Joe Girardi? Huh?

[Connor McConnor]

What is it with Cub fans (and that mega-dope Maritotti)? Joe Girardi? Why exactly? He's a nice guy? He used to play here? Went to Northwestern? He was a catchter and so was Joe Torre and look how well the Yankees have done? (Forget their 200 zillion dollar payroll).

 

I've yet to see any reason to hire Joe Girardi as the manager of the Chicago Cubs. He's never managed anything. Please enlighten me as to why Joe Girardi should be put in charge of a Major League team as his first assignment as a manager.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What is it with Cub fans (and that mega-dope Maritotti)? Joe Girardi? Why exactly? He's a nice guy? He used to play here? Went to Northwestern? He was a catchter and so was Joe Torre and look how well the Yankees have done? (Forget their 200 zillion dollar payroll).

 

I've yet to see any reason to hire Joe Girardi as the manager of the Chicago Cubs. He's never managed anything. Please enlighten me as to why Joe Girardi should be put in charge of a Major League team as his first assignment as a manager.

 

Despite their payroll, the Yankees management knows what they're doing. Torre is a good manager, and being involved in that system can only help. Plus, being a Northwestern grad, we can hope that Joe is smart enough to be able to detach himself from the players when making decisions on PT. However, as I said in another thread, there's no way to tell how good a manager Girardi, or any other candidate without managerial experience, will be. Until they are in the position, we don't know if they'll do the same stupid things that Baker has done to hamstring the team.

[Connor McConnor]

 

Despite their payroll, the Yankees management knows what they're doing.

 

I'd say this was worded wrong.

 

How about....."in light of their payroll.....the Yankees management knows what they're doing."

[ZMovieman]

CPatterson20's right. We don't know how Girardi would do since he has no previous experience. But if managers were chosen only on previous experience, how would capable candidates (like Girardi) get a shot? Someone has to give every manager a chance somewhere down the line.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

Despite their payroll, the Yankees management knows what they're doing.

 

I'd say this was worded wrong.

 

How about....."in light of their payroll.....the Yankees management knows what they're doing."

 

Yeah, you got what I was saying. Even with that monstrous payroll, the Yankees have good management in place to help them achieve the success that they've had.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

CPatterson20's right. We don't know how Girardi would do since he has no previous experience. But if managers were chosen only on previous experience, how would capable candidates (like Girardi) get a shot? Someone has to give every manager a chance somewhere down the line.

 

To clarify, I'm not saying that we shouldn't hire someone without any managerial experience, I'm just saying as fans we can't pass judgment on a hiring until we know how they manage. If the person has no experience, we have to wait until they do so before evaluating.

[Illini Iceman]

CPatterson20's right. We don't know how Girardi would do since he has no previous experience. But if managers were chosen only on previous experience, how would capable candidates (like Girardi) get a shot? Someone has to give every manager a chance somewhere down the line.

 

To clarify, I'm not saying that we shouldn't hire someone without any managerial experience, I'm just saying as fans we can't pass judgment on a hiring until we know how they manage. If the person has no experience, we have to wait until they do so before evaluating.

 

That's what the minor leagues are for. If he wants to be a big league manager he should pay his dues.

[Mad Ducks]

It is a great assumption that any decent catcher will make a great manager....

[santoforhall]

I don't recall Ozzie Guillen having any managerial experience, and he seems to be having an excellent rookie campaign, if the W-L record is the primary indicator of success.

[Connor McConnor]

I don't recall Ozzie Guillen having any managerial experience, and he seems to be having an excellent rookie campaign, if the W-L record is the primary indicator of success.

 

Actually Ozzie:

 

Spent three seasons in the major leagues as a third base coach, including a stint with the 2003 world champion Florida Marlins.

 

At least that's something.

 

I just do not get the idea that just hiring "anybody"....is ok. If it is....then the manager doesnt really matter anyway. So the hundreds of posts about Baker are silly (kind of are anyway).

 

The point is......this is a major league franchise.....hiring someone (doesnt matter who it is) to "try out" managing at the big league level is nuts.

 

By the way.....if Ozzies team had struggled this year he would have been fired by now.....people were just waiting to pounce on him. The team got hot.....so all is well.

