A couple inquires by the Cubs....

[nolanwood]

"The Chicago Sun-Times' Mike Kiley reports the Chicago Cubs continue to inquire about Cincinnati Reds OF Austin Kearns, but they have taken him off the market."

 

 

"The Chicago Sun-Times' Mike Kiley reports the Chicago Cubs are in hot pursuit of Florida Marlins OF Juan Pierre. But the Cubs have denied such reports."

[Stomper90]

"The Chicago Sun-Times' Mike Kiley reports the Chicago Cubs are in hot pursuit of Florida Marlins OF Juan Pierre. But the Cubs have denied such reports."

 

I would foam at the mouth for Pierre! Kearns, I would not.

 

Pierre is everything I want out of a leadoff guy.. Wheels and slap stick hitting.

 

Anyone know his career stats at Wrigley?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Anyone know his career stats at Wrigley?

 

I don't recall exactly, but they are very very very bad. Like worse than Neifi and Corey in their slumps bad.

 

I will be disappointed if we get Kearns or Pierre for anything less than peanuts.

[badger1679666666]

Please not Pierre. For the love of God, please not pierre. Hairston's OBP is 40 points above Pierres.

 

Mike Kiley is an idiot too. So, that makes me feel better.

[badger1679666666]

Anyone know his career stats at Wrigley?

 

I don't recall exactly, but they are very very very bad. Like worse than Neifi and Corey in their slumps bad.

 

I will be disappointed if we get Kearns or Pierre for anything less than peanuts.

 

I agree with you about Pierre, but Kearns has HUGE upside potentials.

[Roast]

 

Pierre is everything I want out of a leadoff guy

 

 

Are you kidding? he has a .318 OBP this year. (his career is admittadly better though)

[hawkeyecub]

I don't want anything to do with Pierre considering what we would have to give up and what we would have to pay him next year.

 

On the other hand I'm apparently one of the few around here who is still big on Kearns. He would come much cheaper than Dunn, and would be paid much less than Dunn. He doesn't have the power Adam does, but still has a great walk rate, strikes out a little less, can hit for a higher average and is better defensively.

[Outshined_One]

Kearns would be a nice consolation prize if the Cubs don't get Dunn.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Anyone know his career stats at Wrigley?

 

I don't recall exactly, but they are very very very bad. Like worse than Neifi and Corey in their slumps bad.

 

I will be disappointed if we get Kearns or Pierre for anything less than peanuts.

 

I agree with you about Pierre, but Kearns has HUGE upside potentials.

 

He has great minor league numbers, but his big season was a fluke, and he's gone downhill since then. I'd take him for nothing, cause he still has some potential, but I wouldn't count on him for anything.

[nolanwood]

The upside to all of this - including the most recent Dunn rumor (whether true or not) - is that Hendry is seriously looking to improve this team.

 

:)

[10man]

Hendry is ALWAYS looking to improve this team.

Whether he succeeds or not is another matter.

[hawkeyecub]

He has great minor league numbers, but his big season was a fluke, and he's gone downhill since then. I'd take him for nothing, cause he still has some potential, but I wouldn't count on him for anything.

 

He's also been hampered by injuries and a lack of playing time in that crowded Reds' outfield.

Even though he may have had some luck in that 2002 season, he still put up those monster numbers as a 22 year old in the majors. In 2003 he still put up solid numbers for half a season when you consider he was only 23. He hit .264/.364/.455 with 15 HR and 58 RBI in just 82 games.

 

He's extremely talented, still young and has more than just "some potential" in my opinion.

[CubinNY]

There is already one stinking thread about Pierre. Do we need another one??

[TheDude]

Why is it when considering trades people sometimes consider only current season, while other times consider career numbers (usually to sway an opinion)?

 

Pierre is not a bad lead-off guy just because he had a slow 1st half. He has demonstrated an excellent OBP for several years (with 2002 being an off-year) and is widely regarded as one of the finest small-ball players in the league.

 

Likewise kearns is not a bad future investment for the same reason CP is not for other teams.

 

I'd be ecstatic to have Pierre or Kearns. Keeps the team young and talented.

[Cubzfan64]

Anyone know his career stats at Wrigley?

 

I don't recall exactly, but they are very very very bad. Like worse than Neifi and Corey in their slumps bad.

 

I will be disappointed if we get Kearns or Pierre for anything less than peanuts.

 

yah, those 31 or so at bats he's had in Wrigley field are certainly enough to assume that would be his career numbers if playing here :roll:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Anyone know his career stats at Wrigley?

 

I don't recall exactly, but they are very very very bad. Like worse than Neifi and Corey in their slumps bad.

 

I will be disappointed if we get Kearns or Pierre for anything less than peanuts.

 

yah, those 31 or so at bats he's had in Wrigley field are certainly enough to assume that would be his career numbers if playing here :roll:

 

When did I say that? He asked a question and I answered it.

[johnnyba99]

Anyone know his career stats at Wrigley?

 

I don't recall exactly, but they are very very very bad. Like worse than Neifi and Corey in their slumps bad.

 

I will be disappointed if we get Kearns or Pierre for anything less than peanuts.

 

yah, those 31 or so at bats he's had in Wrigley field are certainly enough to assume that would be his career numbers if playing here :roll:

 

When did I say that? He asked a question and I answered it.

 

Not advocating one way or another on Pierre, but career at Wrigley (61 AB's) .279/.343/.361, 17 hits, 13 runs, 5 BB, 4 K's, 6 SB, 0 CS. Interestingly enough, his career split in day games is .346/.395/.430.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Anyone know his career stats at Wrigley?

