Patterson and Dubois sent to AAA

[Jon]

And now he's going to hurt two other players by making the waste away on the bench? Simply amazing.

 

and tell me how you know they'll waste away on the bench?

 

this could be a precursor to dusty's firing, which would lead to young players actually having a chance to play.

We'll see what happens, but how would this indicate Dusty being fired? If Baker was going out, Dubois would stay and both Macias and Perez would sit or be released. If that doesn't happen, this is almost like the opposite.

 

Dubois wasn't performing. He got his shot for nearly a month and did nothing. I don't think Doobie had a future as a starter on the Cubs, regardless.

I don't think he was ever given a full chance, which does nothing but hurt the Cubs and does a real disservice to Hendry. Not only do they not know what if he'll be able to contribute next year, they killed his trade value.

[Derwood]

Interesting how this thread is getting more posts per minute than either of the game threads today.

[XZero771679666304]

My feeling is that Hendry and Baker had some sort of agreement about Cedeno's playing time, and Dusty didn't stick to it. Reserving judgement at least until tomorrow is in order, IMO.

I'd just have to believe if Dusty has been going against Jim's desire for this long, something would have already been done. That leads me to think that they're close to seeing eye to eye.

 

I'm also quite worried as to what this will do to their (especially Murton's) trade value.

 

I think that even had Jim wanted to can Dusty over philosophical differences before, he couldn't justify eating Dusty's contract while the team was still in contention, and with injuries as an excuse. Now the team is as healthy as they have been all year, and are playing the worst ball of Dusty's tenure. Now there is more impetus to can him.

[Derwood]

My feeling is that Hendry and Baker had some sort of agreement about Cedeno's playing time, and Dusty didn't stick to it. Reserving judgement at least until tomorrow is in order, IMO.

I'd just have to believe if Dusty has been going against Jim's desire for this long, something would have already been done. That leads me to think that they're close to seeing eye to eye.

 

I'm also quite worried as to what this will do to their (especially Murton's) trade value.

 

I think that even had Jim wanted to can Dusty over philosophical differences before, he couldn't justify eating Dusty's contract while the team was still in contention, and with injuries as an excuse. Now the team is as healthy as they have been all year, and are playing the worst ball of Dusty's tenure. Now there is more impetus to can him.

 

Interesting how the team played its best ball with Prior on the shelf. Why can't this team pitch and hit at the same time?

[XZero771679666304]

And now he's going to hurt two other players by making the waste away on the bench? Simply amazing.

 

and tell me how you know they'll waste away on the bench?

 

this could be a precursor to dusty's firing, which would lead to young players actually having a chance to play.

We'll see what happens, but how would this indicate Dusty being fired? If Baker was going out, Dubois would stay and both Macias and Perez would sit or be released. If that doesn't happen, this is almost like the opposite.

 

Dubois wasn't performing. He got his shot for nearly a month and did nothing. I don't think Doobie had a future as a starter on the Cubs, regardless.

I don't think he was ever given a full chance, which does nothing but hurt the Cubs and does a real disservice to Hendry. Not only do they not know what if he'll be able to contribute next year, they killed his trade value.

 

That is true, but it's water under the bridge at this point. It's too late for Dubois, I think. If he could have succeeded, he was ruined by Dusty. I can't believe Hendry is foolish enough to repeat that.

[E.J.]

Wow. I have to say that this comes as a big shock. I don't know what to think about this move. I hope that Murton gets a chance in LF, but I doubt it. I really have to wonder what's going on. I'm at a loss.

[Derwood]

And now he's going to hurt two other players by making the waste away on the bench? Simply amazing.

 

and tell me how you know they'll waste away on the bench?

 

this could be a precursor to dusty's firing, which would lead to young players actually having a chance to play.

We'll see what happens, but how would this indicate Dusty being fired? If Baker was going out, Dubois would stay and both Macias and Perez would sit or be released. If that doesn't happen, this is almost like the opposite.

 

Dubois wasn't performing. He got his shot for nearly a month and did nothing. I don't think Doobie had a future as a starter on the Cubs, regardless.

I don't think he was ever given a full chance, which does nothing but hurt the Cubs and does a real disservice to Hendry. Not only do they not know what if he'll be able to contribute next year, they killed his trade value.

 

That is true, but it's water under the bridge at this point. It's too late for Dubois, I think. If he could have succeeded, he was ruined by Dusty. I can't believe Hendry is foolish enough to repeat that.

 

Same thing happened with Kevin Orie as I recall. At least they sent DuBois to AAA. Orie was stuck on the bench, meaning he wasn't playing and he wasn't developing.

[XZero771679666304]

Wow. I have to say that this comes as a big shock. I don't know what to think about this move. I hope that Murton gets a chance in LF, but I doubt it. I really have to wonder what's going on. I'm at a loss.

 

It will be hard to evaluate until the dust settles.

