Re-Visiting Hendry As a MiddleMan for Soriano Trade

[ThePenguin11]

If the Cubs get Soriano, this board will meltdown. You need walks at the 6 spot, not a 540 slg%. :)

 

Hairston, Nomar, Lee, Burnitz, ARam, Soriano, Holla/Murton and Barrett :D

 

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. One of the last places in the lineup you need walks out of is the 6th spot. The sixth spot needs to drive in your sluggers after they get on base with the base hits and doubles. If they walk, odds are the leadoff man isn't going to have a chance to drive them in - so you have to depend on your two worst hitters and your pitcher to drive Mr. 6 in. Walks are wasted in the 6,7 and 8 spots. However the 8 hitter needs to be patient enough to wait for his pitch or else get pitched around (ala Barrett) resulting in more walks. The only place you 'need' to get walks from is the 1 and 2 hitters in your lineup - anywhere else is a bonus.

 

With all due respect, that is completely absurd. First off, how do you waste a walk? By not scoring the runner when he gets on base? Hitting w/runners on base or in scoring position is unpredictable. The more runners that get on base, the more runners will score. Simple math. At the least, a walk turns over the lineup. If the 6th hitter walks to lead off an inning and never moves, the team still leads off the next inning with the leadoff man instead of starting with what is likely to be 1-out if the non-Zambrano pitcher starts the inning. And finally, they way that lineup is constructed......Murton (so far) and Barrett aren't slouches. Those 2 combined with the pitching staff's ability to hit would mean the 6th hitter wouldn't be wasted all that much.

 

Also, you say walks only are needed from the 1-2 hitters....well, don't you realize that a player doesn't become a good 3-4 hitter unless he walks? You are basically saying that Lee and Ramirez should hit 1-2 and Patterson and Neifi could hit 3-4, because their OBP doesn't matter. The reason Lee and Ramirez are 3-4 hitters is because they have the ability to drive in runs. They have the ability to drive in runs because they are sluggers. They have the ability to slug..........BECAUSE THEY ARE SELECTIVE HITTERS! Bottom line. Walks are important anywhere in the lineup.

 

I didn't say your patient hitters (the walk guys) MUST hit 1,2. Nor did I say that walks are useless at any point in the lineup. I stated that its important to have a guy who can walk in the 8 hole - rather than be a sucker for bad pitches. My point was that you are better off having a guy who can hit doubles and homeruns - a slugger - in the sixth spot. This is so you can clean up when your big sluggers are on second base or don't get the homerun.

[CubfaninCA]

If the Cubs get Soriano, this board will meltdown. You need walks at the 6 spot, not a 540 slg%. :)

 

Hairston, Nomar, Lee, Burnitz, ARam, Soriano, Holla/Murton and Barrett :D

 

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. One of the last places in the lineup you need walks out of is the 6th spot. The sixth spot needs to drive in your sluggers after they get on base with the base hits and doubles. If they walk, odds are the leadoff man isn't going to have a chance to drive them in - so you have to depend on your two worst hitters and your pitcher to drive Mr. 6 in. Walks are wasted in the 6,7 and 8 spots. However the 8 hitter needs to be patient enough to wait for his pitch or else get pitched around (ala Barrett) resulting in more walks. The only place you 'need' to get walks from is the 1 and 2 hitters in your lineup - anywhere else is a bonus.

 

Well I like walks from 3, 4, 5 too. Those are suppose to be the guys you pay big money too to do everything. However, with Hollandsworth and Barrett at 7 and 8, I want someone who's going to hit for power at 6, and not allow Hollandsworth to continue to strand runners.

 

But isn't that what Soriano does? He's capable of 40-50 doubles and 30-40 homeruns. He's a power hitter.

 

Yes. I'd like to get him. My first post was in regard to those who hate Soriano.

[CuseCubFan69]

What about Soriano at 2B and Walker in LF?

