Confirmed - Rafael Palmiero tests positive.

[AlwaysaCub]

For me, a hero is someone who sacrifices his life to save others. And I'm sticking with it :) Yeah, that eliminates all sports "heroes" from the equation, but hey.

 

Didn't Chief running back Joe Delaney die trying to save a kid from drowning?

 

I don't really disagree with your base premise, that athletic achievement shouldn't be confused with heroism. But there have been plenty of sports figures who are true heroes.

 

Um, Drew Rosenhaus (sp) also saved a kids life recently, and nobody's calling him a hero.

[Coach C]

For me, a hero is someone who sacrifices his life to save others. And I'm sticking with it :) Yeah, that eliminates all sports "heroes" from the equation, but hey.

 

Didn't Chief running back Joe Delaney die trying to save a kid from drowning?

 

I don't really disagree with your base premise, that athletic achievement shouldn't be confused with heroism. But there have been plenty of sports figures who are true heroes.

 

Um, Drew Rosenhaus (sp) also saved a kids life recently, and nobody's calling him a hero.

 

He doesn't count. :wink:

[TripJ]

For me, a hero is someone who sacrifices his life to save others. And I'm sticking with it :) Yeah, that eliminates all sports "heroes" from the equation, but hey.

 

Didn't Chief running back Joe Delaney die trying to save a kid from drowning?

 

I don't really disagree with your base premise, that athletic achievement shouldn't be confused with heroism. But there have been plenty of sports figures who are true heroes.

 

Um, Drew Rosenhaus (sp) also saved a kids life recently, and nobody's calling him a hero.

 

Word is that he's also having the kid hold out of Kindergarten next year.

 

But seriously, how slimy is it to then call the media and announce to the world that you saved the kid's life?

 

Anyhoo, back to steroids...

[GaryWoods]

For me, a hero is someone who sacrifices his life to save others. And I'm sticking with it :) Yeah, that eliminates all sports "heroes" from the equation, but hey.

 

Didn't Chief running back Joe Delaney die trying to save a kid from drowning?

 

I don't really disagree with your base premise, that athletic achievement shouldn't be confused with heroism. But there have been plenty of sports figures who are true heroes.

 

Um, Drew Rosenhaus (sp) also saved a kids life recently, and nobody's calling him a hero.

 

I'd be willing to bet the kid's parents are.

 

But that's beside the point. Nobody was calling Rosenhaus a hero for anything he did before saving this kid. So his example doesn't fit the context of the discussion.

[frostwyrm]

From the front page of today's Tribune:

 

. . . a highly placed MLB source told the Tribune that Palmeiro tested positive for a "serious" steroid that could not possibly have been ingested accidentally.

 

Looks like a planned leak to counter Palmeiro's BS stories about this being an accident. I wish MLB would just come out on the record with specific details instead of leaking anonymously. Everyone who's been caught so far has claimed it was due to an accident or innocent mistake and the lies will continue until MLB starts issuing public rebuttals. It's embarassing to the sport to have these liars go unchallenged by MLB.

[JC]

For me, a hero is someone who sacrifices his life to save others. And I'm sticking with it :) Yeah, that eliminates all sports "heroes" from the equation, but hey.

 

Didn't Chief running back Joe Delaney die trying to save a kid from drowning?

 

I don't really disagree with your base premise, that athletic achievement shouldn't be confused with heroism. But there have been plenty of sports figures who are true heroes.

 

Um, Drew Rosenhaus (sp) also saved a kids life recently, and nobody's calling him a hero.

 

That is because it was at a resort pool and Rosenhaus had lifeguard training. According to the accounts I've heard, Rosenhaus never put his life or well being in peril. While his actions are admirable, they aren't heroic, IMO.

[Coach C]

For me, a hero is someone who sacrifices his life to save others. And I'm sticking with it :) Yeah, that eliminates all sports "heroes" from the equation, but hey.

 

Didn't Chief running back Joe Delaney die trying to save a kid from drowning?

 

I don't really disagree with your base premise, that athletic achievement shouldn't be confused with heroism. But there have been plenty of sports figures who are true heroes.

 

Um, Drew Rosenhaus (sp) also saved a kids life recently, and nobody's calling him a hero.

 

That is because it was at a resort pool and Rosenhaus had lifeguard training. According to the accounts I've heard, Rosenhaus never put his life or well being in peril. While his actions are admirable, they aren't heroic, IMO.

 

That's pretty much how I feel as well. I give him props for saving the kid's life though.

