Looking forward to 4 roster changes between now and tomorrow

[Blueheart05]

Career numbers mean nothing. In sports, the prevailing question is "what have you done for me lately?" Using that same logic, I can make a strong argument for why Mike Remlinger should remain on the team. Afterall, he's a former All-Star left handed reliever with a plethora of experience; including divisional races and the playoffs. Yet, he probably has one foot out the door already... The Cubs would not miss Hollandsworth but they would miss Macias (mostly because he can play a variety of positions on a team that is largely overworked and injuried on the corners) Being a switch hitter also helps his cause.

 

Do you really believe this? that a player's most recent 150 at bats are more important than everything else he's ever done put together? Remlinger is a bad example because he's 47 years old and obviously not any good. Hollandsworth may have had better days behind him, but Macias is 33 himself.

 

The example I used of Remlinger was purposely exaggerated. I think he should go...

 

Macias is a career role player with more value than Hollandsworth for all the reasons I've already mentioned (the ability to play multiple positions and switch hit).

 

On the other hand, Hollandsworth is a reserve who mistakenly feels he can start everyday (yet outside of his rookie year he has shown little ability to do so consistently). I will conceed that Todd was misused this year (even though I'm sure he relished having the opportunity to start). However, now that we have Matt Lawton's left handed bat there is no reason to keep Hollandsworth (and Macias). For what it's worth, Hollandsworth is only a year younger than Macias.

 

Also, why would any GM exchange a jack-of-all-trades type of guy like Macias for a one dimensional bench player like Mike Fontenot?

 

Finally, every team needs a Macias type guy. Getting rid of Macias weakens the bench and by extension the team. If the argument against keeping Macias has something to do with getting more ABs for Cedeno and Murton the logic is flawed. The rookies are not role players they are, arguably, future starters who will either wait their turn on the bench or be optioned to play everyday in the Minors.

[oldcubsfan]

And there's nothing wrong with a .296/.311 line out of your 25th man who has only the 12th most AB's on the team.

He can play 2B, 3B, all OF spots and is the emergency catcher.

He rarely starts but when he has, he's 21-62 for a .339 average and .359 OBP.

 

He's had far fewer AB's than most around here say he has and he's had a good season for the role he fills this year, which is clear when you look at the numbers he's put up. He ranks very low on the list of problems on this year's team.

 

The level of dislike for Macias on this board is ridiculous. Look at his numbers this year and compare them to other 25th men who can play as many positions as he can. I'm pretty sure Jose stacks up favorably against nearly all of them.

Excellent. The dislike for certain players grows whether the do anything or not. I know I wouldn't pay to see a team made up of Choi, Hill, Cedeno, Harris, DuBois, Hairston and Kelton, and apparently other major league teams agree.

[CUBZ99]

Can Fontenot play 2B, 3B, all 3 OF spots and be an emergency catcher? Even if it hardly ever or never comes up, every team has to have an emergency catcher. Because if it does come up and you don't have one, it's an absolute disaster.

 

if the tradeoff was that we could have fontenot instead of macias, but if the situation came up where we had to forfeit a game due to need of a third catcher due to injury, id still get rid of macias. when's the last time we needed a third catcher? do we have a fourth catcher? anytime we'd need a third catcher, it'd probably be in extra innings, and macias undoubtedly would've already botched an important pinch hitting opportunity earlier in the game. if macias is so valuable as a third catcher, does that mean we should never use him, just in case we should need him in the bottom of the 14th?

 

If Fontenot were called up and used as the 25th man, then people would complain that he was rotting on the bench and losing valuable development time. ](*,)

 

I think if your are expecting more than .296 Avg. and a guy that can play almost every position for your 25th man, you are being more than a little bit irrational.

 

With all of the problems on this team, Macias should be the least of the Cubs worries at the moment.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Can Fontenot play 2B, 3B, all 3 OF spots and be an emergency catcher? Even if it hardly ever or never comes up, every team has to have an emergency catcher. Because if it does come up and you don't have one, it's an absolute disaster.

 

if the tradeoff was that we could have fontenot instead of macias, but if the situation came up where we had to forfeit a game due to need of a third catcher due to injury, id still get rid of macias. when's the last time we needed a third catcher? do we have a fourth catcher? anytime we'd need a third catcher, it'd probably be in extra innings, and macias undoubtedly would've already botched an important pinch hitting opportunity earlier in the game. if macias is so valuable as a third catcher, does that mean we should never use him, just in case we should need him in the bottom of the 14th?

 

This is a very good point. Macias is ALWAYS used before the 2nd catcher, so the only time where he would be used is if the starter got hurt real early, and the backup got hurt again. It's not worth it to keep him on the roster, especially since Macias isn't exactly a catching whiz himself.

 

CUBZ99, I've said on more than one occasion that I think that Fontenot's ceiling is as a utility player and spot starter. Therefore, I don't think it's "hurting his development" to try him out in the role that he will likely play if he makes the big league club. This is not the case for other players(Cedeno for example) who have the potential/ability to play everyday for a big league ball club.

