Adam Dunn

[ZZ Thorn]

Adam Dunn had a ninth-inning sacrifice fly, his first since July 22, 2003, against Milwaukee, a string of 1,086 plate appearances and 66 opportunities with a runnner on third and less than two outs.

 

That is one god-awful statistic. But hey, a K is always the same as every other out eh?

 

So would you think more of Dunn if his 19 hits the past 3 seasons with a runner on 3rd less than 2 outs were actually just routine flyballs to center-field? Would he be more valuable if instead of having 6 HRs in this situation, those homeruns stayed in the park instead of leaving?

 

I know you're thinking Dunn must be a horrible player with a runner on 3rd less than 2 outs because of his lack of sacrifice flies, but once again, the stats show that Dunn is awesome.

 

.268/.433/.620 and he has 57 RBI in 71 ABs.

 

but yeah i agree since dunn drove in runs by slugging the ball instead of hitting flyouts he sucks and is overrated

 

.268 isn't that good, especially for a 'great' player. And what good is a walk in that situation? It's better than an out, sure, but it's not what you need. It's certainly not what a 'great' player is trying to do. But hey, the guy is only batting .242 this year, lifetime .248, so I guess you can't expect too much. Pretty good tho - 57 rbis in 71 abs, tho the bbs are taken out.

 

He's only K'd 25 times in that situation is surprising, tho still not very good. But you don't go that long without a sacrifice fly for a reason....

 

Just to refresh from earlier in the thread, I've always said I wasn't sold on Dunn, and that I needed to see 2 good seasons in a row from the guy. He's doing pretty well this year - very Dunn-like. SBs are way down - the guy is going to be a real liability in LF in a few years. He really should go to an AL team where he can DH towards the end of the long term contract he'll get.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Adam Dunn had a ninth-inning sacrifice fly, his first since July 22, 2003, against Milwaukee, a string of 1,086 plate appearances and 66 opportunities with a runnner on third and less than two outs.

 

That is one god-awful statistic. But hey, a K is always the same as every other out eh?

 

So would you think more of Dunn if his 19 hits the past 3 seasons with a runner on 3rd less than 2 outs were actually just routine flyballs to center-field? Would he be more valuable if instead of having 6 HRs in this situation, those homeruns stayed in the park instead of leaving?

 

I know you're thinking Dunn must be a horrible player with a runner on 3rd less than 2 outs because of his lack of sacrifice flies, but once again, the stats show that Dunn is awesome.

 

.268/.433/.620 and he has 57 RBI in 71 ABs.

 

but yeah i agree since dunn drove in runs by slugging the ball instead of hitting flyouts he sucks and is overrated

 

.268 isn't that good, especially for a 'great' player. And what good is a walk in that situation? It's better than an out, sure, but it's not what you need. It's certainly not what a 'great' player is trying to do. But hey, the guy is only batting .242 this year, lifetime .248, so I guess you can't expect too much. Pretty good tho - 57 rbis in 71 abs, tho the bbs are taken out.

 

He's only K'd 25 times in that situation is surprising, tho still not very good. But you don't go that long without a sacrifice fly for a reason....

 

Just to refresh from earlier in the thread, I've always said I wasn't sold on Dunn, and that I needed to see 2 good seasons in a row from the guy. He's doing pretty well this year - very Dunn-like. SBs are way down - the guy is going to be a real liability in LF in a few years. He really should go to an AL team where he can DH towards the end of the long term contract he'll get.

 

Not good, huh? So what is the league average in that situation then? Prove that those numbers aren't very good before dismissing them.

[ZZ Thorn]

Adam Dunn had a ninth-inning sacrifice fly, his first since July 22, 2003, against Milwaukee, a string of 1,086 plate appearances and 66 opportunities with a runnner on third and less than two outs.

 

That is one god-awful statistic. But hey, a K is always the same as every other out eh?

 

So would you think more of Dunn if his 19 hits the past 3 seasons with a runner on 3rd less than 2 outs were actually just routine flyballs to center-field? Would he be more valuable if instead of having 6 HRs in this situation, those homeruns stayed in the park instead of leaving?

 

I know you're thinking Dunn must be a horrible player with a runner on 3rd less than 2 outs because of his lack of sacrifice flies, but once again, the stats show that Dunn is awesome.

 

.268/.433/.620 and he has 57 RBI in 71 ABs.

 

but yeah i agree since dunn drove in runs by slugging the ball instead of hitting flyouts he sucks and is overrated

 

.268 isn't that good, especially for a 'great' player. And what good is a walk in that situation? It's better than an out, sure, but it's not what you need. It's certainly not what a 'great' player is trying to do. But hey, the guy is only batting .242 this year, lifetime .248, so I guess you can't expect too much. Pretty good tho - 57 rbis in 71 abs, tho the bbs are taken out.

 

He's only K'd 25 times in that situation is surprising, tho still not very good. But you don't go that long without a sacrifice fly for a reason....

