General Offseason Priorities

[Rcal10]

13 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

I wonder how available Clark Schmidt will be this offseason. If the Yankees lose Soto, they have 2 spots in the outfield to fill with Verdugo almost certainly not coming back. Jasson Dominguez is bound to get one of those spots, but they dont have anything for the other spot. They also need a new 2B/3B with Torres gone and Chisholm filling in wherever. They also need 1B. There's a lot to line up with the Cubs there and Schmidt is like #4 in their rotation with their top pitching prospect throwing some in MLB late in the season.

Schmidt would fit that Paredes type trade Jed was hinting at.

I like Schmidt. He would be a good option. Might not have to spend big on a starter if they brought him in. That would allow them to use a lot of dollars to add to offense and maybe the pen. 

[Cuzi]

16 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

I like Schmidt. He would be a good option. Might not have to spend big on a starter if they brought him in. That would allow them to use a lot of dollars to add to offense and maybe the pen. 

I just wonder how much of a chunk a guy like Owen Caissie would take out of the return for a Schmidt + Beeter package. I would imagine the Yankees would love his left handed power.

[Rcal10]

49 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

I just wonder how much of a chunk a guy like Owen Caissie would take out of the return for a Schmidt + Beeter package. I would imagine the Yankees would love his left handed power.

Along the same lines, would Seattle be interested in Cassie? Probably can’t get Miller or Woo unless the package was expanded. But what about Kirby? 

[Cuzi]

6 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Along the same lines, would Seattle be interested in Cassie? Probably can’t get Miller or Woo unless the package was expanded. But what about Kirby? 

Seattle doesn't need an outfielder, so the chances are probably pretty damn close to 0, maybe even negative. Not sure how Kirby comes out to lesser value than Miller or Woo, either.

If the Mariners are moving a pitcher, it's probably 1) trying to convince Luis Castillo to waive his NTC 1 year before he doesn't have it any more, 2A) Woo, 2B) Miller.

Edited October 4, 2024 by Cuzi

[Rex Buckingham]

25 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

Seattle doesn't need an outfielder, so the chances are probably pretty damn close to 0, maybe even negative. Not sure how Kirby comes out to lesser value than Miller or Woo, either.

If the Mariners are moving a pitcher, it's probably 1) trying to convince Luis Castillo to waive his NTC 1 year before he doesn't have it any more, 2A) Woo, 2B) Miller.

Yeah, I would expect Kirby to cost at least as much as Miller or Woo.

Also, I bet Castillo may be a bit more willing to waive his NTC than the average guy, if for no other reason than to pick his destination before he loses that option next year. 

[Cuzi]

19 minutes ago, Rex Buckingham said:

Also, I bet Castillo may be a bit more willing to waive his NTC than the average guy, if for no other reason than to pick his destination before he loses that option next year. 

I wouldn't be opposed to trading for Castillo, but he's strictly a salary dump in my eyes. He's negative value right now. Only reason I somewhat like the idea is because the Cubs love working with sliders and a big part of why Castillo lost a lot of his effectiveness this year was all the movement he lost on his slider. I would only trade a lottery ticket for him and probably ask for cash along with Castillo.

With that said, is it worth it for the Mariners to dump his salary?

Edited October 4, 2024 by Cuzi

[Rcal10]

1 hour ago, Cuzi said:

I wouldn't be opposed to trading for Castillo, but he's strictly a salary dump in my eyes. He's negative value right now. Only reason I somewhat like the idea is because the Cubs love working with sliders and a big part of why Castillo lost a lot of his effectiveness this year was all the movement he lost on his slider. I would only trade a lottery ticket for him and probably ask for cash along with Castillo.

With that said, is it worth it for the Mariners to dump his salary?

Castillo would be an interesting move. He isn’t cheap, but probably can still be an effective starter ahead of Taillon. And as you said, shouldn’t cost as much in the way if trading minor league assets. Not sure the Mariners would care so much about dumping salary, but they do have 4 other very good starters. So maybe that is something they would consider if they could then use that salary savings to sign a FA bat. I wouldn’t expect them to eat much of his salary, which is fine as long as the asset we dealt back was a lottery ticket. The more they eat if his salary the bigger the asset we have to send back. 

[Cuzi]

1 hour ago, Rcal10 said:

Not sure the Mariners would care so much about dumping salary,

If they dont care about dumping his salary then they likely dont care about trading him. He's owed $24M in each of the next 3 seasons, along with a vesting option for $25M. Value that option however you want. Even if you ignore the option he isn't worth the $24M/yr. He has been regressing for 2 seasons now and is more like Jameson Taillon right now. Add to the fact that the NTC is going to limit who they can even negotiate with because he gets to choose where he goes, then they aren't getting a damn thing for him. If they are hoping to trade Castillo for an equal value bat, it's not happening.

