2022 Trade Deadline

[We Got The Whole 9]

Gasser will be a monster for them, watch

[itisallpartoftheplan]

 

Bob on top of it with the wrong Rogers.

[Cubswin11]

 

I'm officially baffled. Has there ever been a case where the division leader traded their closer at the deadline?

Eh, he’s a FA after next year and will cost $20 mil or so in arbitration, they’re not giving him a high 8 to 9 figure deal he will command once he’s a FA. Pitchers break all the time, etc , RPs are volatile. Brewers aren’t likely winning WS this year and have good RPs in place already and replaced him decently if they make a playoff run with Rogers and got other stuff plus money savings out of it. Think it’s a good move. I was hoping to snag Lamet as a flyer if we do something with the Padres.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Cubswin11

[CubinNY]

Aren't the Brewers in 1st place in the division? I'm telling you someone in the Cardinals org has sold his sole to lucifer.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Maybe I'm miscalibrated but that doesn't seem like an extreme price for the Padres to pay. Rogers is a 31 y/o FA to be that just pitched himself out of the closer's role, Gasser and Ruiz seem like useful pieces but neither is showing up on any Top 100 lists, plus you get Hader for another year before FA. Lamet is negative value to keep Hader's salary from pushing too hard on the LT.

[mul21]

Aren't the Brewers in 1st place in the division? I'm telling you someone in the Cardinals org has sold his sole to lucifer.

 

Williams slides to closer (and has been better than Hader this year), Rogers will set up, plus they got assets for the future. They lost almost nothing, especially with Hader's recent performance, saved money, and gained a bunch of controllable years. Really solid move for them and will likely have a net zero effect on contention this year. They need a bat more than anything to help them now.

[mias_tisg]

I'm not a fan of the return for the Brewers but Hader is very overpaid in arbitration (for a reliever at least) and the Brewers have been trying to deal him the last few years because of it and know he won't be there long term.

[Tryptamine]

If the tweet is accurate, the Mets aren't willing to move any of Alvarez, Baty, Ramirez, Vientos or Mauricio for a rental, so I don't see any possible way a Contreras/Robertson deal could possibly get done.

 

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[Transmogrified Tiger]

If the tweet is accurate, the Mets aren't willing to move any of Alvarez, Baty, Ramirez, Vientos or Mauricio for a rental, so I don't see any possible way a Contreras/Robertson deal could possibly get done.

 

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Yeah you could maybe see one of them getting done with some of the interesting pitching prospects, but both would be a stretch. That said, while I'm not quite as conspiratorial as Brett, I do agree with him that a lot of this is public posturing on the Mets side, and between the time pressure of the deadline and the possibility that other NL teams make upgrades(Soto, Montas, maybe Rodon, etc), I wouldn't be convinced that their prospect-clutching is a locked in certainty.

[Tryptamine]

If the tweet is accurate, the Mets aren't willing to move any of Alvarez, Baty, Ramirez, Vientos or Mauricio for a rental, so I don't see any possible way a Contreras/Robertson deal could possibly get done.

 

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Yeah you could maybe see one of them getting done with some of the interesting pitching prospects, but both would be a stretch. That said, while I'm not quite as conspiratorial as Brett, I do agree with him that a lot of this is public posturing on the Mets side, and between the time pressure of the deadline and the possibility that other NL teams make upgrades(Soto, Montas, maybe Rodon, etc), I wouldn't be convinced that their prospect-clutching is a locked in certainty.

 

At this point, I have my money on a the trio of Contreras, Robertson and Happ going to SD after they miss out on Soto.

[mul21]

If the tweet is accurate, the Mets aren't willing to move any of Alvarez, Baty, Ramirez, Vientos or Mauricio for a rental, so I don't see any possible way a Contreras/Robertson deal could possibly get done.

 

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Yeah you could maybe see one of them getting done with some of the interesting pitching prospects, but both would be a stretch. That said, while I'm not quite as conspiratorial as Brett, I do agree with him that a lot of this is public posturing on the Mets side, and between the time pressure of the deadline and the possibility that other NL teams make upgrades(Soto, Montas, maybe Rodon, etc), I wouldn't be convinced that their prospect-clutching is a locked in certainty.

 

At this point, I have my money on a the trio of Contreras, Robertson and Happ going to SD after they miss out on Soto.

 

No way on Robertson after the Hader deal and I doubt they have enough luxury tax room to add much else anyway.

[Tryptamine]

 

Yeah you could maybe see one of them getting done with some of the interesting pitching prospects, but both would be a stretch. That said, while I'm not quite as conspiratorial as Brett, I do agree with him that a lot of this is public posturing on the Mets side, and between the time pressure of the deadline and the possibility that other NL teams make upgrades(Soto, Montas, maybe Rodon, etc), I wouldn't be convinced that their prospect-clutching is a locked in certainty.

