Cubs real close to getting Dunn (Shot down by Bruce Miles)

[CUBZ99]

The Reds radio broadcast and Miles gave the same info, and that still is not enough?

 

 

I'm working at the game and I can't linger, but I can tell you no such deal has been offered or accepted by anybody. The Cubs would not trade Hill straight up for Dunn, let alone offer additional players. This deal is not happening. But it's always fun to speculate.

 

Nothing is hot at the moment. The Cubs would love Kearns, but they can't find a match. The Reds aren't the easiest team with which to deal, especially within the division. Nothing on Pierre. Everybody's looking for relief help. Hendry's got nothing imminent there. Talk to you guys soon.

 

Just to recap...

 

McCoy said it was not straight up Dunn for Hill, but Dunn for Hill, CP and Mitre.

 

Maybe both were offered. The nature of news is fluid and ever-changing after all.

 

They are both saying the same thing, except Bruce Miles put it more straight forward.

 

If they wouldn't trade Hill for Dunn straight up there is no way they would add players to the deal. It is the same thing, just put two different ways.

[satxcubfan]

I, myself am curious as to what got SE banned. If for anything but something blatent or derogatory, I will have to cry Bull! What makes a person with 10,000+ posts more credible than someone with 20? It's not like the majority of the 10k posts were informative to begin with considering most posts are racked up talking about who got a hit or who didnt in a game thread. Smells too much like Elitism to me and it stinks! I hate to say that, considering I've been on this site since it's inception and use it as a bible for info practiacally. I just don't see what was wrong with any of his/her posts (and I too, have been following page by page). But hey, just an observation, not trying to ruffle feathers :wink:

 

Lets disect the post:

 

OK, I have something to report regarding the Cubs and Reds working out a possible deal for Adam Dunn. Before I post it, I just want to say that yes, I am a new poster here and this is my first post, and I know how a lot of times you will see people come on boards across the internet and report a false news item in order to get people's hopes up and then have a laugh at it. This is NOT my intention at all.

 

So basically trying to make himself seem genuine in order to get people to actually believe his post. Even if he is a troll, wouldn't he put a disclaimer up to protect himself because he knows we are all smart enough to not take everyone at their word?

 

I've been on the ESPN and Cubs.com boards and I know how annoying trolls can be when they do that kind of stuff...I would NEVER do that.

 

Yet he only produced one name that he used at ESPN, and he said he only "lurked there" and barely posted.

 

I have a friend who works for the Cincinnati Reds. This guy isn't exactly a high-ranking official for the Reds or anything like that

 

Who is he? The janitor? The assistant to the traveling secertary? How does someone other then a high-ranking official know about a trade that hasn't even been completed? Did they send out a memo to all the employees that they were about to trade their marquee name to the team they are in the middle of playing?

 

and I might add that he has been right on a few of the Reds moves in the past. He told me Austin Kearns would be demoted a few hours before it became official, and also knew about the Reds inking Joe Randa to a contact a day before that happened, so I consider him very reliable..

 

Doesn't his friend have anything better to do then find out transactions a mere hours before they are revealed and tell them to supposed Cubs fans? "Hey man, I know you are a Cubs fan and all, but I figured I'd let you know that THE joe randa is signing with the reds. I figured you should know a few hours before you read it as a blurb at the bottom of the daily transactions page.

 

he hasn't been wrong yet. I talked to him a couple hours ago, and I am so pumped because of what he told me, I could hardly believe it. He says he has heard that there is a deal between the Reds and Cubs that should be completed and should become official within the next 48 hours.

 

again, a low ranking official is giving 48 hour notice about a trade, and violates a confidentiality agreement I'm sure he signed before working, to tell his Cub fan friend so that he could post it all over the internet

 

Here is what the deal will be:

 

The Cubs get: Adam Dunn

The Reds get: Corey Patterson, Rich Hill, Sergio Mitre

 

Again, I know some people might not believe this since I'm a new poster, but I would NEVER make anything up like this, I just don't troll. If I end up being wrong, the mods can ban me if they feel the need to, but my source said he is certain this will go down, and he hasn't been wrong before, so there's no doubt in my mind it'll happen.