[HoopsCubs]

Even with Hairston getting hurt, someone still has to be dropped from the 40-man with Williamson and Nomar coming off the 60-day DL.

 

That's a good point. I think we could be surprised here. Everyone wants Macias and/or Remlinger to be DFAd to free up one spot - I certainly don't see Macias getting axed at this point as Hendry seems reluctant to bring Mike Fontenot up. Remlinger, maybe, but I still have doubts even though he should get cut (a la Borowski). It could be Grieve - perhaps Hendry snuck him through waivers with other visible players on the list. You know, maybe Angel goes on the 60 day, but I think he's going to pitch soon. So, I'm guessing a dark horse candidate loses his 40-man status: goodbye Russ Rohlicek.

[sporrer17]

This is kinda weird...some people wanted to see Corey brought back, but at the same time wanted Murton here as well...I guess this is one way to achieve that...

 

Patterson-Williamson-Garciaparra-Wood

 

for

 

Hairston-Novoa-Cedeno-Mitre

 

Hairston to 60 day DL if he's not returning...

[CubfaninCA]

And there's nothing wrong with a .296/.311 line out of your 25th man who has only the 12th most AB's on the team.

He can play 2B, 3B, all OF spots and is the emergency catcher.

He rarely starts but when he has, he's 21-62 for a .339 average and .359 OBP.

 

He's had far fewer AB's than most around here say he has and he's had a good season for the role he fills this year, which is clear when you look at the numbers he's put up. He ranks very low on the list of problems on this year's team.

 

The level of dislike for Macias on this board is ridiculous. Look at his numbers this year and compare them to other 25th men who can play as many positions as he can. I'm pretty sure Jose stacks up favorably against nearly all of them.

Excellent. The dislike for certain players grows whether the do anything or not. I know I wouldn't pay to see a team made up of Choi, Hill, Cedeno, Harris, DuBois, Hairston and Kelton, and apparently other major league teams agree.

 

BUT ALL THOSE GUYS TAKE WALKS!!! :wink:

 

The hate for Macias is out of control. It's almost a wash between him and Holla.

 

EDIT: You get post of the year sir. The consensus wanted nearly all those guys you listed starting. =D>

Edited August 5, 2005 by CubfaninCA

[CubfaninCA]

This is kinda weird...some people wanted to see Corey brought back, but at the same time wanted Murton here as well...I guess this is one way to achieve that...

 

Patterson-Williamson-Garciaparra-Wood

 

for

 

Hairston-Novoa-Cedeno-Mitre

 

Hairston to 60 day DL if he's not returning...

 

Sounds good. Put Patterson in cf, and make Murton the lead pinch hitter.

[CubsHawks25]

One can only hope it'll provide the spark needed, but I don't see why this lineup can't be good most days and great some (Nomar hitting well and once in a while, Corey goes "nuts");

 

LF Lawton

2B Walker

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

RF Burnitz

SS Nomar

CF Patterson

C Barrett/Blanco

Pitcher

 

I know we gotta hit Corey 7th to prevent just pitching around him to get to the 9-spot, but if Nomar comes back on fire and not moved up to the 2-spot by Dusty quicky enough, he's gonna get pitched around alot to get to Patterson, if Corey stays in his slump.

[sporrer17]

Corey was 2-4 tonight...which helps his cause a little bit.

 

16% turnover from one day to the next...wow...lol.

 

However all of the players we're getting back are very talented players, potential "impact" players"...who could change this team drastically if they play well. They are replacing role players...Mitre (long relief), Novoa, Cedeno (not playing here anyway), and Hairston (doing alright, but injured)

[CubfaninCA]

And there's nothing wrong with a .296/.311 line out of your 25th man who has only the 12th most AB's on the team.

He can play 2B, 3B, all OF spots and is the emergency catcher.

He rarely starts but when he has, he's 21-62 for a .339 average and .359 OBP.

 

He's had far fewer AB's than most around here say he has and he's had a good season for the role he fills this year, which is clear when you look at the numbers he's put up. He ranks very low on the list of problems on this year's team.

 

The level of dislike for Macias on this board is ridiculous. Look at his numbers this year and compare them to other 25th men who can play as many positions as he can. I'm pretty sure Jose stacks up favorably against nearly all of them.

Excellent. The dislike for certain players grows whether the do anything or not. I know I wouldn't pay to see a team made up of Choi, Hill, Cedeno, Harris, DuBois, Hairston and Kelton, and apparently other major league teams agree.

 

Actually I think some would pay big money to see this team.

 

Choi, Hill, Cedeno, ARam, Murton, Carlos Beltran, DuBois, catcher????

That team would walk it's way to 50 victories, but thank God Macias is gone.

[Brian]

If we ever need a third catcher, I'd send Big Z out there.

 

And where does this Macias/emergency catcher stuff come from, he's never caught a single inning in MLB (according to Cubs.com)?