 

And I understand his home/road splits, but I don't think they would be as pronounced as a Cub. His home numbers wouldn't be as high. But still would be pretty good. Meanwhile, I think his road numbers would be much better going from playing games in Oakland, Seattle, and Anaheim to playing in Minute Maid, Busch, GABP, Miller, and PNC.

 

Like Hoops said, I'd miss Todd. But I'd give up Walker and pitching (Rusch, Mitre ish) for Soriano and Dellucci.

 

I think that Walker loses his value if he's moved to LF. If he's at 2B he has some nice numbers but in LF he would be a below average LF IMO.

 

Wouldn't the same be true of Soriano? If they are both on the team, they both need to be in the lineup with one of them playing LF. Either way the 2B is gonna be well above average and the LF slightly below. Still LF would be upgraded immensely.

 

I always thought that Soriano had more power than Walker? I think Murton could give the same numbers as Walker in LF.

[ThePenguin11]

If the Cubs get Soriano, this board will meltdown. You need walks at the 6 spot, not a 540 slg%. :)

 

Hairston, Nomar, Lee, Burnitz, ARam, Soriano, Holla/Murton and Barrett :D

 

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. One of the last places in the lineup you need walks out of is the 6th spot. The sixth spot needs to drive in your sluggers after they get on base with the base hits and doubles. If they walk, odds are the leadoff man isn't going to have a chance to drive them in - so you have to depend on your two worst hitters and your pitcher to drive Mr. 6 in. Walks are wasted in the 6,7 and 8 spots. However the 8 hitter needs to be patient enough to wait for his pitch or else get pitched around (ala Barrett) resulting in more walks. The only place you 'need' to get walks from is the 1 and 2 hitters in your lineup - anywhere else is a bonus.

 

Well I like walks from 3, 4, 5 too. Those are suppose to be the guys you pay big money too to do everything. However, with Hollandsworth and Barrett at 7 and 8, I want someone who's going to hit for power at 6, and not allow Hollandsworth to continue to strand runners.

 

But isn't that what Soriano does? He's capable of 40-50 doubles and 30-40 homeruns. He's a power hitter.

 

Yes. I'd like to get him. My first post was in regard to those who hate Soriano.

 

AHA! Now I see.

[rawaction]

If the Cubs get Soriano, this board will meltdown. You need walks at the 6 spot, not a 540 slg%. :)

 

Hairston, Nomar, Lee, Burnitz, ARam, Soriano, Holla/Murton and Barrett :D

 

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. One of the last places in the lineup you need walks out of is the 6th spot. The sixth spot needs to drive in your sluggers after they get on base with the base hits and doubles. If they walk, odds are the leadoff man isn't going to have a chance to drive them in - so you have to depend on your two worst hitters and your pitcher to drive Mr. 6 in. Walks are wasted in the 6,7 and 8 spots. However the 8 hitter needs to be patient enough to wait for his pitch or else get pitched around (ala Barrett) resulting in more walks. The only place you 'need' to get walks from is the 1 and 2 hitters in your lineup - anywhere else is a bonus.

 

With all due respect, that is completely absurd. First off, how do you waste a walk? By not scoring the runner when he gets on base? Hitting w/runners on base or in scoring position is unpredictable. The more runners that get on base, the more runners will score. Simple math. At the least, a walk turns over the lineup. If the 6th hitter walks to lead off an inning and never moves, the team still leads off the next inning with the leadoff man instead of starting with what is likely to be 1-out if the non-Zambrano pitcher starts the inning. And finally, they way that lineup is constructed......Murton (so far) and Barrett aren't slouches. Those 2 combined with the pitching staff's ability to hit would mean the 6th hitter wouldn't be wasted all that much.

 

Also, you say walks only are needed from the 1-2 hitters....well, don't you realize that a player doesn't become a good 3-4 hitter unless he walks? You are basically saying that Lee and Ramirez should hit 1-2 and Patterson and Neifi could hit 3-4, because their OBP doesn't matter. The reason Lee and Ramirez are 3-4 hitters is because they have the ability to drive in runs. They have the ability to drive in runs because they are sluggers. They have the ability to slug..........BECAUSE THEY ARE SELECTIVE HITTERS! Bottom line. Walks are important anywhere in the lineup.