 

 

Sure, you knew you were going to get banned anyways.

 

C'mon guys, I understand the excitement, but how can you take a guy at his word and make a 30+ page thread spewing over the possibility of Dunn. I understand what your saying satex, but isnt someone making his first post FAR MORE LIKELY to be feeding us hogwash then someone with 10,000 plus non-bannable posts?

 

 

While what you dissected may disprove this poster's potential credibility, the fact is that he/she made a compelling statement that could still ring true (why would hendry or o'brien say anything backing this up beforehand?) this, along with the personnel moves the Reds made today somewhat makes it seem credible. We really won't know until the trade deadline. There are too many variables to consider to back up the "48 hour" timeframe originally reported.

 

I guess I'm trying to keep an open mind concerning this thread. Until, it's officially shot out of the water for good.

Edited July 21, 2005 by satxcubfan

[CUBZ99]

Bruce Miles, who is the only one we've mentioned in this thread that talkes to Jim Hendry (including that old fart Reds announcer) said that this "deal" was made up.

 

What else is there to say? I mean, obviously ZZ is going to go against the flow, because that's how he gets his kicks, but for the rest of us, I'd think Miles info should be enough.

 

All these attempts at character assassination... tsk tsk.

 

I'm not starting any rumors - I just posted the facts. There's the Miles info and the McCoy info and they conflict. It'll all come out in the wash....

 

 

The Reds radio broadcast and Miles gave the same info, and that still is not enough?

 

Columbus and ZZ give differing accounts. If I've kept it straight, Columbus on TV heard Hendry talk with Brenneman with Hendry saying the price was too steep for the Cubs. ZZ heard on the radio the converse, saying the price was too steep for the Reds. I think I've followed that, basically a bunch of misinformation and he said she said, nothing out of the ordinary given baseball trade talk near the deadline, especially with Hendry.

 

Columbus heard it on the radio along with his wife and was sure that they said the Cubs said the price was too steep. This is lock step with what Bruce Miles said. I don't see where the differnce is?

[nilodnayr]

The Reds radio broadcast and Miles gave the same info, and that still is not enough?

 

 

I'm working at the game and I can't linger, but I can tell you no such deal has been offered or accepted by anybody. The Cubs would not trade Hill straight up for Dunn, let alone offer additional players. This deal is not happening. But it's always fun to speculate.

 

Nothing is hot at the moment. The Cubs would love Kearns, but they can't find a match. The Reds aren't the easiest team with which to deal, especially within the division. Nothing on Pierre. Everybody's looking for relief help. Hendry's got nothing imminent there. Talk to you guys soon.

 

Just to recap...

 

McCoy said it was not straight up Dunn for Hill, but Dunn for Hill, CP and Mitre.

 

Maybe both were offered. The nature of news is fluid and ever-changing after all.

 

ZZ, I interpreted the comment regarding Hendry wouldnt even do a straight up Dunn for Hill trade as an off the cuff remark by Bruce to show how highly the cubs value Hill and how low they value Dunn. THe main contractions are whether or not the deal was actually offered, which is subject to subtle inference, and who rejected said proposal, or idea of a proposal, saying it was too steep.

[Sarcastic]

All I know, this Adam Dunn "is he or isn't he" situation has GOT to end soon, or I might just go crazy.

 

I think as far as this specific rumor goes, its been dead just long enough to start to smell a bit funny.

 

That said, it doesn't mean Dunn is out of the picture. I think we are going to have to wait until the last second to find out what Hendry ends up doing.

[nilodnayr]

I'm almost postive it was the Reds - it makes sense McCoy talked with Reds, and not Cubs, management and they were the ones who said too steep.