 

Just to refresh from earlier in the thread, I've always said I wasn't sold on Dunn, and that I needed to see 2 good seasons in a row from the guy. He's doing pretty well this year - very Dunn-like. SBs are way down - the guy is going to be a real liability in LF in a few years. He really should go to an AL team where he can DH towards the end of the long term contract he'll get.

 

Not good, huh? So what is the league average in that situation then? Prove that those numbers aren't very good before dismissing them.

 

Man that sounds like a lot of work, and I really should do some work that I get paid to supposedly do... and anyway, are you trying to prove Dunn is an average player or a 'great' player. I'll certainly agree that Dunn is at least average. It's 'great' that I'm still reserving judgment on.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Adam Dunn had a ninth-inning sacrifice fly, his first since July 22, 2003, against Milwaukee, a string of 1,086 plate appearances and 66 opportunities with a runnner on third and less than two outs.

 

That is one god-awful statistic. But hey, a K is always the same as every other out eh?

 

So would you think more of Dunn if his 19 hits the past 3 seasons with a runner on 3rd less than 2 outs were actually just routine flyballs to center-field? Would he be more valuable if instead of having 6 HRs in this situation, those homeruns stayed in the park instead of leaving?

 

I know you're thinking Dunn must be a horrible player with a runner on 3rd less than 2 outs because of his lack of sacrifice flies, but once again, the stats show that Dunn is awesome.

 

.268/.433/.620 and he has 57 RBI in 71 ABs.

 

but yeah i agree since dunn drove in runs by slugging the ball instead of hitting flyouts he sucks and is overrated

 

.268 isn't that good, especially for a 'great' player. And what good is a walk in that situation? It's better than an out, sure, but it's not what you need. It's certainly not what a 'great' player is trying to do. But hey, the guy is only batting .242 this year, lifetime .248, so I guess you can't expect too much. Pretty good tho - 57 rbis in 71 abs, tho the bbs are taken out.

 

He's only K'd 25 times in that situation is surprising, tho still not very good. But you don't go that long without a sacrifice fly for a reason....

 

Just to refresh from earlier in the thread, I've always said I wasn't sold on Dunn, and that I needed to see 2 good seasons in a row from the guy. He's doing pretty well this year - very Dunn-like. SBs are way down - the guy is going to be a real liability in LF in a few years. He really should go to an AL team where he can DH towards the end of the long term contract he'll get.

 

Not good, huh? So what is the league average in that situation then? Prove that those numbers aren't very good before dismissing them.

 

Man that sounds like a lot of work, and I really should do some work that I get paid to supposedly do... and anyway, are you trying to prove Dunn is an average player or a 'great' player. I'll certainly agree that Dunn is at least average. It's 'great' that I'm still reserving judgment on.

 

No, but I'm trying to prove that even in the area of his game where his detractors try to say he is weak, that he is above average.

 

I'd say a 25 yr old with a 900 career OPS is at least very good and has the potential and is on the cusp of being great, yes.

[imb]

Forget it Vance, he's just trolling.

[wolf stansson]

I ran into a lot of this with Dunn detractors at Cards talk.

 

Just try to tell me what not to like about a young guy who can hit 50 bombs, drive in 110+, score 100+, and has an ops over 1000? Maybe I'm not as on the ball as all his detractors, but I have a hard time finding whats wrong with that. So he whiffs like no other? He still gets on base .380+!

[rocket]

I ran into a lot of this with Dunn detractors at Cards talk.

 

Just try to tell me what not to like about a young guy who can hit 50 bombs, drive in 110+, score 100+, and has an ops over 1000? Maybe I'm not as on the ball as all his detractors, but I have a hard time finding whats wrong with that. So he whiffs like no other? He still gets on base .380+!

 

If you're convinced that batting average is a very important stat, moreso than OPS or OBP, then you probably won't think much of Dunn.

[wolf stansson]

I ran into a lot of this with Dunn detractors at Cards talk.

 

Just try to tell me what not to like about a young guy who can hit 50 bombs, drive in 110+, score 100+, and has an ops over 1000? Maybe I'm not as on the ball as all his detractors, but I have a hard time finding whats wrong with that. So he whiffs like no other? He still gets on base .380+!

 

If you're convinced that batting average is a very important stat, moreso than OPS or OBP, then you probably won't think much of Dunn.

I see. Well, we have the comfort of knowing we are right. That's always nice.

[rocket]

I ran into a lot of this with Dunn detractors at Cards talk.

 

Just try to tell me what not to like about a young guy who can hit 50 bombs, drive in 110+, score 100+, and has an ops over 1000? Maybe I'm not as on the ball as all his detractors, but I have a hard time finding whats wrong with that. So he whiffs like no other? He still gets on base .380+!

 

If you're convinced that batting average is a very important stat, moreso than OPS or OBP, then you probably won't think much of Dunn.

Re-Read my post. I believe OPS and OBP were mentioned. BA was not.

 

That was directed at Dunn detractors (well, one in particular), not you. I probably should have only quoted the 1st sentence.

