Week 2 - Bears @ Packers, SNF

[jersey cubs fan]

 

If you don't see a TD here... you have an agenda.

That’s not how replay works. They don’t draw lines and assume things. It has to be clear and that wasn’t clear. If the roles were reversed we’d be apoplectic that they overturned a call without irrefutable evidence.

 

It probably was a touchdown, but barely and not clear on replay. If you run a play that leaves you open to that problem from an inch out, that’s on you. And even if they overturn that call the bears don’t win that game. Just freaking stop already.

[Soul]

 

If you don't see a TD here... you have an agenda.

That’s not how replay works. They don’t draw lines and assume things. It has to be clear and that wasn’t clear. If the roles were reversed we’d be apoplectic that they overturned a call without irrefutable evidence.

 

It probably was a touchdown, but barely and not clear on replay. If you run a play that leaves you open to that problem from an inch out, that’s on you. And even if they overturn that call the bears don’t win that game. Just freaking stop already.

 

That's exactly right.

[Soul]

horsefeathers this stupid franchise and its fans. The expectations for Fields are just plain stupid. He is at the start of his 2nd season in the NFL with his 2nd coaching staff, a horsefeathers OL (at least pass blocking-wise), no pass catchers whatsoever, and questionable play calling. He doesn't get any help from his defense either. Yet we expect All Pro level play because we've spent the last 3 decades getting shredded by Favre & Rodgers. And if anyone has forgotten, Rodgers spent three horsefeathering years on the sidelines learning before he was ever thrown into the fire. And he had much more talent around him to help him succeed. It's easy to see why the Bears never have any success at QB.

 

He's looking down his primary receiver and holding the ball way too long. OK, I guess you are right. It's still a little too early. But what you posted is like deja vu for every other failed QB the Bears have had. It's too early, he doesn't have help, too many coaches, etc etc.

 

I find it to be more likely at this point he will ultimately fail, for whatever reason(s) we want to point to. But since this season isn't going to be a good one anyway, I'm OK continuing to play him.

[Brian707]

 

It probably was a touchdown, but barely and not clear on replay. If you run a play that leaves you open to that problem from an inch out, that’s on you. And even if they overturn that call the bears don’t win that game. Just freaking stop already.

 

 

Exactly, the issue is not with replay its with the fact that the coaching staff called that stupid horsefeathering play on 4th and 6 inches.

[Old Style]

horsefeathers this stupid franchise and its fans. The expectations for Fields are just plain stupid. He is at the start of his 2nd season in the NFL with his 2nd coaching staff, a horsefeathers OL (at least pass blocking-wise), no pass catchers whatsoever, and questionable play calling. He doesn't get any help from his defense either. Yet we expect All Pro level play because we've spent the last 3 decades getting shredded by Favre & Rodgers. And if anyone has forgotten, Rodgers spent three horsefeathering years on the sidelines learning before he was ever thrown into the fire. And he had much more talent around him to help him succeed. It's easy to see why the Bears never have any success at QB.

 

He's looking down his primary receiver and holding the ball way too long. OK, I guess you are right. It's still a little too early. But what you posted is like deja vu for every other failed QB the Bears have had. It's too early, he doesn't have help, too many coaches, etc etc.

 

I find it to be more likely at this point he will ultimately fail, for whatever reason(s) we want to point to. But since this season isn't going to be a good one anyway, I'm OK continuing to play him.

Of course he's going to horsefeathering fail because that is what he's being set up to do. Tom Brady would fail in this position.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

How many elite QBs look this bad in their second season? Not very many.

 

Some of them are still throwing too many INTs but still getting yards and TDs. But very few are setting futility records.

[scarey]

 

If you don't see a TD here... you have an agenda.

That’s not how replay works. They don’t draw lines and assume things. It has to be clear and that wasn’t clear. If the roles were reversed we’d be apoplectic that they overturned a call without irrefutable evidence.

 

It probably was a touchdown, but barely and not clear on replay. If you run a play that leaves you open to that problem from an inch out, that’s on you. And even if they overturn that call the bears don’t win that game. Just freaking stop already.

 

1. It's pretty clear they do not draw lines on replays. If they did, they would have gotten the call right. It's kinda sad that just a dude with a JPG and MS Paint can do this in between work meetings though and the multi-billion dollar revenue generating NFL cannot.

2. I don't know about you... but it's pretty clear to me with or without a line. I wouldn't assume that everybody has the same relative geographical analysis abilities though, so I understand why the call was made the way it was made... that doesn't change the fact that the call was wrong.