[Jon]

My feeling is that Hendry and Baker had some sort of agreement about Cedeno's playing time, and Dusty didn't stick to it. Reserving judgement at least until tomorrow is in order, IMO.

I'd just have to believe if Dusty has been going against Jim's desire for this long, something would have already been done. That leads me to think that they're close to seeing eye to eye.

 

I'm also quite worried as to what this will do to their (especially Murton's) trade value.

 

I think that even had Jim wanted to can Dusty over philosophical differences before, he couldn't justify eating Dusty's contract while the team was still in contention, and with injuries as an excuse. Now the team is as healthy as they have been all year, and are playing the worst ball of Dusty's tenure. Now there is more impetus to can him.

But if there's a big philosophical difference, why is Macias still on the roster? Why is Cedeno back up when he had to have known either way that he wasn't going to start. Jim is the one with the power.

 

Depending on what else happens in the next couple of days, I'm this close to losing all faith in Hendry.

[Evers2Tinker2Chance]

Just to clarify, since CPatt was sent down does that mean that he was exposed to waivers, or was he designated for assignement: meaning hes gone in the next 10 days?

[seanhopper]

I'm also interested to see the subsequent moves Hendry makes to fill the slots in the minors. Dubois and Patterson (as of now) will need to be playing in Iowa and the Cubs have 2 OF spots to fill at West Tenn.

The more I think of this move, the more I believe there will be a move from the outside. I'm going to be at the game tomorrow in Florida, I hope to see at least Murton playing.

[brinoch]

And now he's going to hurt two other players by making the waste away on the bench? Simply amazing.

 

and tell me how you know they'll waste away on the bench?

 

this could be a precursor to dusty's firing, which would lead to young players actually having a chance to play.

We'll see what happens, but how would this indicate Dusty being fired? If Baker was going out, Dubois would stay and both Macias and Perez would sit or be released. If that doesn't happen, this is almost like the opposite.

 

Dubois wasn't performing. He got his shot for nearly a month and did nothing. I don't think Doobie had a future as a starter on the Cubs, regardless.

I don't think he was ever given a full chance, which does nothing but hurt the Cubs and does a real disservice to Hendry. Not only do they not know what if he'll be able to contribute next year, they killed his trade value.

 

That is true, but it's water under the bridge at this point. It's too late for Dubois, I think. If he could have succeeded, he was ruined by Dusty. I can't believe Hendry is foolish enough to repeat that.

 

I don't think it's too late for Dubois. He's only 26 and he's had 1/2 a season under his belt. More than likely, he and Patterson will play everyday in Iowa, get their swings back and head to Chicago rather quickly. My hope is that they both succeed in correcting their problems.

 

And if Hendry hasn't seen that Dusty doesn't like youngsters by now, he's never going to see it. If they don't get a chance to play this is a terrible move. There's no value in letting them rot on the bench. All the youngin's.

[Derwood]

And now he's going to hurt two other players by making the waste away on the bench? Simply amazing.

 

and tell me how you know they'll waste away on the bench?

 

this could be a precursor to dusty's firing, which would lead to young players actually having a chance to play.

We'll see what happens, but how would this indicate Dusty being fired? If Baker was going out, Dubois would stay and both Macias and Perez would sit or be released. If that doesn't happen, this is almost like the opposite.

 

Dubois wasn't performing. He got his shot for nearly a month and did nothing. I don't think Doobie had a future as a starter on the Cubs, regardless.

I don't think he was ever given a full chance, which does nothing but hurt the Cubs and does a real disservice to Hendry. Not only do they not know what if he'll be able to contribute next year, they killed his trade value.

 

That is true, but it's water under the bridge at this point. It's too late for Dubois, I think. If he could have succeeded, he was ruined by Dusty. I can't believe Hendry is foolish enough to repeat that.

 

I don't think it's too late for Dubois. He's only 26 and he's had 1/2 a season under his belt. More than likely, he and Patterson will play everyday in Iowa, get their swings back and head to Chicago rather quickly. My hope is that they both succeed in correcting their problems.

 

And if Hendry hasn't seen that Dusty doesn't like youngsters by now, he's never going to see it. If they don't get a chance to play this is a terrible move. There's no value in letting them rot on the bench. All the youngin's.

 

Exactly. That's what is fishy about this. If this was just a swap with AAA guys, we'd see Kelton and Hubbard up. So what gives with the AA guys? Doesn't make sense yet.

[XZero771679666304]

Exactly. That's what is fishy about this. If this was just a swap with AAA guys, we'd see Kelton and Hubbard up. So what gives with the AA guys? Doesn't make sense yet.

 

Baker will have to fired or Macias and Perez will have to go for this to make sense. I am hoping it's the former.