[wastra]

If we ever need a third catcher, I'd send Big Z out there.

 

And where does this Macias/emergency catcher stuff come from, he's never caught a single inning in MLB (according to Cubs.com)?

 

 

They figure he'd be good at that role since he wouldn't have to squat to get into position.

[Roast]

If we ever need a third catcher, I'd send Big Z out there.

 

And where does this Macias/emergency catcher stuff come from, he's never caught a single inning in MLB (according to Cubs.com)?

 

 

They figure he'd be good at that role since he wouldn't have to squat to get into position.

 

Hahaha, nicely done.

[JC]

If we ever need a third catcher, I'd send Big Z out there.

 

And where does this Macias/emergency catcher stuff come from, he's never caught a single inning in MLB (according to Cubs.com)?

 

 

They figure he'd be good at that role since he wouldn't have to squat to get into position.

 

Be careful, Wastra. There was a spectacular amount of protest when I suggested that Neifi could fit into Darren Baker's pajamas.

[sporrer17]

Be careful, Wastra. There was a spectacular amount of protest when I suggested that Neifi could fit into Darren Baker's pajamas.

 

LOL, I remember that. Quite funny, actually.

[JC]

Be careful, Wastra. There was a spectacular amount of protest when I suggested that Neifi could fit into Darren Baker's pajamas.

 

LOL, I remember that. Quite funny, actually.

 

One of the best overreactions ever. The best part is, Neifi is about as tall as me. It was more a shot at Neifi being a Baker pet (who else gets asked to a sleepover with the manager's kid?) than his size.

 

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[UBlink]

A note for the Greenberg fans - I noticed his name is now showing on the DJaxx roster, so I guess his rehab assignment is over.

[E.J.]

A note for the Greenberg fans - I noticed his name is now showing on the DJaxx roster, so I guess his rehab assignment is over.

 

:?

 

I see him on the DJaxx roster:

 

http://diamondjaxx.com/team/players.asp

[soapy]

Excellent. The dislike for certain players grows whether the do anything or not. I know I wouldn't pay to see a team made up of Choi, Hill, Cedeno, Harris, DuBois, Hairston and Kelton, and apparently other major league teams agree.

 

I don't disagree that the dislike for some players may be a little extreme. However, your examples of Choi, Hill, Cedeno, Harris, DuBois, Hairston and Kelton or misplaced IMO. Let's look at who those guys were competing with for playing time:

 

Choi: Karros and Randall Simon

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect Choi to be more productive then either of those two, offensively and defensively.

 

Hill: Grudzelanik (I can't spell)

The biggest debate on this was ST 2003 when Grudz was coming of some subpar years in LA and stunk it up in Spring Training just as bad, if not worse, than Hill.

 

Cedeno: Neifi

I still believe that Cedeno would be more productive then Perez.

 

DuBois: Hollandsworth

Neither played well, but I think an arguement can be made that DuBois could be more productive if given the chance (not to mention he has a lot more upside than Holla)

 

Hairston: Neifi (2B before Nomar's injury) and CF

Hairston has stuggled since being inserted into CF, no doubt. But he's still been more productive than Patterson was (and Neifi), and his defense hasn't been any worse IMO.

 

Kelton and Harris: I don't remember people clamoring for these two to be starters. I know some people would have liked them to be used off of the bench, and there was some clamoring for Harris to start when Ramirez was injured last year.

[J.R.]

Excellent. The dislike for certain players grows whether the do anything or not. I know I wouldn't pay to see a team made up of Choi, Hill, Cedeno, Harris, DuBois, Hairston and Kelton, and apparently other major league teams agree.

 

I puke whenever Macias starts or is first off the bench, but I like that post.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Excellent. The dislike for certain players grows whether the do anything or not. I know I wouldn't pay to see a team made up of Choi, Hill, Cedeno, Harris, DuBois, Hairston and Kelton, and apparently other major league teams agree.

 

Since we're on the topic of grossly misrepresenting the other side of the argument, I wouldn't pay to see a team of Karros, Grudz, Neifi, Jose Hernandez, Hollandsworth, Hairston, and Macias.

[Bull]

now we're on to something.

 

These guys are marginal players. Why not let marginal prospects with upside start over them. No one would be asking to play Choi ahead of Lee, but it was stinking Karros!

[TripJ]

now we're on to something.

 

These guys are marginal players. Why not let marginal prospects with upside start over them. No one would be asking to play Choi ahead of Lee, but it was stinking Karros!

 

I dunno, there sure was a lot of angst when Choi was traded for Lee.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

now we're on to something.

 

These guys are marginal players. Why not let marginal prospects with upside start over them. No one would be asking to play Choi ahead of Lee, but it was stinking Karros!

 

I dunno, there sure was a lot of angst when Choi was traded for Lee.

 

And much of that was due to age/salary concerns. But you are right, Choi performed worse than expected, and Lee has obviously gone above and beyond anyone's expectations.