Week 2 - Bears @ Packers, SNF

[WrigleyField 22]

idk...we cant draw lines but...

 

 

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2022/09/19/just-to-be-clear-justin-fields-scored-that-touchdown/

You can even see his right finger tips touching the nose of the football as he tries to keep it secure:

The last time.l we clearly see a ball and not dark splotches, he is carrying it in this left hand. Lol Justin must have telekinesis and transferred to his right hand when we lose sight of the ball behind the blocker.

 

you're misreading that. he's carrying it with his left and covering it with his right hand. he has both hands on the ball. But hell, look at his helmet, its broke the plane and even in that image the ball is further forward then his helmet

His helmet placement is irrelevant. And that's not how he'd have been carrying the ball. He already had the point secured in his left hand. He wasn't transferring the point of the ball there. He projected the ball by keeping it close to his arm/chest which at that point are now roughly parallel, not perpendicular to the goalline.

[minnesotacubsfan]

But, I think one thing is clear, Fields isn't finding open wr's when he steps back way too much for one reason or another.

Are we sure any WR's are actually open?

 

 

I mean, thats exactly my point. he has no talent around him and thats been a known all off season. They probably aren't open, well, definitely aren't enough for Fields

[Old Style]

But, I think one thing is clear, Fields isn't finding open wr's when he steps back way too much for one reason or another.

Are we sure any WR's are actually open?

 

 

I mean, thats exactly my point. he has no talent around him and thats been a known all off season. They probably aren't open, well, definitely aren't enough for Fields

Right, no QB would be successful in his shoes.

[jersey cubs fan]

How many elite QBs look this bad in their second season? Not very many.

 

Some of them are still throwing too many INTs but still getting yards and TDs. But very few are setting futility records.

Very few elite qbs enter the league with this low of a level of talent around him

[jersey cubs fan]

Am I allowed to be annoyed about that?

And we are all allowed to be annoyed at your annoyingly wrong take on what it takes to overturn a play in replay.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Are we sure any WR's are actually open?

 

 

I mean, thats exactly my point. he has no talent around him and thats been a known all off season. They probably aren't open, well, definitely aren't enough for Fields

Right, no QB would be successful in his shoes.

 

 

yea, I hate knowing it too.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Am I allowed to be annoyed about that?

And we are all allowed to be annoyed at your annoyingly wrong take on what it takes to overturn a play in replay.

 

[jersey cubs fan]

To be fair to the coaching staff, 22 pass plays were called.

This is supposed to be a point in their favor?

 

It all comes back to the point that Poles set Fields up to fail and it’s looking very much like Fields is going to make his boss’s plan come to fruition.

[Old Style]

The Bears should draft a QB in the first round every year. Eventually they will stumble across a franchise QB, amirite?

[raw]

Fields hasn't even started a full season of games and he's being written off. Have any of those other QB's had as little talent around him as Fields does? It's comically bad. He may not be the answer but to expect any QB to succeed under similar circumstances is asinine.

 

This would be more convincing if it wasn't a copy-paste of the exact things I've been hearing about Bears QB busts since McNown.

 

Exactly! I mean it's true. That talent is bad. But like I've said all offseason....do you spend a ton of money and force it? Miami is doing this with Tua. And granted, he had 6 TDs and 500 yards passing yesterday, but ultimately, he's probably not good enough for them to have spent all that money around him. And I'd imagine in a couple years, they're wasting tons of money on that supporting cast with inconsistent QB play and a few season that they have nothing to show for. NYG has done that for Daniel Jones, and again they are 2-0, but they probably aren't actually good and have no cap space to add a proven QB to that team next year.

 

I love Fields as much as anyone on this board. My wife thinks I'd leave her for him if I ever actually met him (straight man crush). But at some point, he has to show some basic competencies of an NFL QB. He's still not throwing to open guys, when they do get open. He still isn't feeling the pass rush and moving in the pocket to avoid it. He's still holding onto the ball too long. And honestly, he hasn't really shown progress in that area. I know, new offense, new players everywhere, bad playcalling, whatever excuse you want to make, but they aren't going to sit around and spend huge money to add big-time talent around him if Fields isn't improving on those basic traits.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

How many elite QBs look this bad in their second season? Not very many.