 

I'm not trying to start anything, but Marty Brennamen said it was Hendry who told him that Hill, CP, and Mitre was too steep of a price for Dunn. My wife and I both heard it listening to the game today (She's a Reds fan unfortunately). Hal McCoy, the HOF Writer for the Dayton Daily News, agreed that it was too much to give up for Dunn. It may sound crazy, but this is what transpired.

 

You could hear Marty yell "bye Jim" right before he went into the story on the air.

 

As crazy as this all sounds, I'm 100% positive this is what I heard.

 

McCoy loves Hill, and he has stated this in the past in some of his columns.

 

That's all I got...

 

CubZ, you are correct...might I guess that ZZ wasn't paying full attention due to BBQ being in the general vicinity? :D

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Only 10 more days everyone. Of course, I'll be in Cooperstown at the deadline.

[ZZ Thorn]

Bruce Miles, who is the only one we've mentioned in this thread that talkes to Jim Hendry (including that old fart Reds announcer) said that this "deal" was made up.

 

What else is there to say? I mean, obviously ZZ is going to go against the flow, because that's how he gets his kicks, but for the rest of us, I'd think Miles info should be enough.

 

All these attempts at character assassination... tsk tsk.

 

I'm not starting any rumors - I just posted the facts. There's the Miles info and the McCoy info and they conflict. It'll all come out in the wash....

 

 

The Reds radio broadcast and Miles gave the same info, and that still is not enough?

 

Columbus and ZZ give differing accounts. If I've kept it straight, Columbus on TV heard Hendry talk with Brenneman with Hendry saying the price was too steep for the Cubs. ZZ heard on the radio the converse, saying the price was too steep for the Reds. I think I've followed that, basically a bunch of misinformation and he said she said, nothing out of the ordinary given baseball trade talk near the deadline, especially with Hendry.

 

Columbus heard it on the radio along with his wife and was sure that they said the Cubs said the price was too steep. This is lock step with what Bruce Miles said. I don't see where the differnce is?

 

? Both said there's no deal, which we can all agree on, but one said it was no deal for Hill, one said no deal for Hill, CP and Mitre. Big difference.

 

It'll all come out in the wash. As stated, Hendry does a good job watching his back as he should to try and wrest the best deal. If he can get us Dunn and give up CP, Mitre and not Hill I'd be amazed and hope he can.

 

It's been fun - I have a half-read Mad Magazine to attend to and a busy afternoon planned. This thread will live another day - and that surprises me. Go Cubs!

[rickrolled]

Only 10 more days everyone. Of course, I'll be in Cooperstown at the deadline.

 

10 more days of torture...ugh.

[TruffleShuffle]

If Jim Hendry wouldn't trade Hill for Dunn straight up, then he isn't nearly as good a GM as I thought he was.

[nilodnayr]

Granted, there have been trolls like this plenty of times before on msg boards, but just because he was new doesn't mean he was a troll, perhaps he was legit. I don't think we really know for certain.

 

Trust the Admins, they can know for certain.

 

This site (for the most part) offers very warm open arms to any and all new posters (regardless of affiliation) and gives them the benefit of the doubt until proven trolls or inappropriate to post. That, along with our zealousness allows a simple retread rumor to become a 30+ page thread. This site truly abides by the notion innocent until proven guilty, I trust the Mods made the appropriate decision. If anything it can be said that they are too lenient with new posters allowing them to redeem themselves for honest mistakes or acclimation to this regulated world. Thereby allowing trolls or immature posters to do a bit more damage. However, the saying, I'd let 10 guilty men go than convict one innocent man is what they live by.

[satxcubfan]

Well, regardless of what circumstances arose from the rumor the author started... it made for one heck of a read today!

[imb]

Bruce Miles, who is the only one we've mentioned in this thread that talkes to Jim Hendry (including that old fart Reds announcer) said that this "deal" was made up.