 

I didn't say your patient hitters (the walk guys) MUST hit 1,2. Nor did I say that walks are useless at any point in the lineup. I stated that its important to have a guy who can walk in the 8 hole - rather than be a sucker for bad pitches. My point was that you are better off having a guy who can hit doubles and homeruns - a slugger - in the sixth spot. This is so you can clean up when your big sluggers are on second base or don't get the homerun.

 

Sorry, I misread a little what you said. But not by much. You can't just say walks are wasted. Because it's not true. I'd even argue that they are equally important everywhere in the lineup. And it's not that I'm all about walks. The point is to not make outs. A walk means the the guy didn't make an out, which means the team has a better chance to score.

 

I think too many people around here tend to think that the Cubs need to play more small ball or need speed or need situational hitting to score. That's just not true. The team needs to get on base. Everyone in baseball will fail the vast majority of the time with runners on base. The key is to get those runners on in the first place to benefit from the 27% of the time the team actually does get a hit.

 

A walk isn't wasted regardless of what happens to that player. If it brings up 1 more hitter with 1 more chance to score a run.....it was a great thing.

[rawaction]

What about Soriano at 2B and Walker in LF?

 

And I understand his home/road splits, but I don't think they would be as pronounced as a Cub. His home numbers wouldn't be as high. But still would be pretty good. Meanwhile, I think his road numbers would be much better going from playing games in Oakland, Seattle, and Anaheim to playing in Minute Maid, Busch, GABP, Miller, and PNC.

 

Like Hoops said, I'd miss Todd. But I'd give up Walker and pitching (Rusch, Mitre ish) for Soriano and Dellucci.

 

I think that Walker loses his value if he's moved to LF. If he's at 2B he has some nice numbers but in LF he would be a below average LF IMO.

 

Wouldn't the same be true of Soriano? If they are both on the team, they both need to be in the lineup with one of them playing LF. Either way the 2B is gonna be well above average and the LF slightly below. Still LF would be upgraded immensely.

 

I always thought that Soriano had more power than Walker? I think Murton could give the same numbers as Walker in LF.

 

That's not the point, though. What difference does it make if you are gonna have an above 2B and below average LF who plays where? You are still getting the same production. Obviously, I'd look to upgrade LF next year, with a league average or better producer, but if the Cubs can't get a LF this year and can only get Soriano....then they shouldn't pass it up because they will have a below average bat in LF (they already do).

 

Also, I don't see Murton slugging .480 as Walker is, without hitting .330. He may get on base as much, but he won't hit for that much power. I don't see Murton as much more than an .800 OPS guy in the next couple years.

[CubfaninCA]

How would the defense be w/ Walker in LF and Hairston and CF??

 

I'd rather see Patterson brought up and go w/ Hairston in LF and Patterson in CF. Use Walker to get Soriano. Walker's probably due to breakdown any day now anyway.

[CuseCubFan69]

What about Soriano at 2B and Walker in LF?

 

And I understand his home/road splits, but I don't think they would be as pronounced as a Cub. His home numbers wouldn't be as high. But still would be pretty good. Meanwhile, I think his road numbers would be much better going from playing games in Oakland, Seattle, and Anaheim to playing in Minute Maid, Busch, GABP, Miller, and PNC.

 

Like Hoops said, I'd miss Todd. But I'd give up Walker and pitching (Rusch, Mitre ish) for Soriano and Dellucci.

 

I think that Walker loses his value if he's moved to LF. If he's at 2B he has some nice numbers but in LF he would be a below average LF IMO.

 

Wouldn't the same be true of Soriano? If they are both on the team, they both need to be in the lineup with one of them playing LF. Either way the 2B is gonna be well above average and the LF slightly below. Still LF would be upgraded immensely.

