Carpenter - my early pick for best starter for the Cards

[wolf stansson]

The guy to the left hasn't been too bad either. :D

And such a handsome devil too.

[vaball]

The guy to the left hasn't been too bad either. :D

And such a handsome devil too.

 

Last night I think I saw a dugout shot of Morris showing he had trimmed his beard back a lot. If I saw what I think I saw then I'm worried. I have my fingers crossed until his next start.

 

As it relates to his pitching that is, not his handsomness.

[ManEatingTarp]

nice job, nostradamus. you only had to wait 2 months to bump your own thread after he threw a good game...

 

Haha... actually his prediction has been pretty good to this point; Carpenter has pitched very well for most of the year... 9-4 with a 3.17 ERA. We'll see if he can keep it going at the end of this season, because he kind of crapped out toward the end of last year. He's on pace to throw 240 innings this year, which are a whole lot for a guy with a history of arm trouble.

 

Question.

If a pitcher (say Maddux) pitches 250 innings, but never goes over 100 pitches in a start, is that still overworking a pitcher? I know that innings and pitchcounts have become an important way of charting a pitchers use. Which is more important?

[Catman61]

nice job, nostradamus. you only had to wait 2 months to bump your own thread after he threw a good game...

Carpenter's Game Scores since April 16th start

4/21 - 78

4/27 - 63

5/2 - 51

5/7 - 43

5/12 - 56

5/18 - 53

5/23 - 68

5/29 - 57

6/3 - 70

6/8 - 50

6/14 - 94

 

A good game?

[ltb]

nice job, nostradamus. you only had to wait 2 months to bump your own thread after he threw a good game...

Carpenter's Game Scores since April 16th start

4/21 - 78

4/27 - 63

5/2 - 51

5/7 - 43

5/12 - 56

5/18 - 53

5/23 - 68

5/29 - 57

6/3 - 70

6/8 - 50

6/14 - 94

 

A good game?

 

i'm not impressed by anything other than the first and last starts.

[TruffleShuffle]

nice job, nostradamus. you only had to wait 2 months to bump your own thread after he threw a good game...

 

Haha... actually his prediction has been pretty good to this point; Carpenter has pitched very well for most of the year... 9-4 with a 3.17 ERA. We'll see if he can keep it going at the end of this season, because he kind of crapped out toward the end of last year. He's on pace to throw 240 innings this year, which are a whole lot for a guy with a history of arm trouble.

 

Question.

If a pitcher (say Maddux) pitches 250 innings, but never goes over 100 pitches in a start, is that still overworking a pitcher? I know that innings and pitchcounts have become an important way of charting a pitchers use. Which is more important?

 

I'd say both are important, and here's why. Every inning before a guy goes out, he throws probably 6-10 warmup pitches. While these aren't thrown with the same effort, they're something. Plus he cools off every inning after he comes out of the game and has to get warmed up again.

 

Anyway, in the case of Maddux I think that 95 pitches for him is about equivalent to 115 pitches for Zambrano. Maddux doesn't have a whole lot of stamina any more and the closer you push him closer to the 100 pitch mark, the less comfortable he will be. In Carpenter's case, he's thrown over 100 pitches in 9/14 games this year, is averaging 103 pitches per start, and has thrown 110 pitches or more in 6 of his starts. I'm not saying he's been abused, but he also hasn't been preserved either.

[EastonBlues22]

nice job, nostradamus. you only had to wait 2 months to bump your own thread after he threw a good game...

Carpenter's Game Scores since April 16th start

4/21 - 78

4/27 - 63

5/2 - 51

5/7 - 43

5/12 - 56

5/18 - 53

5/23 - 68

5/29 - 57

6/3 - 70

6/8 - 50

6/14 - 94

 

A good game?

 

i'm not impressed by anything other than the first and last starts.

His AGS trails only (in order) Martinez, Clemens, Halladay, Santana, Meyers, Peavey, Willis, Zambrano, Rogers, Buehrle, and Oswalt in the entire league. I'd say he's doing a decent job.

[UK1679666180]

nice job, nostradamus. you only had to wait 2 months to bump your own thread after he threw a good game...

 

Haha... actually his prediction has been pretty good to this point; Carpenter has pitched very well for most of the year... 9-4 with a 3.17 ERA. We'll see if he can keep it going at the end of this season, because he kind of crapped out toward the end of last year. He's on pace to throw 240 innings this year, which are a whole lot for a guy with a history of arm trouble.

 

Question.

If a pitcher (say Maddux) pitches 250 innings, but never goes over 100 pitches in a start, is that still overworking a pitcher? I know that innings and pitchcounts have become an important way of charting a pitchers use. Which is more important?

 

Short-term answer, pitch counts.

 

Best answer, incomplete. Depends more on mechanics & pitches while fatigued than pitch counts or IP.

[EastonBlues22]

nice job, nostradamus. you only had to wait 2 months to bump your own thread after he threw a good game...

Carpenter's Game Scores since April 16th start

4/21 - 78

4/27 - 63

5/2 - 51

5/7 - 43

5/12 - 56

5/18 - 53

5/23 - 68

5/29 - 57

6/3 - 70

6/8 - 50

6/14 - 94

 

A good game?