 

What else is there to say? I mean, obviously ZZ is going to go against the flow, because that's how he gets his kicks, but for the rest of us, I'd think Miles info should be enough.

 

All these attempts at character assassination... tsk tsk.

 

I'm not starting any rumors - I just posted the facts. There's the Miles info and the McCoy info and they conflict. It'll all come out in the wash....

 

 

The Reds radio broadcast and Miles gave the same info, and that still is not enough?

 

Columbus and ZZ give differing accounts. If I've kept it straight, Columbus on TV heard Hendry talk with Brenneman with Hendry saying the price was too steep for the Cubs. ZZ heard on the radio the converse, saying the price was too steep for the Reds. I think I've followed that, basically a bunch of misinformation and he said she said, nothing out of the ordinary given baseball trade talk near the deadline, especially with Hendry.

 

Columbus heard it on the radio along with his wife and was sure that they said the Cubs said the price was too steep. This is lock step with what Bruce Miles said. I don't see where the differnce is?

 

? Both said there's no deal, which we can all agree on, but one said it was no deal for Hill, one said no deal for Hill, CP and Mitre. Big difference.

 

It'll all come out in the wash. As stated, Hendry does a good job watching his back as he should to try and wrest the best deal. If he can get us Dunn and give up CP, Mitre and not Hill I'd be amazed and hope he can.

 

It's been fun - I have a half-read Mad Magazine to attend to and a busy afternoon planned. This thread will live another day - and that surprises me. Go Cubs!

 

Ok, maybe I'm just not following what you're saying, but Miles said that the deal, as mentioned, CP, Hill, Mitre, for Dunn, was not even offered. He said the Cubs wouldnt trade Hill for Dunn, let alone all three dudes. Are you really dense or can I just not read correctly? Cause it sounds like you think Miles said that Hendry declined a Hill for Dunn trade.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

24 hrs of discussing BS. Isn't the first and won't be the last time.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Bruce Miles, who is the only one we've mentioned in this thread that talkes to Jim Hendry (including that old fart Reds announcer) said that this "deal" was made up.

 

What else is there to say? I mean, obviously ZZ is going to go against the flow, because that's how he gets his kicks, but for the rest of us, I'd think Miles info should be enough.

 

All these attempts at character assassination... tsk tsk.

 

I'm not starting any rumors - I just posted the facts. There's the Miles info and the McCoy info and they conflict. It'll all come out in the wash....

 

 

The Reds radio broadcast and Miles gave the same info, and that still is not enough?

 

Columbus and ZZ give differing accounts. If I've kept it straight, Columbus on TV heard Hendry talk with Brenneman with Hendry saying the price was too steep for the Cubs. ZZ heard on the radio the converse, saying the price was too steep for the Reds. I think I've followed that, basically a bunch of misinformation and he said she said, nothing out of the ordinary given baseball trade talk near the deadline, especially with Hendry.

 

Columbus heard it on the radio along with his wife and was sure that they said the Cubs said the price was too steep. This is lock step with what Bruce Miles said. I don't see where the differnce is?

 

? Both said there's no deal, which we can all agree on, but one said it was no deal for Hill, one said no deal for Hill, CP and Mitre. Big difference.

 

It'll all come out in the wash. As stated, Hendry does a good job watching his back as he should to try and wrest the best deal. If he can get us Dunn and give up CP, Mitre and not Hill I'd be amazed and hope he can.

 

It's been fun - I have a half-read Mad Magazine to attend to and a busy afternoon planned. This thread will live another day - and that surprises me. Go Cubs!

 

Ok, maybe I'm just not following what you're saying, but Miles said that the deal, as mentioned, CP, Hill, Mitre, for Dunn, was not even offered. He said the Cubs wouldnt trade Hill for Dunn, let alone all three dudes. Are you really dense or can I just not read correctly? Cause it sounds like you think Miles said that Hendry declined a Hill for Dunn trade.

