Bears week 6: Commanders on Thursday night

[jersey cubs fan]

Short week and bears are home underdogs to a 1 win team

 

[Derwood]

I had no idea that they had relocated Soldier Field to the Westgate SuperBook in Las Vegas. Does Arlington Heights know?

[Brian707]

I assume they will put this on ABC in the Chicago area?

 

The line is now Bears -1 at Fanduel and Betrivers.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

I assume they will put this on ABC in the Chicago area?

 

The line is now Bears -1 at Fanduel and Betrivers.

Interesting. It's currently a pick'em on Caesars.

 

A bit surprised, honestly. This feels like the kind of game the Bears usually find a way to scratch out the ugliest of ugly wins. I'm guessing Vegas is assuming most NFL fans/bettors/etc. just saw another Bears loss and are assuming the Bears looked just as offensively inept @ the Vikings as they showed the week(s) before.*

 

* To be clear, it's quite possible they're right and that yesterday was the exception, not the rule, and that we'll be right back to 7/17 for 126 yards with 0 TDs, 1 INT, and a fumble or two on Thursday.

[bukie]

The Bears desperately need a WR.

 

The Panthers desperately need salary relief.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

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The Bears desperately need a WR.

 

The Panthers desperately need salary relief.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

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I have 0 desire to trade for another WR this year. I don't see the point. DJ Moore will likely go for a Day 2 pick, if not a 1st. He's not going to put the Bears over the hump this year. And the GM just stockpiled 11 picks when he started with 5. I don't think he's willing to go down to 4-5 picks in Year 2 for a WR in a rebuilding year.

[mias_tisg]

Trying to find a way the Bears could lose this game but not seeing it. Commanders are a terrible team on a short week on the road.

 

If the Bears do lose though, they probably knock my projection of 6 wins down to 5 which might be a huge difference given how bunched up the league looks.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The Bears desperately need a WR.

 

The Panthers desperately need salary relief.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

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I have 0 desire to trade for another WR this year. I don't see the point. DJ Moore will likely go for a Day 2 pick, if not a 1st. He's not going to put the Bears over the hump this year. And the GM just stockpiled 11 picks when he started with 5. I don't think he's willing to go down to 4-5 picks in Year 2 for a WR in a rebuilding year.

 

is this an actual rumor out there or bukies wish list?

 

fwiw, I'd prolly do a #2 for Moore. Moore is a legit #1 and only 25 years old.

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Trying to find a way the Bears could lose this game but not seeing it. Commanders are a terrible team on a short week on the road.

 

If the Bears do lose though, they probably knock my projection of 6 wins down to 5 which might be a huge difference given how bunched up the league looks.

 

You can't find a way the 32nd ranked passing offense loses?

[UMFan83]

Kind of sucks that this is their only home game between September 26 and November 5, and its on a short week. While the schedule coming into the season looked easier the structure of it is not.

[bukie]

The Bears desperately need a WR.

 

The Panthers desperately need salary relief.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

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I have 0 desire to trade for another WR this year. I don't see the point. DJ Moore will likely go for a Day 2 pick, if not a 1st. He's not going to put the Bears over the hump this year. And the GM just stockpiled 11 picks when he started with 5. I don't think he's willing to go down to 4-5 picks in Year 2 for a WR in a rebuilding year.

It's not really for this year as it would be to get a younger quality WR set for the next 3 years without relying solely on the draft and making use of the cap space they'll have. There's no way Moore would require a first. I'd do a 3rd for him, though.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Bears desperately need a WR.

 

The Panthers desperately need salary relief.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

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I have 0 desire to trade for another WR this year. I don't see the point. DJ Moore will likely go for a Day 2 pick, if not a 1st. He's not going to put the Bears over the hump this year. And the GM just stockpiled 11 picks when he started with 5. I don't think he's willing to go down to 4-5 picks in Year 2 for a WR in a rebuilding year.

I’m sure poles won’t do it because it wrecks the plan of not having any good players, but I’d absolutely do it. He’s young enough to be a part of the offense for a decade, which could last through 4-5 QBs and 3-4 head coaches.

[WrigleyField 22]

If you're gonna part with draft picks for a player, like Moore, you better be willing to spend in FA in 2023 too.

 

I would struggle to part with a first, but I think it likely takes that. Maybe for a 2024 first instead of a 2023, but a first of some kind.

