Carpenter - my early pick for best starter for the Cards

[ManEatingTarp]

Time to edit the title of the thread. This guy isn't the best starter for the Cards.

He's the best starter in the NL.

 

Yet all the non-team-dependent statistics say otherwise... :-k

 

Serious question. Factoring out all team dependent stats, who is the best starter in the NL?

[TruffleShuffle]

Time to edit the title of the thread. This guy isn't the best starter for the Cards.

He's the best starter in the NL.

 

Yet all the non-team-dependent statistics say otherwise... :-k

 

Serious question. Factoring out all team dependent stats, who is the best starter in the NL?

 

To me, it's pretty clearly Roger Clemens - only 6-3 due to atrocious run support, but 1.50 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, and about 1 K per inning. He also pitches half his games in an extreme hitters' park.

 

Second is Dontrelle Willis... 12-3, 2.04 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 7 K/9.

 

I'd take Roy Oswalt after that: 10-7, 2.54 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, strikeouts down at just over 6 per 9 innings, but it's hard to argue with that ERA pitching in the Juice Box.

 

Then I'd say Carpenter and then Pedro Martinez, who should actually have a much better ERA than he does considering his absurdly low WHIP.

[ManEatingTarp]

Time to edit the title of the thread. This guy isn't the best starter for the Cards.

He's the best starter in the NL.

 

Yet all the non-team-dependent statistics say otherwise... :-k

 

Serious question. Factoring out all team dependent stats, who is the best starter in the NL?

 

To me, it's pretty clearly Roger Clemens - only 6-3 due to atrocious run support, but 1.50 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, and about 1 K per inning. He also pitches half his games in an extreme hitters' park.

 

Second is Dontrelle Willis... 12-3, 2.04 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 7 K/9.

 

I'd take Roy Oswalt after that: 10-7, 2.54 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, strikeouts down at just over 6 per 9 innings, but it's hard to argue with that ERA pitching in the Juice Box.

 

Then I'd say Carpenter and then Pedro Martinez, who should actually have a much better ERA than he does considering his absurdly low WHIP.

 

I can respect that.

I'll glady accept Carp as the 4th best in the league.

 

It's also sad that the Stros could have 2 of the top 3 pitchers in the league and still be as bad as they are.

[wolf stansson]

Carpenter has to go above Oswalt.

[TruffleShuffle]

Carpenter has to go above Oswalt.

 

Care to back up your position with any statistics?

[NCCubFan]

Care to back up your position with any statistics?

How about this statistic:

 

Number of posters named wolf stansson who think Carpenter is better: 1

Number of posters named wolf stansson who think Oswalt is better: 0

 

:lol:

[wolf stansson]

Carpenter has to go above Oswalt.

 

Care to back up your position with any statistics?

Nah.