 

I don't recall exactly, but they are very very very bad. Like worse than Neifi and Corey in their slumps bad.

 

I will be disappointed if we get Kearns or Pierre for anything less than peanuts.

 

yah, those 31 or so at bats he's had in Wrigley field are certainly enough to assume that would be his career numbers if playing here :roll:

 

When did I say that? He asked a question and I answered it.

 

Not advocating one way or another on Pierre, but career at Wrigley (61 AB's) .279/.343/.361, 17 hits, 13 runs, 5 BB, 4 K's, 6 SB, 0 CS. Interestingly enough, his career split in day games is .346/.395/.430.

 

Hmm, that's different than the numbers I saw earlier. I didn't look it up so I have no idea if it was right or not. Thanks for posting them.

[forbez18]

he has also been picking it up as of late. I would love to get that speedy leadoff hitter to take some of the attention off D. Lee when he is up and make even a few more mistake pitches to him. I threat on the basses is something that the Cubs do not have right now, and something that is highly underestimated (whitesox).

[XZero771679666304]

he has also been picking it up as of late. I would love to get that speedy leadoff hitter to take some of the attention off D. Lee when he is up and make even a few more mistake pitches to him. I threat on the basses is something that the Cubs do not have right now, and something that is highly underestimated (whitesox).

 

If Pierre didn't get nailed in a third of his SB attempts, I might be more interested. Or if he had a decent OBP this year. Or had some power, or a throwing arm.

[Chocolate Milk]

Why is it when considering trades people sometimes consider only current season, while other times consider career numbers (usually to sway an opinion)?

 

Pierre is not a bad lead-off guy just because he had a slow 1st half. He has demonstrated an excellent OBP for several years (with 2002 being an off-year) and is widely regarded as one of the finest small-ball players in the league.

 

Likewise kearns is not a bad future investment for the same reason CP is not for other teams.

 

I'd be ecstatic to have Pierre or Kearns. Keeps the team young and talented.

 

Good question. I was wondering the same thing. Where it comes to players like Nefi, everyone assumes (rightly) that they will return to their career norms. However, with Pierre, everyone points to his low OBP this year. I think it's accurate to assume he'd be more likely to end this season acheiving his career average of .356 rather than continuing at .318.

 

In terms of the Caugh Stealing, I have a question. I heard that the cutoff of where stealing hurts or helps is 70%. Is that right? If so, Pierre, for his career, is at 74%, which would be slightly above that cutoff.

Edited July 20, 2005 by Chocolate Milk

[hawkeyecub]

If Pierre didn't get nailed in a third of his SB attempts, I might be more interested. Or if he had a decent OBP this year. Or had some power, or a throwing arm.

 

A third? That's a bit of an exaggeration. For his career Pierre is a 74% base stealer and this year he's at 80%.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why is it when considering trades people sometimes consider only current season, while other times consider career numbers (usually to sway an opinion)?

 

Pierre is not a bad lead-off guy just because he had a slow 1st half. He has demonstrated an excellent OBP for several years (with 2002 being an off-year) and is widely regarded as one of the finest small-ball players in the league.

 

Likewise kearns is not a bad future investment for the same reason CP is not for other teams.

 

I'd be ecstatic to have Pierre or Kearns. Keeps the team young and talented.

 

Good question. I was wondering the same thing. Where it comes to players like Nefi, everyone assumes (rightly) that they will return to their career norms. However, with Pierre, everyone points to his low OBP this year. I think it's accurate to assume he's be more likely to end this season acheiving his career average of .356 rather than continuing at .318.

 

In terms of the Caugh Stealing, I have a question. I heard that the cutoff from where stealing hurts or helps is 70%. Pierre, for his career, is at 74%, which would be slightly above that cutoff.

 

Pierre

 

2000: 7/13 53.8%

2001: 46/63 73.0%

2002: 47/59 79.6%

2003: 65/85 76.8%

2004: 45/69 65.2%

2005: 28/35 80.0%

[XZero771679666304]

If Pierre didn't get nailed in a third of his SB attempts, I might be more interested. Or if he had a decent OBP this year. Or had some power, or a throwing arm.

 

A third? That's a bit of an exaggeration. For his career Pierre is a 74% base stealer and this year he's at 80%.

 

A slight exaggeration. That's still 10% less than a player like Podsednik, and his OBP still stinks this year. At this point, we're better off with what we have now, especially considering what the Marlins would want for him.

[Chocolate Milk]

Why is it when considering trades people sometimes consider only current season, while other times consider career numbers (usually to sway an opinion)?

 

Pierre is not a bad lead-off guy just because he had a slow 1st half. He has demonstrated an excellent OBP for several years (with 2002 being an off-year) and is widely regarded as one of the finest small-ball players in the league.

 

Likewise kearns is not a bad future investment for the same reason CP is not for other teams.

 

I'd be ecstatic to have Pierre or Kearns. Keeps the team young and talented.

 

Good question. I was wondering the same thing. Where it comes to players like Nefi, everyone assumes (rightly) that they will return to their career norms. However, with Pierre, everyone points to his low OBP this year. I think it's accurate to assume he's be more likely to end this season acheiving his career average of .356 rather than continuing at .318.

 

In terms of the Caugh Stealing, I have a question. I heard that the cutoff from where stealing hurts or helps is 70%. Pierre, for his career, is at 74%, which would be slightly above that cutoff.

 

Pierre

 

2000: 7/13 53.8%

2001: 46/63 73.0%

2002: 47/59 79.6%

2003: 65/85 76.8%

2004: 45/69 65.2%

2005: 28/35 80.0%

 

Is that right? 70% is the cutoff?