 

i'm not impressed by anything other than the first and last starts.

His AGS trails only (in order) Martinez, Clemens, Halladay, Santana, Meyers, Peavey, Willis, Zambrano, Rogers, Buehrle, and Oswalt in the entire league. I'd say he's doing a decent job.

I just noticed that he's also tied for first in the MLB in quality start percentage at 86%.

[snoodmonger]

nice job, nostradamus. you only had to wait 2 months to bump your own thread after he threw a good game...

 

Haha... actually his prediction has been pretty good to this point; Carpenter has pitched very well for most of the year... 9-4 with a 3.17 ERA.

 

Indifferent is a woman. So HER prediction has been pretty good so far. And I want to be on record as saying Carpenter is a pretty darn good pitcher. Not deserving of the constant derision he gets from a lot of cubs fans.

 

Hopefully, though, he won't win another game.

[dalgreen]

nice job, nostradamus. you only had to wait 2 months to bump your own thread after he threw a good game...

 

Haha... actually his prediction has been pretty good to this point; Carpenter has pitched very well for most of the year... 9-4 with a 3.17 ERA. We'll see if he can keep it going at the end of this season, because he kind of crapped out toward the end of last year. He's on pace to throw 240 innings this year, which are a whole lot for a guy with a history of arm trouble.

 

Question.

If a pitcher (say Maddux) pitches 250 innings, but never goes over 100 pitches in a start, is that still overworking a pitcher? I know that innings and pitchcounts have become an important way of charting a pitchers use. Which is more important?

 

I'm still under the belief that it's not just the number of pitches thrown but other factors as well. Things like development of the arm, mechanics, types of pitches thrown and how many pitches are thrown using maximum effort. For example, Livan Hernandez seems to always throw a bunch of pitches year in and year out but doesn't have frequent arm problems. 130 pitches from him are different than Zambrano's 130 because Hernandez throws a bunch of off-speed stuff. Unlike Zambrano, who out of 130 has to use maximum effort on 95-100 of those pitches, Hernandez only uses maximum effort on probably 55-60.

[Catman61]

Are you still unimpressed itb?

 

With tonight's complete game shutout Carpenter moves to 11-4 on the season and lowers his ERA to 2.77

 

In his 5 June starts Carpenter has gone 4-1 with an ERA of 0.90, a WHIP of 0.80, 43 SO in 40 IP and 2 CG shutouts

[TruffleShuffle]

We'll see if he keeps it up. My guess is that he will get worse in the second half as he approaches a career high in innings.

[ltb]

Are you still unimpressed itb?

 

With tonight's complete game shutout Carpenter moves to 11-4 on the season and lowers his ERA to 2.77

 

In his 5 June starts Carpenter has gone 4-1 with an ERA of 0.90, a WHIP of 0.80, 43 SO in 40 IP and 2 CG shutouts

 

blah blah blah

 

i'm more unimpressed that you can't even spell my username correctly

[ltb]

My guess is that he will get worse in the second half as he approaches a career high in innings.

 

yep, just like last year..haha

[wolf stansson]

Chris Carpenter may or may not be a god. If not a god at least a demigod.

 

Carp is a freaking joke. I can't remember a streak like this.

 

Tonight

7.2, 9k's, 2 bb, 0er, 5 hits.

 

He is now 1st in wins, 2 back in K's, 1st in cg, 1st in sho, 3rd in era, 2nd in innings, and has given up 1 run in his last 33.2 innings. For those scoring at home, that is a .3 era. That math is probably wrong considering I suck at it.

 

 

 

Discuss.

[Mark_R]

He's been absolutely awesome, no doubt.

[ManEatingTarp]

I really hope we see a matchup with Carp and either Prior or Z in the July 22-24 series. That could be a fantastic game! I'm going on the friday and saturday games with a group of 12 folks from here in Chicago.

[Catman61]

Last 4 starts

 

4-0

33-2/3 IP

1 ER

0.27 ERA

0.56 WHIP

 

lowers his 2004 ERA to 2.60

[ManEatingTarp]

Time to edit the title of the thread. This guy isn't the best starter for the Cards.

He's the best starter in the NL.

[Catman61]

Probably should assuming he pitches in the ASG and is given 4 days rest starting on the 5th day that would put him on schedule to start the Fri Jul 22nd game.

[indifferent]

If we don't have Carp going against the Cubs that weekend, even if requires some juggling, we are idiots.

[ManEatingTarp]

Probably should assuming he pitches in the ASG and is given 4 days rest starting on the 5th day that would put him on schedule to start the Fri Jul 22nd game.

 

NICE!

I'm sure there is a Cubbie fan out there that has the probables for that series all figured out.

Anyone?

[TruffleShuffle]

Gee, wish the Cubs could sign some nobody coming off arm surgery and then have him turn into a Cy Young contender. :x

[TruffleShuffle]

Time to edit the title of the thread. This guy isn't the best starter for the Cards.

He's the best starter in the NL.

 

Yet all the non-team-dependent statistics say otherwise... :-k