 

I'm guessing that's a rhetorical question... :-k

[satxcubfan]

No need to be calling people dense, IMB. This is a message board and opinions vary, thus creating heated debates. Sometimes things are overlooked, ya know?

[imb]

No need to be calling people dense, IMB. This is a message board and opinions vary, thus creating heated debates. Sometimes things are overlooked, ya know?

 

I didn't call him dense. I asked him if he was being dense. If I was misconstruing what someone wrote or said, and I did it multiple times, I would hope someone would point it out.

[nilodnayr]

 

Ok, maybe I'm just not following what you're saying, but Miles said that the deal, as mentioned, CP, Hill, Mitre, for Dunn, was not even offered. He said the Cubs wouldnt trade Hill for Dunn, let alone all three dudes. Are you really dense or can I just not read correctly? Cause it sounds like you think Miles said that Hendry declined a Hill for Dunn trade.

 

 

tsk tsk tsk, come now, you know better than that. In 700 plus posts its easy to misconstrue the meaning behind Bruce saying that Hendry wouldnt even trade Hill for Dunn straight up, not that the offer was ever on the table, but to be representative of the fact that the cubs place such a high value on Hill and low on Dunn. Just because its ZZ and theres a history doesn't make it right to ridicule him.

[imb]

 

Ok, maybe I'm just not following what you're saying, but Miles said that the deal, as mentioned, CP, Hill, Mitre, for Dunn, was not even offered. He said the Cubs wouldnt trade Hill for Dunn, let alone all three dudes. Are you really dense or can I just not read correctly? Cause it sounds like you think Miles said that Hendry declined a Hill for Dunn trade.

 

 

tsk tsk tsk, come now, you know better than that. In 700 plus posts its easy to misconstrue the meaning behind Bruce saying that Hendry wouldnt even trade Hill for Dunn straight up, not that the offer was ever on the table, but to be representative of the fact that the cubs place such a high value on Hill and low on Dunn. Just because its ZZ and theres a history doesn't make it right to ridicule him.

 

Please, I don't know you from Adam, but if you were doing the same thing, I'd call you on it too. Maybe I'm the only one that has a problem with people making false statements based on something that they were too lazy too read and comprehend?

Edited July 21, 2005 by Bunts Lick Butts

[nilodnayr]

 

Ok, maybe I'm just not following what you're saying, but Miles said that the deal, as mentioned, CP, Hill, Mitre, for Dunn, was not even offered. He said the Cubs wouldnt trade Hill for Dunn, let alone all three dudes. Are you really dense or can I just not read correctly? Cause it sounds like you think Miles said that Hendry declined a Hill for Dunn trade.

 

I'm guessing that's a rhetorical question... :-k

 

 

And if ZZ was still on, you know that it wouldnt :D

[satxcubfan]

No need to be calling people dense, IMB. This is a message board and opinions vary, thus creating heated debates. Sometimes things are overlooked, ya know?

 

I didn't call him dense. I asked him if he was being dense. If I was misconstruing what someone wrote or said, and I did it multiple times, I would hope someone would point it out.

 

touche`! I guess I fell victim of misconstruing what you said in regards to the dense statement. But, me thinks it's gonna cause tempers to flare in Gary, IN.

[imb]

No need to be calling people dense, IMB. This is a message board and opinions vary, thus creating heated debates. Sometimes things are overlooked, ya know?

 

I didn't call him dense. I asked him if he was being dense. If I was misconstruing what someone wrote or said, and I did it multiple times, I would hope someone would point it out.

 

touche`! I guess I fell victim of misconstruing what you said in regards to the dense statement. But, me thinks it's gonna cause tempers to flare in Gary, IN.

 

I doubt he'll care, I wasn't even trying to be a jerk, I was just trying to point out that he didn't know what he was talking about.

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[satxcubfan]

LOL... maybe not, but at any rate.. this sure has been an interesting day.. or wasted. Take your pick!

 

Well guys, I'm outta here for the night.

[Chris]

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