3. Bad play calling is completely separate from the fact that it was a bad officiating call. Conflating the two doesn't make me wrong that it's a bad call.

 

I think the problem here is your reducing my response down to "The Bears were cheated out of a win". Please recognize that this is nothing more than a statement that the refs got this one specific officiating call wrong. That's it. Am I allowed to be annoyed about that?

[CubinNY]

horsefeathers this stupid franchise and its fans. The expectations for Fields are just plain stupid. He is at the start of his 2nd season in the NFL with his 2nd coaching staff, a horsefeathers OL (at least pass blocking-wise), no pass catchers whatsoever, and questionable play calling. He doesn't get any help from his defense either. Yet we expect All Pro level play because we've spent the last 3 decades getting shredded by Favre & Rodgers. And if anyone has forgotten, Rodgers spent three horsefeathering years on the sidelines learning before he was ever thrown into the fire. And he had much more talent around him to help him succeed. It's easy to see why the Bears never have any success at QB.

 

He's looking down his primary receiver and holding the ball way too long. OK, I guess you are right. It's still a little too early. But what you posted is like deja vu for every other failed QB the Bears have had. It's too early, he doesn't have help, too many coaches, etc etc.

 

I find it to be more likely at this point he will ultimately fail, for whatever reason(s) we want to point to. But since this season isn't going to be a good one anyway, I'm OK continuing to play him.

He had 11 pass attempts all game. Failure is assured.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The camera that took that image is at the goal line. If the ball looks past the front edge of the GL, it's a TD

 

That's a TD, in the replay you can watch that brown spot all the way across it, and make no mistake it's the football. You can clearly see it is the football the whole time. This image is small and pixelated, it's hardly the best look, but even in it you can still make out the football crossed the goal line

the orange line on this drawing is well outside the end zone

 

 

I take issue with that, its red!

 

and yea, I drew it with my finger on my iphone. Scarey did a much better job of illustrating it above. Buy like I said, you could see the ball cross the line in the replay.

 

And I dont agree that we would be livid if it was GB that got the benefit of a reversed call, only because you could see the ball cross the front edge of the goal line. It just seems like the Bears always run into something like this every time they play GB in GB.

 

whatever. screw the packers. who's next, Texans? lets hope they let Fields throw...to whom I have no idea..

[WrigleyField 22]

 

If you don't see a TD here... you have an agenda.

That’s not how replay works.

Come on, there's a small dark pixelated blotch though.

[d_money]

If Fields played against the Bears D, his performance would’ve been much better.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

It's pretty clear where Justin Fields ends and the ball begins in this image. The ball passed the plane.

That's only clear if you're high. It's literally unclear. It's a mess to decipher.

 

I'm really confused on why you want this to not be a TD so badly, but let me make it crystal horsefeathering clear to you.

I want Bears fans to not embarrass themselves and cry ref on a too close to call challenge after a godawful play all on a night they were clearly overmatched.

 

Even if replay didn't have the whole irrefutable proof to overturn burden that play is just soo damn close, it'd be more of a best guess scenario with limited facts (after considering how to apply a single camera angle on a question of a 3D plane issue).

 

But it was maybe a TD.

[minnesotacubsfan]

idk...we cant draw lines but...

 

 

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2022/09/19/just-to-be-clear-justin-fields-scored-that-touchdown/

[Soul]

Jeebus H Ba-jeebus, it's a dark splotch. There's no football to be seen. Get over it!

[Tryptamine]

The play calling has been really underwhelming so far. It's absurd to me that going into that last drive, Fields had 9 pass attempts and was 7/9 for 70 yards. The entire point of this season is to find out if Fields is the guy. You don't find that out by basically taking him entirely out of the game. Let him play and if he's going 14/30 for 3 picks then we have the data we need to move on from him, but we learn nothing on 9 pass attempts.

[raw]

horsefeathers this stupid franchise and its fans. The expectations for Fields are just plain stupid. He is at the start of his 2nd season in the NFL with his 2nd coaching staff, a horsefeathers OL (at least pass blocking-wise), no pass catchers whatsoever, and questionable play calling. He doesn't get any help from his defense either. Yet we expect All Pro level play because we've spent the last 3 decades getting shredded by Favre & Rodgers. And if anyone has forgotten, Rodgers spent three horsefeathering years on the sidelines learning before he was ever thrown into the fire. And he had much more talent around him to help him succeed. It's easy to see why the Bears never have any success at QB.

 

He's looking down his primary receiver and holding the ball way too long. OK, I guess you are right. It's still a little too early. But what you posted is like deja vu for every other failed QB the Bears have had. It's too early, he doesn't have help, too many coaches, etc etc.