[Balsa]

Any voters for Spier?

[NorthsideAvenger]

I don't recall Ozzie Guillen having any managerial experience, and he seems to be having an excellent rookie campaign, if the W-L record is the primary indicator of success.

 

This is Ozzie Guillen SECOND season, not his FIRST season.

[Tracer Bullet]

I don't recall Ozzie Guillen having any managerial experience, and he seems to be having an excellent rookie campaign, if the W-L record is the primary indicator of success.

 

Actually Ozzie:

 

Spent three seasons in the major leagues as a third base coach, including a stint with the 2003 world champion Florida Marlins.

 

At least that's something.

 

I just do not get the idea that just hiring "anybody"....is ok. If it is....then the manager doesnt really matter anyway. So the hundreds of posts about Baker are silly (kind of are anyway).

 

The point is......this is a major league franchise.....hiring someone (doesnt matter who it is) to "try out" managing at the big league level is nuts.

 

By the way.....if Ozzies team had struggled this year he would have been fired by now.....people were just waiting to pounce on him. The team got hot.....so all is well.

 

And Girardi has been Torre's bench coach. Why is being a 3rd base coach "at least...something" but being a bench coach isn't?

[KatJ]

And Girardi has been Torre's bench coach. Why is being a 3rd base coach "at least...something" but being a bench coach isn't?

 

That's what I was thinking. The guy was always a leader in the clubhouse as well, even if he wasn't the best player. But Girardi couldn't have stunk it up too bad - you don't get 3 WS rings by accident. (I looked it up - it was not 4, as I said earlier.) One, maybe... but let's keep Lenny Harris out of this. :-)

[Jazz]

y? because of this picture

 

http://reds.enquirer.com/2002/06/23/girardi_zoom.jpg

[shnsajax]

Is that a picture from when Daryle Kyle passed away? If so, I am not really sure what you are saying.

 

Right now I am under the impression that there are very few decent veteran managers at all. Joe Girardi has been tabbed as a future manager for 10 years now, and at this point I would have no problem going with a rookie manager.

[Connor McConnor]

Is that a picture from when Daryle Kyle passed away? If so, I am not really sure what you are saying.

 

Right now I am under the impression that there are very few decent veteran managers at all. Joe Girardi has been tabbed as a future manager for 10 years now, and at this point I would have no problem going with a rookie manager.

 

Really? No experience needed? No minor leagues? Nothing? Is that really what the Cubs need at this point? I dont have the answer.....but I think a little managing experience would be a good idea.

 

Was Girardi a bench coach for Torre? I hadn heard that. When? And what is he (Girardi) doing now?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Is that a picture from when Daryle Kyle passed away? If so, I am not really sure what you are saying.

 

Right now I am under the impression that there are very few decent veteran managers at all. Joe Girardi has been tabbed as a future manager for 10 years now, and at this point I would have no problem going with a rookie manager.

 

Really? No experience needed? No minor leagues? Nothing? Is that really what the Cubs need at this point? I dont have the answer.....but I think a little managing experience would be a good idea.

 

Was Girardi a bench coach for Torre? I hadn heard that. When? And what is he (Girardi) doing now?

 

I'm pretty sure that's what he's doing right now, bench coaching for the Yanks.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Really? No experience needed? No minor leagues? Nothing? Is that really what the Cubs need at this point? I dont have the answer.....but I think a little managing experience would be a good idea.

 

Was Girardi a bench coach for Torre? I hadn heard that. When? And what is he (Girardi) doing now?

 

First the Cubs last two FULL TIME managers (Bruce Kimm doesn't count)---outside of one magical yr---haven't done squat in what 6 yrs? So, IMO, a new voice is what the Cubs need. And just because you've managed before doesn't mean you are qualified for a job.

 

For the past two yrs, I believe. I like Joe, but two yrs isn't enough time for Girardi to earn his "stripes" as a coach, thus I don't really see Girardi as a candidate right now.

 

If the Cubs went with an "experience" manager, I would hope it is either Larry Dierker or Grady Little. If they went with the "rookie" manager I hope it would be Freddie Gonzalez of ATL or Bud Black of Anaheim.