 

I always thought that Soriano had more power than Walker? I think Murton could give the same numbers as Walker in LF.

 

 

 

That's not the point, though. What difference does it make if you are gonna have an above 2B and below average LF who plays where? You are still getting the same production. Obviously, I'd look to upgrade LF next year, with a league average or better producer, but if the Cubs can't get a LF this year and can only get Soriano....then they shouldn't pass it up because they will have a below average bat in LF (they already do).

 

Also, I don't see Murton slugging .480 as Walker is, without hitting .330. He may get on base as much, but he won't hit for that much power. I don't see Murton as much more than an .800 OPS guy in the next couple years.

 

I see Murton as a 15 HR guy with a high OBP and he would be a lot cheaper than having Walker out there. I'd look into dealing Walker if I were the Cubs if they do aquire Soriano to improve the team somewhere else.....maybe in a big package to get an impact LF.

[CubfaninCA]

So is Murton basically a 2 hitter??

[ChiCubsFan]

So is Murton basically a 2 hitter??

 

I think thats where he fits in best. He could probably also lead off. If his power develops he could be moved down in the order but with his skill set right now he looks best in the 2 hole.

[MattyJLCC]

Two baseball officials close to the talks said discussions yesterday focused on Mets right-hander Aaron Heilman and Double-A Binghampton right-hander Yusmeiro Petit, but that the Mets might prefer to deal right-hander Victor Zambrano rather than Heilman.

 

From an article @ the Jersey Star Ledger refering to the Mets and Rangers working out a deal for Soriano. If the Rangers are wanting 1 ML ready pitcher and 1 good Prospect, we could easily assemble something along those lines to make a deal happen.

 

I like the idea of plugging Soriano into 2nd Base and using walker in LF or even as a ph off the bench and knocking Neifi down on the depth chart a little bit.

 

I have a hard time seeing the Cubs make a major move for an OF bat that will be helpful for the future unless it's a player that could shift to RF after Burnitz leaves. It seems as though the Cubs may be content with Murton in LF for the future, and Pie seems to be the CF answer of the future, leaving only RF open for any kind of trade that would be for an impact player for the following few years.

 

In addition, I'm still hopeful that C-Pat turns it around at some point. If this is the case, we could possibly be looking at a 2006 OF of Murton (LF), Pie (CF), and Patterson (RF). I think that a future OF of that makes the addition of a guy like Soriano at 2B a huge addition. 2B seems to be one of the only positions on this team that we do not have any major pieces fitting for the future few years. Soriano could fill that space well.

 

How 'bout a lineup like this for 2006?

 

Pie

Murton

Lee

Aram

Soriano

Cedeno/Nomar?

Patterson

Barrett

Pitcher

[CubfaninCA]

Two baseball officials close to the talks said discussions yesterday focused on Mets right-hander Aaron Heilman and Double-A Binghampton right-hander Yusmeiro Petit, but that the Mets might prefer to deal right-hander Victor Zambrano rather than Heilman.

 

From an article @ the Jersey Star Ledger refering to the Mets and Rangers working out a deal for Soriano. If the Rangers are wanting 1 ML ready pitcher and 1 good Prospect, we could easily assemble something along those lines to make a deal happen.

 

I like the idea of plugging Soriano into 2nd Base and using walker in LF or even as a ph off the bench and knocking Neifi down on the depth chart a little bit.

 

I have a hard time seeing the Cubs make a major move for an OF bat that will be helpful for the future unless it's a player that could shift to RF after Burnitz leaves. It seems as though the Cubs may be content with Murton in LF for the future, and Pie seems to be the CF answer of the future, leaving only RF open for any kind of trade that would be for an impact player for the following few years.

 

In addition, I'm still hopeful that C-Pat turns it around at some point. If this is the case, we could possibly be looking at a 2006 OF of Murton (LF), Pie (CF), and Patterson (RF). I think that a future OF of that makes the addition of a guy like Soriano at 2B a huge addition. 2B seems to be one of the only positions on this team that we do not have any major pieces fitting for the future few years. Soriano could fill that space well.