[wolf stansson]

That was directed at Dunn detractors (well, one in particular), not you. I probably should have only quoted the 1st sentence.

I reread your post and understood what you said and edited my post. I was confused for a second and didn't realize you were agreeing with me.

[rocket]

That was directed at Dunn detractors (well, one in particular), not you. I probably should have only quoted the 1st sentence.

I reread your post and understood what you said and edited my post. I was confused for a second and didn't realize you were agreeing with me.

 

I see.

 

I love Dunn Detractors though. It's way more catchy than Dusty Busters.

[treebird]

dunn not playing today about to be traded to cobs i assume

[ZZ Thorn]

That was directed at Dunn detractors (well, one in particular), not you. I probably should have only quoted the 1st sentence.

I reread your post and understood what you said and edited my post. I was confused for a second and didn't realize you were agreeing with me.

 

I see.

 

I love Dunn Detractors though. It's way more catchy than Dusty Busters.

 

No way. They both have alliteration, but Dusty Busters actually has rhyme and meter. Ergo, Dusty Busters is way better.

[Jimy is a misspell]

Dunn is a native Houstonian and still has a home here. 8)

[wolf stansson]

Dunn is a native Houstonian and still has a home here. 8)

Jim Edmonds is a native Californian, but he has a home in Houston. It's called Minute Maid Ballpark.

 

 

 

Sorry, I know that was unnecessary, but I couldn't help myself. Since reading publicized reports that Dunn may be traded to the Cards, I have developed a serious hetero man crush and have become jealous of all other suitors.

[Jimy is a misspell]

Dunn is a native Houstonian and still has a home here. 8)

Jim Edmonds is a native Californian, but he has a home in Houston. It's called Minute Maid Ballpark.

 

 

 

 

:lol: That was a nice one. And painfully true.

 

But not as painful as the pic in your avatar. :cry:

[vaball]

Memphis radio reporting that the Reds have been scouting Wainright and Reyes. Read it on another forum so take it as hearsay but the poster is usually right and very up on Cardinals minor league happenings.

 

I hope it's not for Wily Mo or Kearns.

[Brian]

There was a Reds scout at the Cubs/A's A Ball game tonight.

 

BO FLOWERS FOR ADAM DUNN!!!!!!!!11

 

GO COBS!

[XZero771679666304]

Memphis radio reporting that the Reds have been scouting Wainright and Reyes. Read it on another forum so take it as hearsay but the poster is usually right and very up on Cardinals minor league happenings.

 

I hope it's not for Wily Mo or Kearns.

 

Still, I believer that the chances of the Reds trading Dunn to either the Cards or Cubs is about a billion to one. I find it infinitely more likely that a team like L.A. would get him, because they need an OF, are in a different division, and have more to offer.

[rocket]

If Adam Dunn becomes a Cardinals that's going to be a very dark moment in my life.

 

I'll be so confused and conflicted...

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Dunn hit a grandslam tonight.

[wolf stansson]

Dunn hit a grandslam tonight.

But no sac fly so he is obviously a horrible baseball player.

[ZZ Thorn]

THEY HAVE PENN STATIONS IN INDIANAPOLIS!

 

THEY HAVE PENN STATIONS IN INDIANAPOLIS!

[1wizard]

I ran into a lot of this with Dunn detractors at Cards talk.

 

Just try to tell me what not to like about a young guy who can hit 50 bombs, drive in 110+, score 100+, and has an ops over 1000? Maybe I'm not as on the ball as all his detractors, but I have a hard time finding whats wrong with that. So he whiffs like no other? He still gets on base .380+!

 

I do not consider myself a Dunn detrator, but I have my doubts about whether he would be a great addition to the Cardinals given the cost of a trade. First of all, the Cards already have power guys in there lineup that strike out a lot (Reggie and Jimmy). Moreover, given that the Cardinals are looking for more post season help, I wonder how often Dunn would strike out in the playoffs. He is currently striking out every 3rd time up to bat. The pitching is far superior in the playoffs and can dominate strike out hitters.

[XZero771679666304]

I ran into a lot of this with Dunn detractors at Cards talk.

 

Just try to tell me what not to like about a young guy who can hit 50 bombs, drive in 110+, score 100+, and has an ops over 1000? Maybe I'm not as on the ball as all his detractors, but I have a hard time finding whats wrong with that. So he whiffs like no other? He still gets on base .380+!

 

I do not consider myself a Dunn detrator, but I have my doubts about whether he would be a great addition to the Cardinals given the cost of a trade. First of all, the Cards already have power guys in there lineup that strike out a lot (Reggie and Jimmy). Moreover, given that the Cardinals are looking for more post season help, I wonder how often Dunn would strike out in the playoffs. He is currently striking out every 3rd time up to bat. The pitching is far superior in the playoffs and can dominate strike out hitters.

 

Dunn isn't going to be a Cardinal. Or a Cub. Or an Astro. That is unless the Reds get even stupider than they have been. They can trade him outside the division and get more talent for him than if they traded him to the Cards, Cubs or Astros.