 

AJ Brown was a 1st and 3rd. That has to be the absolute minimum asking price to start for Carolina. But Brown was going to require a 100/4 extension whereas the acquiring team of Moore is getting a very friendly 51/3.

 

For a playoff hunt team that's pretty easy to justify. Not as much for the Bears. I think they could be a little more opportunistic than that if they wait until offseason.

Edited October 10, 2022 by WrigleyField 22

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The Bears desperately need a WR.

 

The Panthers desperately need salary relief.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

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I have 0 desire to trade for another WR this year. I don't see the point. DJ Moore will likely go for a Day 2 pick, if not a 1st. He's not going to put the Bears over the hump this year. And the GM just stockpiled 11 picks when he started with 5. I don't think he's willing to go down to 4-5 picks in Year 2 for a WR in a rebuilding year.

It's not really for this year as it would be to get a younger quality WR set for the next 3 years without relying solely on the draft and making use of the cap space they'll have. There's no way Moore would require a first. I'd do a 3rd for him, though.

 

Yeah, I know it's not for this year. But I think I'd rather use a high pick on WR and bank on either free agency or someone comes available for a lesser trade in the offseason. I feel like in season trades are more expensive because teams are desperate to make a run, see Rams trades the last few years.

[minnesotacubsfan]

If you're gonna part with draft picks for a player, like Moore, you better be willing to spend in FA in 2023 too.

 

I would struggle to part with a first, but I think it likely takes that. Maybe for a 2024 first instead of a 2023, but a first of some kind.

 

AJ Brown was a 1st and 3rd. That has to be the absolute minimum asking price to start for Carolina. But Brown was going to require a 100/4 extension whereas the acquiring team of Moore is getting a very friendly 51/3.

 

For a playoff hunt team that's pretty easy to justify. Not as much for the Bears. I think they could be a little more opportunistic than that if they wait until offseason.

 

 

there is absolutely nothing about signing Moore that would prohibit them from being "opportunistic" in the offseason. Not to mention, who in the offseason would be a better FA to get than Moore for the same value? If you could get him with a 2nd round pick, why wouldn't you?

 

hes good, cheap and young

[Hairyducked Idiot]

25 isn't young in nfl years.

[jersey cubs fan]

If you're gonna part with draft picks for a player, like Moore, you better be willing to spend in FA in 2023 too.

 

I cannot imagine a scenario where they are unwilling to spend in 2023. Ownership has opened the wallet in the past, and Poles already punted his first season. It’s not like you can carryover unused cap for future use. They have to spend in 2023.

[minnesotacubsfan]

25 isn't young in nfl years.

 

whats your proof on that genuis? fwiw, this site says the ave wr age is 27, so yes 25 is young

 

https://apexfantasyleagues.com/peak-age-for-nfl-wide-receiver/

[minnesotacubsfan]

If you're gonna part with draft picks for a player, like Moore, you better be willing to spend in FA in 2023 too.

 

I cannot imagine a scenario where they are unwilling to spend in 2023. Ownership has opened the wallet in the past, and Poles already punted his first season. It’s not like you can carryover unused cap for future use. They have to spend in 2023.

 

exactly. If Moore could be had at a reasonable pick, go for it. If it cost them a #2, they could still trade down in the 1st (assuming they would have top 10 pick) and get their 2nd rd pick back. At that point, they could start drafting bpa for all the holes they have and not have to be fixated on WR in the draft

Edited October 10, 2022 by minnesotacubsfan

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25 isn't young in nfl years.

 

It absolutely is.

 

Why do you insist on being so loud and so wrong, so often?

[WrigleyField 22]

If you're gonna part with draft picks for a player, like Moore, you better be willing to spend in FA in 2023 too.

 

I would struggle to part with a first, but I think it likely takes that. Maybe for a 2024 first instead of a 2023, but a first of some kind.

 

AJ Brown was a 1st and 3rd. That has to be the absolute minimum asking price to start for Carolina. But Brown was going to require a 100/4 extension whereas the acquiring team of Moore is getting a very friendly 51/3.

 

For a playoff hunt team that's pretty easy to justify. Not as much for the Bears. I think they could be a little more opportunistic than that if they wait until offseason.

 

 

there is absolutely nothing about signing Moore that would prohibit them from being "opportunistic" in the offseason. Not to mention, who in the offseason would be a better FA to get than Moore for the same value? If you could get him with a 2nd round pick, why wouldn't you?