 

How 'bout a lineup like this for 2006?

 

Pie

Murton

Lee

Aram

Soriano

Cedeno/Nomar?

Patterson

Barrett

Pitcher

 

What Cub pitchers are comparable to those Met pitchers?? I'd like to see something like Patterson, Walker, Rusch and a prospect for Soriano and Delucci...

 

Lineup:

Hairston

Dellucci/Murton

Lee

Burnitz

ARam

Soriano

Nomar

Barrett

 

Can always switch Dellucci and Nomar too.

 

As for next year, sign Giles and have..

 

Hairston

Dellucci/Murton

Giles

Lee

ARam

Soriano

Cedeno

Barrett

 

I'd like to see Murton play everyday, but given the manager, can only hope for a platoon.

[MattyJLCC]

 

...What Cub pitchers are comparable to those Met pitchers?? I'd like to see something like Patterson, Walker, Rusch and a prospect for Soriano and Delucci...

 

I think that Mitre would be a similar player to the likes of Heilman - they both have a limited amount of ML experience over the past 3 years (Heilman with a little more starting experience as the Cubs have used Mitre out of the pen quite a bit), both show promise, but to this point have consistantly high ERA's and have not put it all together.

 

Im not completely sure what kind of pitcher Petit projects to be, although I cant think that we don't have someone of equivelance in our plethora of pitching in the minors. Possibly send them Rusch and Mitre even?

 

 

As for Dellucci, I dont think he's anything near a long term help for this team. As a 31 yr old journeyman who has put together 1 decent season, I dont see him as anything this team would want or need. He'd be another Holly, Grieve, Neifi, etc... a decent player off the bench but not someone who's going to make an impact in a starting role for years to come. We do not need anymore good bench players clogging our starting lineup.

[CubfaninCA]

 

...What Cub pitchers are comparable to those Met pitchers?? I'd like to see something like Patterson, Walker, Rusch and a prospect for Soriano and Delucci...

 

I think that Mitre would be a similar player to the likes of Heilman - they both have a limited amount of ML experience over the past 3 years (Heilman with a little more starting experience as the Cubs have used Mitre out of the pen quite a bit), both show promise, but to this point have consistantly high ERA's and have not put it all together.

 

Im not completely sure what kind of pitcher Petit projects to be, although I cant think that we don't have someone of equivelance in our plethora of pitching in the minors. Possibly send them Rusch and Mitre even?

 

 

As for Dellucci, I dont think he's anything near a long term help for this team. As a 31 yr old journeyman who has put together 1 decent season, I dont see him as anything this team would want or need. He'd be another Holly, Grieve, Neifi, etc... a decent player off the bench but not someone who's going to make an impact in a starting role for years to come. We do not need anymore good bench players clogging our starting lineup.

 

I'd like Dellucci's .400 obp in front of Lee, and he's only signed for 1 more year, and he's not an expensive player.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

...What Cub pitchers are comparable to those Met pitchers?? I'd like to see something like Patterson, Walker, Rusch and a prospect for Soriano and Delucci...

 

I think that Mitre would be a similar player to the likes of Heilman - they both have a limited amount of ML experience over the past 3 years (Heilman with a little more starting experience as the Cubs have used Mitre out of the pen quite a bit), both show promise, but to this point have consistantly high ERA's and have not put it all together.

 

Im not completely sure what kind of pitcher Petit projects to be, although I cant think that we don't have someone of equivelance in our plethora of pitching in the minors. Possibly send them Rusch and Mitre even?

 

 

As for Dellucci, I dont think he's anything near a long term help for this team. As a 31 yr old journeyman who has put together 1 decent season, I dont see him as anything this team would want or need. He'd be another Holly, Grieve, Neifi, etc... a decent player off the bench but not someone who's going to make an impact in a starting role for years to come. We do not need anymore good bench players clogging our starting lineup.