 

Some of them are still throwing too many INTs but still getting yards and TDs. But very few are setting futility records.

Very few elite qbs enter the league with this low of a level of talent around him

 

Also true.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The Bears should draft a QB in the first round every year. Eventually they will stumble across a franchise QB, amirite?

 

quantity is a quality, and they have no experience or understanding on how to develop a qb

[raw]

The Bears should draft a QB in the first round every year. Eventually they will stumble across a franchise QB, amirite?

 

If the Bears drafted QB in the 1st every year, they'd still only have 1 more of them on the roster. They've traded like half of their 1st round picks in search of a QB or in pursuit of supporting cast around the guy they thought was their QB.

[Old Style]

Fields hasn't even started a full season of games and he's being written off. Have any of those other QB's had as little talent around him as Fields does? It's comically bad. He may not be the answer but to expect any QB to succeed under similar circumstances is asinine.

 

This would be more convincing if it wasn't a copy-paste of the exact things I've been hearing about Bears QB busts since McNown.

 

Exactly! I mean it's true. That talent is bad. But like I've said all offseason....do you spend a ton of money and force it? Miami is doing this with Tua. And granted, he had 6 TDs and 500 yards passing yesterday, but ultimately, he's probably not good enough for them to have spent all that money around him. And I'd imagine in a couple years, they're wasting tons of money on that supporting cast with inconsistent QB play and a few season that they have nothing to show for. NYG has done that for Daniel Jones, and again they are 2-0, but they probably aren't actually good and have no cap space to add a proven QB to that team next year.

 

I love Fields as much as anyone on this board. My wife thinks I'd leave her for him if I ever actually met him (straight man crush). But at some point, he has to show some basic competencies of an NFL QB. He's still not throwing to open guys, when they do get open. He still isn't feeling the pass rush and moving in the pocket to avoid it. He's still holding onto the ball too long. And honestly, he hasn't really shown progress in that area. I know, new offense, new players everywhere, bad playcalling, whatever excuse you want to make, but they aren't going to sit around and spend huge money to add big-time talent around him if Fields isn't improving on those basic traits.

Then the next QB is going to come in with the same lack of talent around him and we will be looking for yet another new QB two years after that. Lather rinse repeat, the Chicago Bears Way.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Fields hasn't even started a full season of games and he's being written off. Have any of those other QB's had as little talent around him as Fields does? It's comically bad. He may not be the answer but to expect any QB to succeed under similar circumstances is asinine.

 

This would be more convincing if it wasn't a copy-paste of the exact things I've been hearing about Bears QB busts since McNown.

 

Exactly! I mean it's true. That talent is bad. But like I've said all offseason....do you spend a ton of money and force it? Miami is doing this with Tua. And granted, he had 6 TDs and 500 yards passing yesterday, but ultimately, he's probably not good enough for them to have spent all that money around him. And I'd imagine in a couple years, they're wasting tons of money on that supporting cast with inconsistent QB play and a few season that they have nothing to show for. NYG has done that for Daniel Jones, and again they are 2-0, but they probably aren't actually good and have no cap space to add a proven QB to that team next year.

 

I love Fields as much as anyone on this board. My wife thinks I'd leave her for him if I ever actually met him (straight man crush). But at some point, he has to show some basic competencies of an NFL QB. He's still not throwing to open guys, when they do get open. He still isn't feeling the pass rush and moving in the pocket to avoid it. He's still holding onto the ball too long. And honestly, he hasn't really shown progress in that area. I know, new offense, new players everywhere, bad playcalling, whatever excuse you want to make, but they aren't going to sit around and spend huge money to add big-time talent around him if Fields isn't improving on those basic traits.

 

Poles didn't need to cripple the franchise and he wouldn't have with a more meaningful and purposeful offseason. I agree Fields has work to do, but comon there is no way Poles offseason made any damn sense towards building any type of competent offense

[Old Style]

I remember an argument with my brother back in the Kyle Orton era. In no way did I think Orton was THE guy at QB but with as good as the defense was my point was that with a little bit of help around him Orton could be sufficient to get us where we wanted to go. He laughed at me and said a top flight QB should make the guys around him better. Fast forward a few years to the Cutler era and then his tune changed to "Cutler can't do it himself he needs help."

