

Walker and Rusch were the two that should have been traded.

Aggreed, and aside from Nomar, and cpattt we would've been better off releasing the rest on that list.

 

Since these guys are part time starters for the Cubs why would they be worthless to other teams? Unless Hendry and Baker are the worst in MLB at their jobs other teams may have an interest in them because for some reason they are on the Cubs.

 

Move CPatt to the Angels

Nomar to the White Sox

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Reasons why they weren't dealt before the deadline:

 

CPatt = absolutely no value

Nomar = on DL, couldn't be dealt

Burnitz = only "consistent" OF

Perez = who knows?

Macias = see Perez

Walker = why? cheap and productive, keep him.

Hollandsworth = see Perez, Macias

 

And where did these players get the Cubs? They are below the Brewers now, you have to move them all.

 

As for Nomar, I'd move him now. I know he couldn't have been moved earlier but he is auditioning for other teams right now and it's the Cubs chance to get some value because I doubt they will offer arbitration for him and will get nothing for him.

 

You have to trade something that has value and if Burnitz has value, move him. The Cubs can always get another average corner OF in the off season if they like Burnitz production.

 

I think my post came off as though I was advocating keeping them all. Walker is the only one on the list that I would have been upset to see leave. All I was doing was pointing out the reasons why they weren't, whether or not they were the right reasons.

[CuseCubFan69]

Reasons why they weren't dealt before the deadline:

 

CPatt = absolutely no value

Nomar = on DL, couldn't be dealt

Burnitz = only "consistent" OF

Perez = who knows?

Macias = see Perez

Walker = why? cheap and productive, keep him.

Hollandsworth = see Perez, Macias

 

And where did these players get the Cubs? They are below the Brewers now, you have to move them all.

 

As for Nomar, I'd move him now. I know he couldn't have been moved earlier but he is auditioning for other teams right now and it's the Cubs chance to get some value because I doubt they will offer arbitration for him and will get nothing for him.

 

You have to trade something that has value and if Burnitz has value, move him. The Cubs can always get another average corner OF in the off season if they like Burnitz production.

 

I think my post came off as though I was advocating keeping them all. Walker is the only one on the list that I would have been upset to see leave. All I was doing was pointing out the reasons why they weren't, whether or not they were the right reasons.

 

I think because Walker is cheap and has value the Cubs should move him. I think this team needs an overhaul and Walker IMO would bring in a decent prospect or 2 if Hendry works it right.

[erik316wttn]

I'd keep Nomar. See if he'd sign another cheap incentive-laden deal (5 million base, 10 million w/incentives) with Cedeno as the backup.

 

Keep the INF the same in 2006. That's not where the problem is.

[DCNashville]

Walker and Rusch were the two that should have been traded.

Aggreed, and aside from Nomar, and cpattt we would've been better off releasing the rest on that list.

 

Since these guys are part time starters for the Cubs why would they be worthless to other teams? Unless Hendry and Baker are the worst in MLB at their jobs other teams may have an interest in them because for some reason they are on the Cubs.

 

Move CPatt to the Angels

Nomar to the White Sox

 

With the records of the Angels and White Sox, I doubt either player would get that far through waivers. Nomar, maybe, but some bad team would take a chance on Corey.

[rocket]

but some bad team would take a chance on Corey.

 

may as well be the cubs

[YearofDaCubs]

I'd keep Nomar. See if he'd sign another cheap incentive-laden deal (5 million base, 10 million w/incentives) with Cedeno as the backup.

 

Keep the INF the same in 2006. That's not where the problem is.

If Cedeno doesn't start he should stay in the minors and get more ABs. I'm really puzzled that they have not sent him back to the minors. The guy is not getting any playing time and he wont now that Neifi and Nomar are here.

[Tracer Bullet]

I don't understand why you'd want to get rid of most of these guys when they're useful to the team now and could help the team next year, too.

 

Holly - solid 4th OF. Good defender, has PH in the past and been successful.

 

Walker - good, cheap 2B. Cubs have a shot to resign him, don't have great alternatives in the system and if they trade him, don't have much of a chance to sign him.

 

Nomar - he may be auditioning for other teams, but he seems to like Chicago and might take a reasonable incentive-laden deal to stay since the Cubs gave him $8m for nothing. Even if he signs elsewhere, he doesn't have a ton of value to other teams now (and won't until he proves he's back, which will take some time).

 

Neifi - solid backup IF, good spot-starter (as long as he isn't hitting 2nd).

 

Macias - drop him or keep him, I don't care. But no one is going to trade for him.

 

Burnitz - the only guy on your list that I'd trade. Has some value and the Cubs have plenty of OF prospects. Ship him out for whatever you get.

 

CPatt - has no value. Someone make take him, but as Rocket Sauce said, might as well be the Cubs. Besides, if he plays well next year, trade him when he has value and put Pie in CF. Don't trade him now for pennies on the dollar - he's still relatively young.

 

It's not that these guys (except Macias) aren't valuable to the team, they're just being misused. The manager is the one that plays Neifi, Holly, and Macias all the time over Murton and Cedeno. Don't trade away useful players b/c the manager can't use them correctly. Fire the manager.

[CubfaninCA]

Hendry should have swung a deal for Soriano. Hopefully, he does so in the offseason, the Cubs can fit Soriano into their budget for a year. Give Texas Kerry Wood, and some prospects.