 

At this point, I have my money on a the trio of Contreras, Robertson and Happ going to SD after they miss out on Soto.

 

No way on Robertson after the Hader deal and I doubt they have enough luxury tax room to add much else anyway.

 

Why not Robertson? They were in on him before the Hader deal and they traded a closer to get a closer. Luxury tax would basically require the Cubs to take back like Snell, since Hosmer is reportedly not going anywhere.

[Tryptamine]

I would be very unhappy

 

 

POTENTIAL TRADE NO. 1: Mets get a catcher

 

Mets receive: Willson Contreras, David Robertson

Cubs receive: Calvin Ziegler, Joel Diaz

 

While giving up Diaz and Ziegler -- the Mets’ 10th- and 11th-ranked prospects -- would hurt quite a bit, it’s hardly an overpay for two players who could really help. Contreras in particular fits the Mets’ needs perfectly as a right-handed bat who can catch, too. He could split time with James McCann behind the plate and DH on days when he’s not catching. It’s exactly what New York needs. Robertson would be a nice tack-on addition, but if his presence makes things too expensive, I’d be inclined to drop him from the deal and seek relief help elsewhere.

 

Cubs reporter Jordan Bastian’s response: “On the surface, it feels like the Mets would need to add one more piece. I think Willson will command at least two. The key line that makes it work for me is, ‘I’d be inclined to drop [Robertson] from the deal and seek relief help elsewhere.’”

 

Verdict: Fine, let’s nix Robertson and do Ziegler and Díaz for Contreras alone. It’s a blow to the Mets’ organizational pitching depth, but they can buy their way out of that predicament this offseason.

 

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[Transmogrified Tiger]

[Bertz]

 

If we're doing tea leaves the Cards passing on Montas plus the Hader deal would make you wonder if the Cards are getting Soto

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

If we're doing tea leaves the Cards passing on Montas plus the Hader deal would make you wonder if the Cards are getting Soto

 

Their athletic beat writer was asked to guess and only had them getting a smallish SP pickup like Wacha or Eovaldi. Feels like unless things develop late with a new SP target(Rodon?) they're about in Soto or bust territory for the deadline, unless they add another reliever on top of Romero. Maybe they could talk the Marlins into a SP? They've worked with them in the past.

[Tim]

 

If we're doing tea leaves the Cards passing on Montas plus the Hader deal would make you wonder if the Cards are getting Soto

 

Their athletic beat writer was asked to guess and only had them getting a smallish SP pickup like Wacha or Eovaldi. Feels like unless things develop late with a new SP target(Rodon?) they're about in Soto or bust territory for the deadline, unless they add another reliever on top of Romero. Maybe they could talk the Marlins into a SP? They've worked with them in the past.

They could give them Liberatore to pair up with Alcantara

[Jaxbro]

Trey Mancini to the Astros in a 3 team deal

[Jaxbro]

Jose SIri going to Tampa in the Mancini deal

[Bertz]

 

Probably the third most likely Willson team, and most likely to take him solo

[Backtobanks]

It seems like there's a lot of catching competition for Contreras at the deadline. Murphy, Vasquez, Narvaez, have all been mentioned.

[Bertz]

Tommy Pham to Boston, which does not seem like a great idea

[CubinNY]

I would be very unhappy

 

 

POTENTIAL TRADE NO. 1: Mets get a catcher

 

Mets receive: Willson Contreras, David Robertson

Cubs receive: Calvin Ziegler, Joel Diaz

 

While giving up Diaz and Ziegler -- the Mets’ 10th- and 11th-ranked prospects -- would hurt quite a bit, it’s hardly an overpay for two players who could really help. Contreras in particular fits the Mets’ needs perfectly as a right-handed bat who can catch, too. He could split time with James McCann behind the plate and DH on days when he’s not catching. It’s exactly what New York needs. Robertson would be a nice tack-on addition, but if his presence makes things too expensive, I’d be inclined to drop him from the deal and seek relief help elsewhere.

 

Cubs reporter Jordan Bastian’s response: “On the surface, it feels like the Mets would need to add one more piece. I think Willson will command at least two. The key line that makes it work for me is, ‘I’d be inclined to drop [Robertson] from the deal and seek relief help elsewhere.’”

 

Verdict: Fine, let’s nix Robertson and do Ziegler and Díaz for Contreras alone. It’s a blow to the Mets’ organizational pitching depth, but they can buy their way out of that predicament this offseason.

 

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understatement.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Brett Phillips got DFA'd as a roster casualty of the Mancini deal, I kinda wouldn't mind giving him a shot at some OF PA. He can play a legitimate CF(unlike basically everyone on the current roster) and if the bat doesn't work in a new org then you can non-tender him if you like.