Cash would be the #1 reason to trade him. For instance, the Mariners need 2B/3B. Say the Astros don't re-sign Bregman. Bregman's AAV is probably going to be pretty damn close to Castillo's AAV.

[Rcal10]

43 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

If they dont care about dumping his salary then they likely dont care about trading him. He's owed $24M in each of the next 3 seasons, along with a vesting option for $25M. Value that option however you want. Even if you ignore the option he isn't worth the $24M/yr. He has been regressing for 2 seasons now and is more like Jameson Taillon right now. Add to the fact that the NTC is going to limit who they can even negotiate with because he gets to choose where he goes, then they aren't getting a damn thing for him. If they are hoping to trade Castillo for an equal value bat, it's not happening.

Cash would be the #1 reason to trade him. For instance, the Mariners need 2B/3B. Say the Astros don't re-sign Bregman. Bregman's AAV is probably going to be pretty damn close to Castillo's AAV.

Did you purposely leave out my next sentence when quoting me? I said maybe they would dump his salary to then add a FA bat. Same as what you said. 
When I said they might not care to dump salary I was referring to the the team bottom line total salary. 

[LBiittner]

6 hours ago, Cuzi said:

I wonder how available Clark Schmidt will be this offseason. If the Yankees lose Soto, they have 2 spots in the outfield to fill with Verdugo almost certainly not coming back. Jasson Dominguez is bound to get one of those spots, but they dont have anything for the other spot. They also need a new 2B/3B with Torres gone and Chisholm filling in wherever. They also need 1B. There's a lot to line up with the Cubs there and Schmidt is like #4 in their rotation with their top pitching prospect throwing some in MLB late in the season.

Schmidt would fit that Paredes type trade Jed was hinting at.

We can anticipate Belli ending up a Yanker. Makes extreme sense. Alonzo a yank? Not that I want to trade nico, but he might lineup in some sort of Schmidt deal?

[LBiittner]

5 hours ago, Cuzi said:

Seattle doesn't need an outfielder, so the chances are probably pretty damn close to 0, maybe even negative. Not sure how Kirby comes out to lesser value than Miller or Woo, either.

If the Mariners are moving a pitcher, it's probably 1) trying to convince Luis Castillo to waive his NTC 1 year before he doesn't have it any more, 2A) Woo, 2B) Miller.

I'm not versed well in the Seattle team $ situation. They had a slightly better record than the Cubs. And just fell short of the WC. I'm not sure why they'd trade good pitching? All the cubs can offer is basically kids + hoerner

[Rcal10]

2 hours ago, LBiittner said:

I'm not versed well in the Seattle team $ situation. They had a slightly better record than the Cubs. And just fell short of the WC. I'm not sure why they'd trade good pitching? All the cubs can offer is basically kids + hoerner

So in order to not have to explain every time why a team would want to make a trade why not just realize people are just bringing up ideas or wishes for a trade. Obviously no one knows what another team is thinking. As long as someone doesn’t suggest something like Otahi for Mastrobuoni why not just allow people to make suggestions. In the case of Seattle, they have an all mright handed staff. They also have a bad offense. So why wouldn’t they want to trade from a strength to add to a weakness? Also, we are talking about a team run by Dipino. He does, at times, do some unorthodox things. Just like when Cuzi brought up Schmidt. No one said. Why would they want to take a chance on a rookie bat when they can just buy a bat, why do we question the other team FO and what they might do. This is the off season. We are going to hear a lot of ideas and a lot of wants. It is also just fans talking. Bottom line is we don’t know what the Xhbs plan iA, let alone any other team. So maybe just listen to ideas instead of questioning why a team would do something. 

[LBiittner]

1 hour ago, Rcal10 said:

So in order to not have to explain every time why a team would want to make a trade why not just realize people are just bringing up ideas or wishes for a trade. Obviously no one knows what another team is thinking. As long as someone doesn’t suggest something like Otahi for Mastrobuoni why not just allow people to make suggestions. In the case of Seattle, they have an all mright handed staff. They also have a bad offense. So why wouldn’t they want to trade from a strength to add to a weakness? Also, we are talking about a team run by Dipino. He does, at times, do some unorthodox things. Just like when Cuzi brought up Schmidt. No one said. Why would they want to take a chance on a rookie bat when they can just buy a bat, why do we question the other team FO and what they might do. This is the off season. We are going to hear a lot of ideas and a lot of wants. It is also just fans talking. Bottom line is we don’t know what the Xhbs plan iA, let alone any other team. So maybe just listen to ideas instead of questioning why a team would do something. 

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[Stratos]

12 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

I like Schmidt. He would be a good option. Might not have to spend big on a starter if they brought him in. That would allow them to use a lot of dollars to add to offense and maybe the pen. 