[Wheelimus]

Of the current Cubs 25 man, I'd try to move the following at this point since, barring a miracle run, the season is all but over...

 

Burnitz - doesn't fit into our team next year I don't think, see if you can get anything of value if you eat the rest of his salary this season.

 

Neifi - doesn't fit into our team next year as far as I'm concerned.

 

Hollandsworth - I hate to do it, because he would be great as our 4th OF, but so long as Dusty manages this team, you have to remove the people he can't help himself from misusing. Somebody could use his talents for the stretch run.

 

Greg Maddux - Eat the $ required to move him, he's all but done for, but probably could still suffice as the 5th guy in San Diego or Atlanta's rotations.

 

That's about it, I don't move Corey, he has no value and if he puts it together, he will. If not, we weren't getting much back anyway. I don't move Wood, again, no value right now, let him get cut on in the offseason, try to work him back into the rotation next year, and trade him during his first injury free run. I'm not sold on Cedeno as our shortstop next year, so I see if Nomar will take $5 mil as a base for next year with incentives. I keep Walker, good player at a bargain rate for next year. Same for Glendon Rusch.

[UBlink]

 

Greg Maddux - Eat the $ required to move him, he's all but done for, but probably could still suffice as the 5th guy in San Diego or Atlanta's rotations.

 

 

Maddux is good enough to be Atlanta's 5th starter but not good enough for the Cubs?

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I'd keep Nomar. See if he'd sign another cheap incentive-laden deal (5 million base, 10 million w/incentives) with Cedeno as the backup.

 

Keep the INF the same in 2006. That's not where the problem is.

 

I'm with you on this one. The infield is solid when Nomar is healthy. Keep him. We'll be able to get him for significantly less. Plus, both Nomar and Mia love Chicago. They are building a house in the suburbs right this second. Keep Cedeno as a back up and dump Neifi onto someone else. If no one wants Neifi, leave him as the backup, and let Cedeno get some AB in the minors.

 

Outfield is where we need help. Burnitz has been our only consistent OF all year. I'm not against resigning him. Holly has to go. He's like Neifi, he "saved us" for about a month, but other than that, his offensive production has been horrible. And it's pointless to keep him around with Murton in the majors, and Lawton possibly being a Cub next year. Cubs need to agressively pursue a solid center fielder, and get all the bullpen help they can.

[Backtobanks]

The only team desperate enough to be interested in those guys is the Cubs. These are the kind of guys that Baker would be asking Hendry to pick up for the Cubs.

[ltb]

Holly - solid 4th OF. Good defender, has PH in the past and been successful.

 

Sorry, but I can't overlook this.

 

Hollandsworth is NOT a good defender. He is below average defensively. The "good defender" excuse was made up by Dusty to justify him giving so much PT to Hollandsworth.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Holly - solid 4th OF. Good defender, has PH in the past and been successful.

 

Sorry, but I can't overlook this.

 

Hollandsworth is NOT a good defender. He is below average defensively. The "good defender" excuse was made up by Dusty to justify him giving so much PT to Hollandsworth.

 

BP says 3 runs below average, or a 95 rate. Just about the same as Dubois.

[ltb]

Holly - solid 4th OF. Good defender, has PH in the past and been successful.

 

Sorry, but I can't overlook this.

 

Hollandsworth is NOT a good defender. He is below average defensively. The "good defender" excuse was made up by Dusty to justify him giving so much PT to Hollandsworth.

 

BP says 3 runs below average, or a 95 rate. Just about the same as Dubois.

 

Correct.

[gflore34]

I'd keep Nomar. See if he'd sign another cheap incentive-laden deal (5 million base, 10 million w/incentives) with Cedeno as the backup.

 

Keep the INF the same in 2006. That's not where the problem is.

 

I'm with you on this one. The infield is solid when Nomar is healthy. Keep him. We'll be able to get him for significantly less. Plus, both Nomar and Mia love Chicago. They are building a house in the suburbs right this second. Keep Cedeno as a back up and dump Neifi onto someone else. If no one wants Neifi, leave him as the backup, and let Cedeno get some AB in the minors.

 

Outfield is where we need help. Burnitz has been our only consistent OF all year. I'm not against resigning him. Holly has to go. He's like Neifi, he "saved us" for about a month, but other than that, his offensive production has been horrible. And it's pointless to keep him around with Murton in the majors, and Lawton possibly being a Cub next year. Cubs need to agressively pursue a solid center fielder, and get all the bullpen help they can.

 

 

I know today's baseball player has a different mentality but, if there ever was an example of player being in debt to team Garciapparra is it. He should basically take whatever the Cubs are willing to offer.

[Tracer Bullet]

Holly - solid 4th OF. Good defender, has PH in the past and been successful.

 

Sorry, but I can't overlook this.

 

Hollandsworth is NOT a good defender. He is below average defensively. The "good defender" excuse was made up by Dusty to justify him giving so much PT to Hollandsworth.

 

Let's put it this way. Maybe "good" was an overestimate of his skills, but he's not exactly Macias out there and as a 4th OF, I'd take him. Maybe I should have said he's been successful as a PH and he's not a horrible corner OF. Either way, I think he has value (if used correctly), but not enough to make a trade worthwhile.

[neely crenshaw]

they do have some value. the problem is that they are our studs behind aram and lee. burnitz is below average, he has value because he plays hard and is left handed with some pop but when he is your #4 hitter and best offensive outfielder you are not a good team.