 

I find it to be more likely at this point he will ultimately fail, for whatever reason(s) we want to point to. But since this season isn't going to be a good one anyway, I'm OK continuing to play him.

He had 11 pass attempts all game. Failure is assured.

 

He had 9 pass attempts while the game was still potentially competitive. 4 of them were screen passes.

 

But to the original post, it's got nothing to do with the Packers. Especially Rodgers, you can't sit a dude for 3 years anymore (unless ironically, you actually have Rodgers, apparently). We've seen Mahomes and Herbert in recent years come out as MVP level players right away. Granted Mahomes sat a year. Lamar won MVP his 1st full year starting. Watson was pretty good, pretty quickly. Imperfect guys like Jalen Hurts had some decent success early on (albeit mostly with his legs). Even Josh Allen, who was more raw than Fields coming out, showed more flashes by this point.

 

You have 3-4 years to figure out if these guys can play with the rookie deals and the decision on 5th year options for 1st round picks needing to be made. It's not unreasonable to expect to know leaning one way or another after 2 years. Granted, the 2nd year just started, but there's a pretty strong chance the Bears still don't know what they have in Fields by the end of this year because of the OL, weapons, 1st time play caller, whatever else. I don't think it's unreasonable for fans to have higher expectations than what they are seeing on the field. Even if it is, I don't think you should look to "fans" to have reasonable takes in the first place.

[Old Style]

Fields hasn't even started a full season of games and he's being written off. Have any of those other QB's had as little talent around him as Fields does? It's comically bad. He may not be the answer but to expect any QB to succeed under similar circumstances is asinine.

[WrigleyField 22]

idk...we cant draw lines but...

 

 

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2022/09/19/just-to-be-clear-justin-fields-scored-that-touchdown/

You can even see his right finger tips touching the nose of the football as he tries to keep it secure:

The last time.l we clearly see a ball and not dark splotches, he is carrying it in this left hand. Lol Justin must have telekinesis and transferred to his right hand when we lose sight of the ball behind the defender.

Edited September 19, 2022 by WrigleyField 22

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Fields hasn't even started a full season of games and he's being written off. Have any of those other QB's had as little talent around him as Fields does? It's comically bad. He may not be the answer but to expect any QB to succeed under similar circumstances is asinine.

 

This would be more convincing if it wasn't a copy-paste of the exact things I've been hearing about Bears QB busts since McNown.

[minnesotacubsfan]

i think an optometrist would make a killing with the posters here

 

 

I also agree that the lack of pass plays was a terrible game plan. I have no idea why Getsy called it that way, it seems he is either worried about Fields, the wr's, or the o-line. Fields only threw 17 times against SF, ran 11, sacked twice. If you assume all of those were designed pass plays, Getsy called 30 pass plays against SF.

 

11, 8 and 3 respectively for last night, so 22 called pass plays. Again, assuming none of Fields runs were designed to be QB run plays. Obviously some were. But, I think one thing is clear, Fields isn't finding open wr's when he steps back way too much for one reason or another.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

To be fair to the coaching staff, 22 pass plays were called. Fields only got off a passing attempt on 11 of them.

[Old Style]

Fields hasn't even started a full season of games and he's being written off. Have any of those other QB's had as little talent around him as Fields does? It's comically bad. He may not be the answer but to expect any QB to succeed under similar circumstances is asinine.

 

This would be more convincing if it wasn't a copy-paste of the exact things I've been hearing about Bears QB busts since McNown.

And that's on the horsefeathering mess of a franchise. Draft another QB in the next draft and the same horsefeathers is going to happen.

[minnesotacubsfan]

idk...we cant draw lines but...

 

 

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2022/09/19/just-to-be-clear-justin-fields-scored-that-touchdown/

You can even see his right finger tips touching the nose of the football as he tries to keep it secure:

The last time.l we clearly see a ball and not dark splotches, he is carrying it in this left hand. Lol Justin must have telekinesis and transferred to his right hand when we lose sight of the ball behind the blocker.

 

you're misreading that. he's carrying it with his left and covering it with his right hand. he has both hands on the ball. But hell, look at his helmet, its broke the plane and even in that image the ball is further forward then his helmet

[Old Style]

But, I think one thing is clear, Fields isn't finding open wr's when he steps back way too much for one reason or another.

Are we sure any WR's are actually open?

[WrigleyField 22]

To be fair to the coaching staff, 22 pass plays were called. Fields only got off a passing attempt on 11 of them.

Yea. Some blame lays on a combo of Fields and the protection and coverage, not just a straight counting of pass/run.