 

I'd like Dellucci's .400 obp in front of Lee, and he's only signed for 1 more year, and he's not an expensive player.

 

Also, on the topic of Dellucci being a journeyman with a decent season. Dellucci had laser eye surgery that he credits his improvement this year. He's right around his career AVG and SLG, but his improved vision has lead to many more walks, making him more valuable. I'd definitely take him.

 

Soriano, on the other hand, I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole because of his road production, salary, and player cost.

[HoopsCubs]

Also, on the topic of Dellucci being a journeyman with a decent season. Dellucci had laser eye surgery that he credits his improvement this year. He's right around his career AVG and SLG, but his improved vision has lead to many more walks, making him more valuable. I'd definitely take him.

 

Soriano, on the other hand, I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole because of his road production, salary, and player cost.

 

CP,

 

On gut instinct alone, I like the idea of getting both Dellucci and Soriano, but it's hard to refute your numbers on Soriano's road performance, so I can understand why you'd like the Cubs to stay away from him.

 

Another point on Dellucci: he's being actively pursued by both the Astros and Cardinals. I think the Cards are being more aggressive because of Sanders and Walker being on the DL, but the Astros could provide the pitching that the Rangers seek too. I f the Cubs get him, that means neither of those teams can. That's huge when you consider his OBP, and the fact that we still have 10 and 11 games respectively with those 2 clubs.

[CubfaninCA]

 

...What Cub pitchers are comparable to those Met pitchers?? I'd like to see something like Patterson, Walker, Rusch and a prospect for Soriano and Delucci...

 

I think that Mitre would be a similar player to the likes of Heilman - they both have a limited amount of ML experience over the past 3 years (Heilman with a little more starting experience as the Cubs have used Mitre out of the pen quite a bit), both show promise, but to this point have consistantly high ERA's and have not put it all together.

 

Im not completely sure what kind of pitcher Petit projects to be, although I cant think that we don't have someone of equivelance in our plethora of pitching in the minors. Possibly send them Rusch and Mitre even?

 

 

As for Dellucci, I dont think he's anything near a long term help for this team. As a 31 yr old journeyman who has put together 1 decent season, I dont see him as anything this team would want or need. He'd be another Holly, Grieve, Neifi, etc... a decent player off the bench but not someone who's going to make an impact in a starting role for years to come. We do not need anymore good bench players clogging our starting lineup.

 

I'd like Dellucci's .400 obp in front of Lee, and he's only signed for 1 more year, and he's not an expensive player.

 

Also, on the topic of Dellucci being a journeyman with a decent season. Dellucci had laser eye surgery that he credits his improvement this year. He's right around his career AVG and SLG, but his improved vision has lead to many more walks, making him more valuable. I'd definitely take him.

 

Soriano, on the other hand, I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole because of his road production, salary, and player cost.

 

He had .860 road ops from 2002-2004. Perhaps if you didn't have such a bias, you'd point to this and the fact that he plays in some pitcher parks in the AL West. My guess is that he'd do pretty good in Cincy, Houston and Wrigley. Milwaukee's a hitter's park too right??

[CubfaninCA]

Houston's the team to beat for the wildcard and the Cubs have 7 more games in Houston. I'd sure like to have Soriano for those games.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

...What Cub pitchers are comparable to those Met pitchers?? I'd like to see something like Patterson, Walker, Rusch and a prospect for Soriano and Delucci...

 

I think that Mitre would be a similar player to the likes of Heilman - they both have a limited amount of ML experience over the past 3 years (Heilman with a little more starting experience as the Cubs have used Mitre out of the pen quite a bit), both show promise, but to this point have consistantly high ERA's and have not put it all together.

 

Im not completely sure what kind of pitcher Petit projects to be, although I cant think that we don't have someone of equivelance in our plethora of pitching in the minors. Possibly send them Rusch and Mitre even?