 

hes good, cheap and young

I mean, saying for only a second negates a huge portion of my point. I'm highly skeptical that the cost would be that low.

 

Unfortunately with the 2023 FA group, I don't think you match Moore, but if there were a Cooper equivalent trade that would be pretty opportunistic and then you keep your high value picks and also try and draft some budding stars, and use FA on line and some better WR depth.

[jersey cubs fan]

25 isn't young in nfl years.

It pretty much is for receivers. It’s at the very least, youngish.

[minnesotacubsfan]

If you're gonna part with draft picks for a player, like Moore, you better be willing to spend in FA in 2023 too.

 

I would struggle to part with a first, but I think it likely takes that. Maybe for a 2024 first instead of a 2023, but a first of some kind.

 

AJ Brown was a 1st and 3rd. That has to be the absolute minimum asking price to start for Carolina. But Brown was going to require a 100/4 extension whereas the acquiring team of Moore is getting a very friendly 51/3.

 

For a playoff hunt team that's pretty easy to justify. Not as much for the Bears. I think they could be a little more opportunistic than that if they wait until offseason.

 

 

there is absolutely nothing about signing Moore that would prohibit them from being "opportunistic" in the offseason. Not to mention, who in the offseason would be a better FA to get than Moore for the same value? If you could get him with a 2nd round pick, why wouldn't you?

 

hes good, cheap and young

I mean, saying for only a second negates a huge portion of my point. I'm highly skeptical that the cost would be that low.

 

Unfortunately with the 2023 FA group, I don't think you match Moore, but if there were a Cooper equivalent trade that would be pretty opportunistic and then you keep your high value picks and also try and draft some budding stars, and use FA on line and some better WR depth.

 

man, I'd even be very tempted to go with a 1st for him.

[raw]

If you're gonna part with draft picks for a player, like Moore, you better be willing to spend in FA in 2023 too.

 

I cannot imagine a scenario where they are unwilling to spend in 2023. Ownership has opened the wallet in the past, and Poles already punted his first season. It’s not like you can carryover unused cap for future use. They have to spend in 2023.

 

exactly. If Moore could be had at a reasonable pick, go for it. If it cost them a #2, they could still trade down in the 1st (assuming they would have top 10 pick) and get their 2nd rd pick back. At that point, they could start drafting bpa for all the holes they have and not have to be fixated on WR in the draft

 

I'm pretty sure there is a cap floor (though I think it's based on actual cash spent) so the Bears pretty much HAVE to spend on something. And yeah, you can't punt on multiple seasons at the NFL level and expect to have a job.

 

As for the trade, that's still a lot of moving parts. I'd love DJ Moore, but I don't think you can "plan" on spending a 2nd and recouping it in the draft. If teams know you are going to trade down, and Poles now has a history and based on the roster would have the desperation to trade down, then you probably aren't getting as much on a trade down as you would otherwise. Plus, the right players have to be on the board, etc.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I cannot imagine a scenario where they are unwilling to spend in 2023. Ownership has opened the wallet in the past, and Poles already punted his first season. It’s not like you can carryover unused cap for future use. They have to spend in 2023.

 

exactly. If Moore could be had at a reasonable pick, go for it. If it cost them a #2, they could still trade down in the 1st (assuming they would have top 10 pick) and get their 2nd rd pick back. At that point, they could start drafting bpa for all the holes they have and not have to be fixated on WR in the draft

 

I'm pretty sure there is a cap floor (though I think it's based on actual cash spent) so the Bears pretty much HAVE to spend on something. And yeah, you can't punt on multiple seasons at the NFL level and expect to have a job.

 

As for the trade, that's still a lot of moving parts. I'd love DJ Moore, but I don't think you can "plan" on spending a 2nd and recouping it in the draft. If teams know you are going to trade down, and Poles now has a history and based on the roster would have the desperation to trade down, then you probably aren't getting as much on a trade down as you would otherwise. Plus, the right players have to be on the board, etc.

 

oh I agree, but trades in the 1st rd happen frequently enough that it's something that Poles could consider. And fwiw, why would he tell anyone that would be his plan? he wouldn't have to. But he also has FA to play in. My only point is there are ways that he could recoup that pick (or fill holes that 2nd rd pick would be for) and still walk away with a young stud WR for our young (hopefully) stud QB to throw to.