[gus_dog]

From the front page of today's Tribune:

 

. . . a highly placed MLB source told the Tribune that Palmeiro tested positive for a "serious" steroid that could not possibly have been ingested accidentally.

 

Looks like a planned leak to counter Palmeiro's BS stories about this being an accident. I wish MLB would just come out on the record with specific details instead of leaking anonymously. Everyone who's been caught so far has claimed it was due to an accident or innocent mistake and the lies will continue until MLB starts issuing public rebuttals. It's embarassing to the sport to have these liars go unchallenged by MLB.

 

I believe that they are restricted by law from giving specifics. Only the 'employee' can waive the right (which is theirs).

 

If you're one of those guys, would you waive your right to privacy?

[AlwaysaCub]

For me, a hero is someone who sacrifices his life to save others. And I'm sticking with it :) Yeah, that eliminates all sports "heroes" from the equation, but hey.

 

Didn't Chief running back Joe Delaney die trying to save a kid from drowning?

 

I don't really disagree with your base premise, that athletic achievement shouldn't be confused with heroism. But there have been plenty of sports figures who are true heroes.

 

Um, Drew Rosenhaus (sp) also saved a kids life recently, and nobody's calling him a hero.

 

That is because it was at a resort pool and Rosenhaus had lifeguard training. According to the accounts I've heard, Rosenhaus never put his life or well being in peril. While his actions are admirable, they aren't heroic, IMO.

 

I think that's stretching heroism a little far. Do you have to risk your life to become a hero? Because that disqualifies pretty much everyone except soldiers, policemen, and firemen. Heroes don't need to be one of those.

[cbbryan]

I wish someone would just flat out ask Raffy................

 

 

What did you test positive for?

 

How was it injested accidentally?

 

 

I'd like him to try and "compel" his fans!

[CuseCubFan69]

I wish someone would just flat out ask Raffy................

 

 

What did you test positive for?

 

How was it injested accidentally?

 

 

I'd like him to try and "compel" his fans!

 

He said he didn't know what it was. When he argued his case he could not name the item he took that had steroids in it or remember anything that it could be.

[cbbryan]

I wish someone would just flat out ask Raffy................

 

 

What did you test positive for?

 

How was it injested accidentally?

 

 

I'd like him to try and "compel" his fans!

 

He said he didn't know what it was. When he argued his case he could not name the item he took that had steroids in it or remember anything that it could be.

 

He didn't know what it was? Doesn't MLB tell you what substance you tested positive for?

 

That sounds a bit out there to me.

[CuseCubFan69]

I wish someone would just flat out ask Raffy................

 

 

What did you test positive for?

 

How was it injested accidentally?

 

 

I'd like him to try and "compel" his fans!

 

He said he didn't know what it was. When he argued his case he could not name the item he took that had steroids in it or remember anything that it could be.

 

He didn't know what it was? Doesn't MLB tell you what substance you tested positive for?

 

That sounds a bit out there to me.

 

It's in the "I got caught taking steroids 101" book that the players recieve. It worked for Sheffield.

[badgercub]

I wish someone would just flat out ask Raffy................

 

 

What did you test positive for?

 

How was it injested accidentally?

 

 

I'd like him to try and "compel" his fans!

 

He said he didn't know what it was. When he argued his case he could not name the item he took that had steroids in it or remember anything that it could be.

 

He didn't know what it was? Doesn't MLB tell you what substance you tested positive for?

 

That sounds a bit out there to me.

 

It's in the "I got caught taking steroids 101" book that the players recieve. It worked for Sheffield.

 

I believe there is something in the CBA that prevents either side from discussing the particulars. MLB need more transparency. I would think it would be in Raffy's best interest to get out and tell his "story" and defend himself against all the speculation surrounding his circumstances.

[E.J.]

Blueheart mentioned it in the game thread. Here's an article. Looks like Raffy tested positive for a "potent steroid". Obviously not something taken over the counter. What a moron.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2123113

 

Rafael Palmeiro tested positive for the potent anabolic steroid stanozolol, the same substance Olympic sprinter Ben Johnson of Canada took in 1988, The New York Times reported on its Web site Tuesday night.

 

Johnson was stripped of a gold medal in 1988 after testing positive for that steroid.

 

According to a source with direct knowledge of baseball's drug-testing program, stanozolol, known by its brand name, Winstrol, was detected in the Baltimore Orioles first baseman.

 

"It's a mildly strong to strong steroid," Dr. Gary Wadler, a professor at New York University and an expert in sports doping, told the newspaper. "Potent is the word I would use."

[erik316wttn]

Yeah, well if that's true, Raffy is in a whole heap of trouble.