Schmidt is ok.  Seems maybe slightly above average.  Like a Taillon type.  They could acquire someone like that in FA without much difficulty, they seem to do it every year.  Probably wouldn't take one of our top 5 prospects.

[Stratos]

On 10/3/2024 at 9:50 PM, Backtobanks said:

Obviously, we don't know if Vlad, Tucker, Crochet, etc. are available, but all I have been hearing on the board is how much money we have and how fantastic our ml system is, so we have the assets to pretty much acquire anybody that available.  We might have to overpay in dollars for a FA and prospects in a trade, but now is the time to do it.

I don't think they trade for a Vlad or Tucker.  A Crochet type is much more likely.  They didn't trade for Alonso with 1 year left either, seems like a bit of a waste of prospects for just a year at high arb salary.  Doubtful Vlad extends, he's one year out and probably wants to test FA.  Didn't sign an extension with the Jays.

[Stratos]

16 hours ago, jumbo said:

What are thoughts on Shaw being with the team from the break and playing regularly with the 2B/SS/3B group? 

Say 6 games a week, 18 game slots get split like 5/5/4/4 between Dansby/Paredes/Nico/Shaw. Nico and Shaw can move around based on who isn't playing. In the event of injury the other three play every day. 

Keep Shaw from being thrown to the wolves or rotting on the bench, gives you a little matchup related action.... 

I think Shaw should sit in AAA until Paredes/Dansby/Nico get injured.  Then they could look to trade one of them next winter and insert Shaw.  There's no sure bets for prospects but Shaw has the profile to succeed.

[Cuzi]

1 hour ago, Stratos said:

Schmidt is ok.  Seems maybe slightly above average.  Like a Taillon type.  They could acquire someone like that in FA without much difficulty, they seem to do it every year.  Probably wouldn't take one of our top 5 prospects.

If you give Schmidt Imanaga's innings this year, Schmidt is our best pitcher and he pitches in the AL East and it's his sophomore season as a starter in MLB. He's 79th percentile in missing bats. Taillon is 7th. Schmidt is better than Taillon and it's not really that close, imo. Taillon writes checks that his defense cashes.

The Cubs can sign a Schmidt, but that version of Schmidt isn't going to cost $5M.

Edited October 5, 2024 by Cuzi

[thawv]

On 10/3/2024 at 11:38 AM, CubinNY said:

If Cody opts out, I'm hyper-focused on trading Nico, moving Busch to 2nd base, and signing Vlad. Or they could keep Nico and have Vlad as a DH. But I want Vlad. 

I would love Vald, but there has to be a Cubs extension in place before I trade for a 1 year rental, and end up losing him in the FA market. 

[thawv]

On 10/3/2024 at 12:01 PM, Joj said:

Busch has been a 2B his whole life and would likely be fine there but that would mean Hoerner is traded which is raising my blood pressure just thinking about it.

Busch was a first baseman with a little LF action during his college career.  The Dodgers moved him off of his natural position because they liked Muncy.  Bush was not good at 2B, and he was not good at 3B either.  When they signed Freddie, Busch became expendable.  Playing 2B was a change of position for him. 

[Backtobanks]

24 minutes ago, thawv said:

I would love Vald, but there has to be a Cubs extension in place before I trade for a 1 year rental, and end up losing him in the FA market. 

Some of that money that people are throwing at Soto can be used to extend Vlad.

[Tim]

1 hour ago, Backtobanks said:

Some of that money that people are throwing at Soto can be used to extend Vlad.

I think Soto is a good bet over the longer term. I don't feel as confident with Vlad.

[Rcal10]

2 hours ago, thawv said:

I would love Vald, but there has to be a Cubs extension in place before I trade for a 1 year rental, and end up losing him in the FA market. 

Agree on Vlad. Love to have him. But any deal to get a big addition with only 1 year left in his deal has to come with an extension. If not, I don’t want the Cubs to give up solid minor league assets for one year of any player. That goes for Vlad, Tucker, or any high end pitcher who might be on his last year. Fine with trading for any of them, but they need them signed long term.

[Jason Ross]

2 hours ago, thawv said:

I would love Vald, but there has to be a Cubs extension in place before I trade for a 1 year rental, and end up losing him in the FA market. 

When was the last time a player was traded with an extension already in place? They don't happen. That has no whiff of changing any time soon. Lindor and Betts both were traded and then signed months after. That's the best case scenario. 

It's probably better to say "I would hope that the team was committed to offering them a market value deal upon trading for them" because if they are, chances are they can extend a Kyle Tucker or a Vlad later. But it's not happening on trade day.

If that's your hard limit you'd never trade for a player who's on his last year. 

[Rcal10]

12 hours ago, LBiittner said:

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