[minnesotacubsfan]

I remember an argument with my brother back in the Kyle Orton era. In no way did I think Orton was THE guy at QB but with as good as the defense was my point was that with a little bit of help around him Orton could be sufficient to get us where we wanted to go. He laughed at me and said a top flight QB should make the guys around him better. Fast forward a few years to the Cutler era and then his tune changed to "Cutler can't do it himself he needs help."

 

 

the thing is, Orton HAD a better supporting cast then Fields does currently.

[Old Style]

I remember an argument with my brother back in the Kyle Orton era. In no way did I think Orton was THE guy at QB but with as good as the defense was my point was that with a little bit of help around him Orton could be sufficient to get us where we wanted to go. He laughed at me and said a top flight QB should make the guys around him better. Fast forward a few years to the Cutler era and then his tune changed to "Cutler can't do it himself he needs help."

 

 

the thing is, Orton HAD a better supporting cast then Fields does currently.

No question about it.

[raw]

 

This would be more convincing if it wasn't a copy-paste of the exact things I've been hearing about Bears QB busts since McNown.

 

Exactly! I mean it's true. That talent is bad. But like I've said all offseason....do you spend a ton of money and force it? Miami is doing this with Tua. And granted, he had 6 TDs and 500 yards passing yesterday, but ultimately, he's probably not good enough for them to have spent all that money around him. And I'd imagine in a couple years, they're wasting tons of money on that supporting cast with inconsistent QB play and a few season that they have nothing to show for. NYG has done that for Daniel Jones, and again they are 2-0, but they probably aren't actually good and have no cap space to add a proven QB to that team next year.

 

I love Fields as much as anyone on this board. My wife thinks I'd leave her for him if I ever actually met him (straight man crush). But at some point, he has to show some basic competencies of an NFL QB. He's still not throwing to open guys, when they do get open. He still isn't feeling the pass rush and moving in the pocket to avoid it. He's still holding onto the ball too long. And honestly, he hasn't really shown progress in that area. I know, new offense, new players everywhere, bad playcalling, whatever excuse you want to make, but they aren't going to sit around and spend huge money to add big-time talent around him if Fields isn't improving on those basic traits.

 

Poles didn't need to cripple the franchise and he wouldn't have with a more meaningful and purposeful offseason. I agree Fields has work to do, but comon there is no way Poles offseason made any damn sense towards building any type of competent offense

 

Again, I have said that there is a middle ground. He could have signed my favorite FA fit, Laken Tomlinson, and had one of the best guards in the league for the next 3-4 years. He could have drafted George Pickens over Kyler Gordon, who got his ass consistently handed to him last night in coverage and in the run game.

 

But Poles' goal wasn't to build a competent offense. He wants to build a competitive team. That's both sides of the ball. He didn't completely ignore offense. He didn't do enough on offense, but based on last night, he didn't do enough on D either. For whatever reason, he felt he needed a clean slate from what Pace left him with and didn't have any picks or money to work with. It's completely understandable and not an unreasonable offseason. Sucks that Fields was caught in the middle of it, but that's what happens when you let a lame duck GM trade multiple picks for a QB and push money into the future.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

To address some of the straw men floating around, I certainly am not expecting Fields to be objectively *good* in year 2, with a new coaching staff and scheme, and barely replacement-level offensive talent at the other skill positions.

 

The concern is the staff doesn’t seem to trust him to even *try* to run anything remotely resembling a modern NFL offense. Like, I can’t name a single WR on the Texans, or any WRs on the Cowboys other than Lamb. The Jaguars I guess have Christian Kirk, who’s fine. The Texans and Jaguars each have new staffs and offensive schemes in place this year. And yet somehow, those QBs are at least allowed to throw a pass every now and again. When Fields finally got his chance to run a sort-of/semi 2-minute drill at the end of last night’s game, it was…well, not great, Bob.

 

For me the upshot is (1) this season is nothing if not an evaluation period to see if maybe, *maybe*, Fields *could* someday maybe potentially possibly could be the guy, and yet (2) the scheme seems built entirely around “protecting” him from having to make the kinds of decisions and the sorts of throws he’d need to make to help answer that question.