 

"yeah, it was in something I took"

 

Bullcrap, cheater.

[Blueheart05]

Yeah, well if that's true, Raffy is in a whole heap of trouble.

 

"yeah, it was in something I took"

 

Bullcrap, cheater.

 

The NY Times wouldn't have printed it without a reliable source. They have a reputation to uphold.

[erik316wttn]

Yeah, well if that's true, Raffy is in a whole heap of trouble.

 

"yeah, it was in something I took"

 

Bullcrap, cheater.

 

The NY Times wouldn't have printed it without a reliable source. They have a reputation to uphold.

 

I was one of those people giving Raffy a POSSIBLE "benefit of the doubt" when he said he may have taken it and not realised it. Now I think he's full of crap.

[E.J.]

Yeah, well if that's true, Raffy is in a whole heap of trouble.

 

"yeah, it was in something I took"

 

Bullcrap, cheater.

 

The NY Times wouldn't have printed it without a reliable source. They have a reputation to uphold.

 

I was one of those people giving Raffy a POSSIBLE "benefit of the doubt" when he said he may have taken it and not realised it. Now I think he's full of crap.

 

What, you don't believe he accidentally sat on that needle??? :D

[erik316wttn]

Yeah, well if that's true, Raffy is in a whole heap of trouble.

 

"yeah, it was in something I took"

 

Bullcrap, cheater.

 

The NY Times wouldn't have printed it without a reliable source. They have a reputation to uphold.

 

I was one of those people giving Raffy a POSSIBLE "benefit of the doubt" when he said he may have taken it and not realised it. Now I think he's full of crap.

 

What, you don't believe he accidentally sat on that needle??? :D

 

Well no. My basis came from an NHL player a few years ago who inadvertantly took Sudafed for a cold and got suspended under the substance abuse program because there apparently is something performance enhancing about Sudafed.

 

I thought maybe he took a suppliment he didn't know was bad and maybe that's why it showed up. I'm an "innocent until proven guilty" kind of guy. But now if the Times is correct and this steroid wasn't in any suppliments, then it was taken intentionally and he's full of crap and I hate him.

[JGalt73]

Aren't there some meds that have illegal substances in them but aren't necessarily for what we think of steroids as being?

 

The properties in steroids that allow athletes to quickly build muscle tissue to enhance performance also work to repair damaged muscle tissue after an injury. I had to take steroids for an eye injury a few years ago, and the doctor gave my wife a shot when she went into labor early to give our daughter's organs a last-minute growth spurt. And I've had several friends who've taken them for various leg and arm problems.

So it's entirely possible that an athlete who tested positive could have a perfectly legitimate medical reason if they were rehabbing from some sort of injury.

 

But if that were the case, I think a guy would be up front about it rather than say "Gol, I don't know how them things got in there!"

 

FWIW. Corticosteroids (which are in eye drops and used orally for antiinflammatory properties) and anabolic steroids are very different chemicals. There are very few medical uses of anabolic steroids.

[sethuel1]

Yeah, well if that's true, Raffy is in a whole heap of trouble.

 

"yeah, it was in something I took"

 

Bullcrap, cheater.

 

The NY Times wouldn't have printed it without a reliable source. They have a reputation to uphold.

 

I was one of those people giving Raffy a POSSIBLE "benefit of the doubt" when he said he may have taken it and not realised it. Now I think he's full of crap.

 

What, you don't believe he accidentally sat on that needle??? :D

 

Well no. My basis came from an NHL player a few years ago who inadvertantly took Sudafed for a cold and got suspended under the substance abuse program because there apparently is something performance enhancing about Sudafed.

 

I thought maybe he took a suppliment he didn't know was bad and maybe that's why it showed up. I'm an "innocent until proven guilty" kind of guy. But now if the Times is correct and this steroid wasn't in any suppliments, then it was taken intentionally and he's full of crap and I hate him.

 

Thats a false story. Sudafed isn't banned in hockey, which is a good thing, because somewhere around a quarter of pro hockey players take Sudafed before games, since it's an upper.

 

This was a real problem during the last olympics, since Sudafed is a banned substance according to the IOC. Luckily, nobody tested positive.

[sethuel1]

as I posted in the other thread, Winstrol stays in the system detectably for 2-3 months tops, so Raffy's been juicing during the season.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

ESPN is saying the positive test actually came in May. That 2-3 month timeframe would coincide with his testimony before Congress.

[erik316wttn]

ESPN is saying the positive test actually came in May. That 2-3 month timeframe would coincide with his testimony before Congress.

 

If it came in May, how come we're just hearing about it now?