NFL Playoffs 2022

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

This is like all the people whining about the fairness of wild card play in games in MLB. Shut the horsefeathers up and win the game you whiners.

If this was a Bills board maybe you'd have a point. The rule objectively sucks and should be changed. "Win instead of deal with overtime" is some infintile playground argument non-sense.

 

I mean, the Bills legit had no business even being in overtime though, so this situation it makes sense somewhat. But in a game that's truly back and forth where it doesn't involve 1 team completely collapsing to get the game to OT, then "just win the game" doesn't mean as much.

...this confuses me. Which type of game was Chiefs-Bills?

[jersey cubs fan]

If suddent death is an absolute given (or the current variation of sudden death) :

 

My final compromise request would be to just follow the lead from XFL and do away with the coin toss altogether. Beginning of game included.

 

Home team chooses to receive or defer, and the KO swaps at halftime and at each OT period. As home team in the playoffs, you've earned the right to go for a strategic edge. You can play for the opportunity to get the extra second half possession by deferring, which is what most teams do today, or play for OT.

 

I think this is fun, but the NFL places so much ceremonial importance on the coin toss, they would probably refuse to do away with it. Good idea though if they could get past it.

[WrigleyField 22]

If suddent death is an absolute given (or the current variation of sudden death) :

 

My final compromise request would be to just follow the lead from XFL and do away with the coin toss altogether. Beginning of game included.

 

Home team chooses to receive or defer, and the KO swaps at halftime and at each OT period. As home team in the playoffs, you've earned the right to go for a strategic edge. You can play for the opportunity to get the extra second half possession by deferring, which is what most teams do today, or play for OT.

 

I think this is fun, but the NFL places so much ceremonial importance on the coin toss, they would probably refuse to do away with it. Good idea though if they could get past it.

We can do the coin toss for direction I guess.

 

And move every stadium into a dome and make Jerry Jones put up curtains so direction is pointless.

[raw]

If this was a Bills board maybe you'd have a point. The rule objectively sucks and should be changed. "Win instead of deal with overtime" is some infintile playground argument non-sense.

 

I mean, the Bills legit had no business even being in overtime though, so this situation it makes sense somewhat. But in a game that's truly back and forth where it doesn't involve 1 team completely collapsing to get the game to OT, then "just win the game" doesn't mean as much.

...this confuses me. Which type of game was Chiefs-Bills?

 

Bills clearly collapsed allowing a score in 13 seconds.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

I mean, the Bills legit had no business even being in overtime though, so this situation it makes sense somewhat. But in a game that's truly back and forth where it doesn't involve 1 team completely collapsing to get the game to OT, then "just win the game" doesn't mean as much.

...this confuses me. Which type of game was Chiefs-Bills?

 

Bills clearly collapsed allowing a score in 13 seconds.

There has never been a more "back and forth" game in NFL history. YOu could just as well say the Chiefs collapsed by letting the Bills score a TD in a minute. Or that the Bills "collapsed" by letting Hill score a 70 yard TD with less than 2 minutes remaining.

 

But more to the point, I don't give a FLYING horsefeathers HOW they got to overtime. Make overtime not be a luck-sack let down.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

The start of overtime is so lopsided of a starting point, it would be a huge improvement just to know who was going to start with the ball ahead of time. (Which makes the earlier suggestions of deciding everything on the first toss like the XFL good.) For instance, if the Bills knew the Chiefs were going to have possession, they probably would have gone for 2 after their last TD.

 

But my favorite set up would be college rules starting on the 50.

[raw]

...this confuses me. Which type of game was Chiefs-Bills?

 

Bills clearly collapsed allowing a score in 13 seconds.

There has never been a more "back and forth" game in NFL history. YOu could just as well say the Chiefs collapsed by letting the Bills score a TD in a minute. Or that the Bills "collapsed" by letting Hill score a 70 yard TD with less than 2 minutes remaining.

 

But more to the point, I don't give a FLYING horsefeathers HOW they got to overtime. Make overtime not be a luck-sack let down.