[CarolinaCubFan]

y? because of this picture

 

http://reds.enquirer.com/2002/06/23/girardi_zoom.jpg

 

Bam! Great pic to make your point CpattFan. Girardi has great leadership skills from what I've heard. A manager has to know the game, but he also has to lead the team. I can deal with rookie mistakes, but flat out stupidity is driving me insane. I think Girardi has to be one of the top future managers, who else would you give a shot?

 

Grace? Sandberg? I wish Tony Gwynn where an option.

[shnsajax]

Really? No experience needed? No minor leagues? Nothing? Is that really what the Cubs need at this point? I dont have the answer.....but I think a little managing experience would be a good idea.

 

Was Girardi a bench coach for Torre? I hadn heard that. When? And what is he (Girardi) doing now?

 

First the Cubs last two FULL TIME managers (Bruce Kimm doesn't count)---outside of one magical yr---haven't done squat in what 6 yrs? So, IMO, a new voice is what the Cubs need. And just because you've managed before doesn't mean you are qualified for a job.

 

For the past two yrs, I believe. I like Joe, but two yrs isn't enough time for Girardi to earn his "stripes" as a coach, thus I don't really see Girardi as a candidate right now.

 

If the Cubs went with an "experience" manager, I would hope it is either Larry Dierker or Grady Little. If they went with the "rookie" manager I hope it would be Freddie Gonzalez of ATL or Bud Black of Anaheim.

 

As a bench coach how much is Girardi actually learning, that he hasn't learned as a player. I really have no clue, but with someone like Girardi I really don't think it would be a long process.

[Connor McConnor]

 

Bam! Great pic to make your point CpattFan. Girardi has great leadership skills from what I've heard. A manager has to know the game, but he also has to lead the team. I can deal with rookie mistakes, but flat out stupidity is driving me insane. I think Girardi has to be one of the top future managers, who else would you give a shot?

 

Grace? Sandberg? I wish Tony Gwynn where an option.

 

I dont see how making a speech makes him managerial material. In fact, I think that picture shows a problem that he might have. He played with a lot of these guys (not just a few like Ozzie) fairly recently. He's only been out of the league a few years. Its one thing to be "a strong clubhouse guy"...its another when you have to confront a grown man and tell him something he doesnt want to hear. Especially guys who were your peers, friends, and co-workers a few years ago. Now you are gonna tell em what to do? Awkward.....and not good.

 

I'm not saying he cant manage someday. Maybe he can. But let him fill out a few lineup cards before you hand him the keys to Wrigley Field....please.

[CarolinaCubFan]

 

Bam! Great pic to make your point CpattFan. Girardi has great leadership skills from what I've heard. A manager has to know the game, but he also has to lead the team. I can deal with rookie mistakes, but flat out stupidity is driving me insane. I think Girardi has to be one of the top future managers, who else would you give a shot?

 

Grace? Sandberg? I wish Tony Gwynn where an option.

 

I dont see how making a speech makes him managerial material. In fact, I think that picture shows a problem that he might have. He played with a lot of these guys (not just a few like Ozzie) fairly recently. He's only been out of the league a few years. Its one thing to be "a strong clubhouse guy"...its another when you have to confront a grown man and tell him something he doesnt want to hear. Especially guys who were your peers, friends, and co-workers a few years ago. Now you are gonna tell em what to do? Awkward.....and not good.

 

I'm not saying he cant manage someday. Maybe he can. But let him fill out a few lineup cards before you hand him the keys to Wrigley Field....please.

 

It wouldn't be an easy job, I personally feel he could do it. Players respect him, and he always seems to step up in a leadership type role. I don't think Girardi is a "I'm your boss, like it" kind of guy.

 

I'd pick him over Baker right now.

[nilodnayr]

For what its worth, I have heard rumblings from people who know Girardi that he absolutely HATES the cubs organization. He was under the impression he was being groomed to be a big part of this organization, but instead was thrown out on his butt. Again, this is all second hand knowledge and circumstantial, but I'm fairly certain that Girardi would never never ever come back. Im not completely sure of the circumstances of his departure, does anyone else have any info?

[CubfaninCA]

I thought the all-knowing Mariotti loved Baker.