[Jon]

I don't think it's too late for Dubois. He's only 26 and he's had 1/2 a season under his belt. More than likely, he and Patterson will play everyday in Iowa, get their swings back and head to Chicago rather quickly. My hope is that they both succeed in correcting their problems.

 

And if Hendry hasn't seen that Dusty doesn't like youngsters by now, he's never going to see it. If they don't get a chance to play this is a terrible move. There's no value in letting them rot on the bench. All the youngin's.

34 scattered starts isn't even close to being enough time to fully evaluate what a player can do in the big leagues. But if this is just for them to get their swings back, it's both at the cost of Murton and it shows that he has no faith in the coaching staff. And yet, Sarge is the main hitting instructor for the 2nd year in a row. Has there been any change? Barely. Gene Clines works with a few hitters, but Sarge is basically doing the same thing as he was doing last year. Dusty is still there. If they have continually failed, why do they still have their jobs? Unbelievable.

[Derwood]

Exactly. That's what is fishy about this. If this was just a swap with AAA guys, we'd see Kelton and Hubbard up. So what gives with the AA guys? Doesn't make sense yet.

 

Baker will have to fired or Macias and Perez will have to go for this to make sense. I am hoping it's the former.

 

If you are going to call up 2 guys to sit on the bench, at least call up guys who are used to sitting on the bench at the major league level. This is a teast for Murton and Greenburg.

[brinoch]

I don't think it's too late for Dubois. He's only 26 and he's had 1/2 a season under his belt. More than likely, he and Patterson will play everyday in Iowa, get their swings back and head to Chicago rather quickly. My hope is that they both succeed in correcting their problems.

 

And if Hendry hasn't seen that Dusty doesn't like youngsters by now, he's never going to see it. If they don't get a chance to play this is a terrible move. There's no value in letting them rot on the bench. All the youngin's.

34 scattered starts isn't even close to being enough time to fully evaluate what a player can do in the big leagues. But if this is just for them to get their swings back, it's both at the cost of Murton and it shows that he has no faith in the coaching staff. And yet, Sarge is the main hitting instructor for the 2nd year in a row. Has there been any change? Barely. Gene Clines works with a few hitters, but Sarge is basically doing the same thing as he was doing last year. Dusty is still there. If they have continually failed, why do they still have their jobs? Unbelievable.

 

They may not in the very near future. Without singling people out, this team has failed miserably. Dusty might be paying for it with his job.

[Brian]

Corey Patterson & Jason Dubois weren't performing they were sent down to work, Neifi is not performing he MUST be benched.

[10man]

Let's set Dusty aside for a moment (for eternity if I had a choice).

 

1) MURTON could very easily be plugged into LF. The CF spot Corey vacated can be filled by Hairston, Burnitz or Holly.

 

2) COREY will either spend 1 to 2 weeks in Iowa and hopefully get a new lease on life or this will be a precursor to a trade (this would have to mean though that Hendry finally got an offer he liked). I have stated before that for Corey to be sent down all the Cubs needed to do was secure major league (revocable) waivers for him. It's possible that the club already got this a while back since it is something that is usually done quietly.

 

3) GREENBERG will be a PR/PH at best. I don't see how he would fit into the lineup ahead of Murton since Matt is a much better hitter and has the same speed on the bases. Greenberg is better defensively I think.

[Bench Coach]

If they release Macias, the Cubs could turn this sinking ship around...

 

Yeah, that will solve all the Cubs problems.

 

This is what they should do:

Hairston CF

Walker 2B

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Burnitz RF

Hollandsworth LF

Cedeno SS (he could be moved up if he does well starting)

Barrett C

Pitcher's spot

 

I realise this doesn't do the righty, lefty, righty, lefty theory, but thats my lineup.

 

As far as the bench, they need to call up Kelton. I'm glad Patterson and Dubois were sent down. Dubois needs to learn how to hit a curveball, and Patterson needs to figure out how to lay off the high strike, and slap the ball.

[Mark Priors Calves]

I'm very puzzled by this move. I have to think this is a precursor to something bigger with this organization. We'll have to look back on this night in two weeks to make a proper judgement based upon what happens in the next two weeks.

[Cubzfan64]

As much as I'm sure they're thrilled with the chance to come up to the big leagues, Greenberg and Murton have to be pretty dang nervous being sent up to an underachieving big league club who's manager and GM have to be on the hot seats and where the clubhouse attitude ain't exactly happy and welcoming.

 

I wish them good luck - you'd think with all the bad luck we've had there might be something good to come out of all this.

[Evers2Tinker2Chance]

Can someone either post Murton and Greenbergs stat lines or give a link please.

[brinoch]

Iowa doesn't play again until the 14th due to cancelled games from Dennis. Meanwhile, the AA ASB is also 12th through the 14th. So even if they are up for a cup of coffee and dropped to AA, they won't get to play again 'til the 15th. That's too long for these guys to rot.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Does anybody else see this thread balloon to 35 pages by 6 am?