 

The world isn’t ending, we were always going to lose last night’s game, and the entire offensive side of the roster blows. But all that having been said, I am increasingly fearful that the reason for (2) above is that we are suffering through another Trubisky situation where the staff has seen enough to determine (in its opinion) that Fields just ain’t ever gonna be that guy. Sincerely hope I’m wrong.

[Brian707]

The Bears only had the ball for 22 minutes, part of that was the (4) 3 and outs and part of that was the defense getting run over all game. That was a big reason for the low pass attempts, plus their own run game was successful. Fields has no talent around him, maybe the FO thinks he is a bust and will draft another QB next year or in 2024. I believe they have the most cap space of any team next season, it will be interesting to see what they do after this season.

[minnesotacubsfan]

To address some of the straw men floating around, I certainly am not expecting Fields to be objectively *good* in year 2, with a new coaching staff and scheme, and barely replacement-level offensive talent at the other skill positions.

 

The concern is the staff doesn’t seem to trust him to even *try* to run anything remotely resembling a modern NFL offense. Like, I can’t name a single WR on the Texans, or any WRs on the Cowboys other than Lamb. The Jaguars I guess have Christian Kirk, who’s fine. The Texans and Jaguars each have new staffs and offensive schemes in place this year. And yet somehow, those QBs are at least allowed to throw a pass every now and again. When Fields finally got his chance to run a sort-of/semi 2-minute drill at the end of last night’s game, it was…well, not great, Bob.

 

For me the upshot is (1) this season is nothing if not an evaluation period to see if maybe, *maybe*, Fields *could* someday maybe potentially possibly could be the guy, and yet (2) the scheme seems built entirely around “protecting” him from having to make the kinds of decisions and the sorts of throws he’d need to make to help answer that question.

 

The world isn’t ending, we were always going to lose last night’s game, and the entire offensive side of the roster blows. But all that having been said, I am increasingly fearful that the reason for (2) above is that we are suffering through another Trubisky situation where the staff has seen enough to determine (in its opinion) that Fields just ain’t ever gonna be that guy. Sincerely hope I’m wrong.

 

if they are making that judgement after 2 games of coaching him in their system, I would start worrying about the coaches as well. lots of anxiety to go around

[Tim]

The Bears only had the ball for 22 minutes, part of that was the (4) 3 and outs and part of that was the defense getting run over all game. That was a big reason for the low pass attempts, plus their own run game was successful. Fields has no talent around him, maybe the FO thinks he is a bust and will draft another QB next year or in 2024. I believe they have the most cap space of any team next season, it will be interesting to see what they do after this season.

I keep hearing about the pass totals being low because the run game was so successful. It worked on two drives. The rest of the game it was bad. If the run game were so successful, then they would not have had four 3 and outs.

[Brian707]

The Bears only had the ball for 22 minutes, part of that was the (4) 3 and outs and part of that was the defense getting run over all game. That was a big reason for the low pass attempts, plus their own run game was successful. Fields has no talent around him, maybe the FO thinks he is a bust and will draft another QB next year or in 2024. I believe they have the most cap space of any team next season, it will be interesting to see what they do after this season.

I keep hearing about the pass totals being low because the run game was so successful. It worked on two drives. The rest of the game it was bad. If the run game were so successful, then they would not have had four 3 and outs.

 

Those drives started out with sacks or penalties so maybe it was stupid play calling

[Bobson Dugnutt]

The Bears only had the ball for 22 minutes, part of that was the (4) 3 and outs and part of that was the defense getting run over all game. That was a big reason for the low pass attempts, plus their own run game was successful. Fields has no talent around him, maybe the FO thinks he is a bust and will draft another QB next year or in 2024. I believe they have the most cap space of any team next season, it will be interesting to see what they do after this season.

I keep hearing about the pass totals being low because the run game was so successful. It worked on two drives. The rest of the game it was bad. If the run game were so successful, then they would not have had four 3 and outs.

 

 

It seemed like they just moved away from it from the 2nd quarter until maybe mid 3rd. When they were leaning on it, it was working. 160 yards on 19 carries between Montgomery and Herbert is not “bad.”