 

Obviously, you can't have different rules depending on how it gets to OT. Just saying that "just win the game" is more than a playground argument considering the Bills knew the likely consequences of allowing a FG in 13 seconds and losing the coin toss. If 49ers/Packers went to OT then "just win the game" would be more playground-ish. Semantics, I know.

[UMFan83]

...this confuses me. Which type of game was Chiefs-Bills?

 

Bills clearly collapsed allowing a score in 13 seconds.

There has never been a more "back and forth" game in NFL history. YOu could just as well say the Chiefs collapsed by letting the Bills score a TD in a minute. Or that the Bills "collapsed" by letting Hill score a 70 yard TD with less than 2 minutes remaining.

 

But more to the point, I don't give a FLYING horsefeathers HOW they got to overtime. Make overtime not be a luck-sack let down.

 

Never been a more back and forth playoff game maybe. Ravens/Vikings in 2013 featured 36 combined points in the last 2:07, vs. 25 in the last 1:54 in this one

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/331208033

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

Bills clearly collapsed allowing a score in 13 seconds.

There has never been a more "back and forth" game in NFL history. YOu could just as well say the Chiefs collapsed by letting the Bills score a TD in a minute. Or that the Bills "collapsed" by letting Hill score a 70 yard TD with less than 2 minutes remaining.

 

But more to the point, I don't give a FLYING horsefeathers HOW they got to overtime. Make overtime not be a luck-sack let down.

 

Obviously, you can't have different rules depending on how it gets to OT. Just saying that "just win the game" is more than a playground argument considering the Bills knew the likely consequences of allowing a FG in 13 seconds and losing the coin toss. If 49ers/Packers went to OT then "just win the game" would be more playground-ish. Semantics, I know.

I disagree on both points. You could obviously have different OT rules depending on how you got to OT. Maybe if the score is less than 20 total, you leave the rules as is, and if it's over 20 you use college rules, and over 70, you get your punters to play checkers against each other. I don't think that's a good way to set it up, but it could be done.

[bukie]

Playoff OT, home team should get the ball first, they had the better record and earned the spot.

 

Road team benefits because they'll know going into tight late game situations that they are not getting the ball first in OT, so they can plan accordingly.

 

Coin toss to decide direction of play, so you can keep the precious coin toss.

 

Keep the sudden death nature, football is already enough of an injury risk to players through 4 quarters.

[UMFan83]

[jersey cubs fan]

#NotPlayoffRelated

[NOLA]

A little different language there. He’s not coaching anywhere for awhile.

 

I think you can say Dennis Allen is the next HC of the Saints.

[OleMissCub]

[WrigleyField 22]

Playoff OT, home team should get the ball first, they had the better record and earned the spot.

 

Road team benefits because they'll know going into tight late game situations that they are not getting the ball first in OT, so they can plan accordingly.

 

Coin toss to decide direction of play, so you can keep the precious coin toss.

 

Keep the sudden death nature, football is already enough of an injury risk to players through 4 quarters.

Its a compromise at least. Only downside I guess it a home team with a tie may go real conservative at the end knowing they will get the ball back with plenty of time. But for that trade off we get sudden death excitement.

 

I'd still say give home team the choice either way. I really wanna see some coach give up first possession in OT because they got cute and lose lol

[jersey cubs fan]

Playoff OT, home team should get the ball first, they had the better record and earned the spot.

 

Road team benefits because they'll know going into tight late game situations that they are not getting the ball first in OT, so they can plan accordingly.

 

Coin toss to decide direction of play, so you can keep the precious coin toss.

 

Keep the sudden death nature, football is already enough of an injury risk to players through 4 quarters.

Its a compromise at least. Only downside I guess it a home team with a tie may go real conservative at the end knowing they will get the ball back with plenty of time. But for that trade off we get sudden death excitement.

 

I'd still say give home team the choice either way. I really wanna see some coach give up first possession in OT because they got cute and lose lol

IT's been done already

[UMFan83]

Playoff OT, home team should get the ball first, they had the better record and earned the spot.

 

Road team benefits because they'll know going into tight late game situations that they are not getting the ball first in OT, so they can plan accordingly.

 

Coin toss to decide direction of play, so you can keep the precious coin toss.