 

 

As for Dellucci, I dont think he's anything near a long term help for this team. As a 31 yr old journeyman who has put together 1 decent season, I dont see him as anything this team would want or need. He'd be another Holly, Grieve, Neifi, etc... a decent player off the bench but not someone who's going to make an impact in a starting role for years to come. We do not need anymore good bench players clogging our starting lineup.

 

I'd like Dellucci's .400 obp in front of Lee, and he's only signed for 1 more year, and he's not an expensive player.

 

Also, on the topic of Dellucci being a journeyman with a decent season. Dellucci had laser eye surgery that he credits his improvement this year. He's right around his career AVG and SLG, but his improved vision has lead to many more walks, making him more valuable. I'd definitely take him.

 

Soriano, on the other hand, I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole because of his road production, salary, and player cost.

 

He had .860 road ops from 2002-2004. Perhaps if you didn't have such a bias, you'd point to this and the fact that he plays in some pitcher parks in the AL West. My guess is that he'd do pretty good in Cincy, Houston and Wrigley. Milwaukee's a hitter's park too right??

 

In 2002 he played for the Yankees, and was 26 years old, while now he's approaching 30 and playing half his games in a hitter's paradise. Sure Seattle and Oakland have pitchers parks, but the point is that he's playing half his games in a heavy hitters park, and road games are closer to a park neutral selection. Soriano isn't much of an upgrade over Walker, if at all, we've been over the numbers before. Texas is asking for a ton for Soriano, and he'll be a free agent after next year after he makes upwards of 10 million next year. I don't think that's worth it for a marginal(if that) upgrade.

[CubfaninCA]

What do you think he's worth??

 

Of the remaining 60 games, 31 are at home. 7 at Houston. 3 at Colorado. 3 at Milwaukee. 3 at Pitt. 3 at Philly. 3 at NY. 4 at SF. 3 at StL.

 

I'm not sure if Pittsburgh or SF are hitter's parks now, but it looks like nearly 75% of the games will be in hitter's park. I don't think his poor road splits will be too big of factor. They can always deal him in the offseason too.

[Flames24Rulz]

Bruce Levine just said on ESPN 1000 that the Cubs and Rangers are "talking" about a possible deal with Soriano being the centerpiece and having him move to LF. Of course everyone knows that Texas wanted him to move to the OF earlier and he was not pleased with the Rangers at all for that.

 

imagine a lineup like this though for the rest of the year:

 

Hairston

Walker

Lee

ARam

Soriano

Nomar

Burnitz

Barrett

 

i'd take that.

[LoneStarCubFan]

Someone posted on another thread that Soriano was going to NY for Mike Cameron. I'm watching the 6 p.m. sports here and they haven't said anything about it.

[Flames24Rulz]

Someone posted on another thread that Soriano was going to NY for Mike Cameron. I'm watching the 6 p.m. sports here and they haven't said anything about it.

 

yeah i heard about that too...took me by surprise when Levine said that though.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Someone posted on another thread that Soriano was going to NY for Mike Cameron. I'm watching the 6 p.m. sports here and they haven't said anything about it.

 

That was me relaying the Will Carroll rumor. Here's the update on it:

 

"The Alfonso Soriano rumors are still swirling and a few sharks are starting to nibble around the edges. The Twins are rumored to be looking despite this being completely opposite the type of deal they've ever done. The Mets are still the likely location but as the Rangers solidify themselves as a seller, they're likely to get more creative offers."

[bmkhawk]

If the Cubs get Soriano, this board will meltdown. You need walks at the 6 spot, not a 540 slg%. :)

 

Hairston, Nomar, Lee, Burnitz, ARam, Soriano, Holla/Murton and Barrett :D

 

Look at his splits, THAT is why the board would melt down. His slugging is nice, yes. But he doesnt do jack crap outside of texas.

 

Yeah, he didn't do much in Yankee stadium either.

 

/sarcasm