 

Keep the sudden death nature, football is already enough of an injury risk to players through 4 quarters.

 

I don't necessarily like it but I'd prefer it over the current setup, especially your point on strategy.

 

What about: both teams get a possession, the first team to receive the ball is only allowed to go for 2 if they score a TD, while the second team can kick an XP. Afterwards its sudden death. Gives the kicking team a slight advantage in the event the receiving team does not convert the 2 point conversion, but it doesn't give them too much of an advantage because the receiving team gets a sudden death 2nd possession.

 

I'm sure there are other downsides besides "games will go on forever" and 'too gimmicky', just spitballing ideas.

[CubColtPacer]

 

If that first number includes the playoffs, interestingly enough, that means in the regular season it's 76-66-10, or the coin-toss winner wins the game exactly half the time.

 

I'm bringing this back up since you referenced it a second time. It may be technically true that the coin toss winner team wins exactly half the time if you take out the playoff numbers and include the ties as "non-wins", but it's pretty misleading. Because if you do exactly the same for the non-coin toss winner teams, the non-coin toss winner teams only win 43.4% of the time even when taking out the playoff numbers (with the other 6.7% being those ties). That's still a pretty healthy advantage for the coin toss winner.

[Andy]

 

If that first number includes the playoffs, interestingly enough, that means in the regular season it's 76-66-10, or the coin-toss winner wins the game exactly half the time.

 

I'm bringing this back up since you referenced it a second time. It may be technically true that the coin toss winner team wins exactly half the time if you take out the playoff numbers and include the ties as "non-wins", but it's pretty misleading. Because if you do exactly the same for the non-coin toss winner teams, the non-coin toss winner teams only win 43.4% of the time even when taking out the playoff numbers (with the other 6.7% being those ties). That's still a pretty healthy advantage for the coin toss winner.

I don't consider 50-43.4 a statistically significant difference. There are a million potential reasons for that. If the end goal is an OT that produces an exact 50/50 split, good luck. Your best chance for that is probably literally deciding it with a coin toss.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

If that first number includes the playoffs, interestingly enough, that means in the regular season it's 76-66-10, or the coin-toss winner wins the game exactly half the time.

 

I'm bringing this back up since you referenced it a second time. It may be technically true that the coin toss winner team wins exactly half the time if you take out the playoff numbers and include the ties as "non-wins", but it's pretty misleading. Because if you do exactly the same for the non-coin toss winner teams, the non-coin toss winner teams only win 43.4% of the time even when taking out the playoff numbers (with the other 6.7% being those ties). That's still a pretty healthy advantage for the coin toss winner.

I don't consider 50-43.4 a statistically significant difference. There are a million potential reasons for that. If the end goal is an OT that produces an exact 50/50 split, good luck. Your best chance for that is probably literally deciding it with a coin toss.

I mean I guess the really intersting approach would be to also look at the point spread or dvoa ranking and seeing if there was any correlation where the stronger team was still tending to win independent of coin flip odds.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

I don't consider 50-43.4 a statistically significant difference.

Lol

[Andy]

I don't consider 50-43.4 a statistically significant difference.

Lol

So it's your position that a 6.6% difference in who wins an NFL overtime game with a sample size of 65 games or whatever it is is entirely due to the coin toss? That's your take?

[Derwood]

I don't consider 50-43.4 a statistically significant difference.

Lol

So it's your position that a 6.6% difference in who wins an NFL overtime game with a sample size of 65 games or whatever it is is entirely due to the coin toss? That's your take?

 

How about the 10-1 advantage in the coin toss winner in the playoffs?

[WrigleyField 22]

Lol

So it's your position that a 6.6% difference in who wins an NFL overtime game with a sample size of 65 games or whatever it is is entirely due to the coin toss? That's your take?

 

How about the 10-1 advantage in the coin toss winner in the playoffs?

Small sample, but it would be interesting to see regular season results of eventual playoff teams as an approximation of a larger "playoff" sample.

[Andy]

Just under 55 percent of college football overtime games are won by the coin-toss winner, higher than NFL regular season. Does that need to be stripped to its roots too? I'm just trying to figure out what the acceptable percentage is.