Bears off-season thread 2022

[Splendid Splinter]

Or a reminder that the leading Bears receiver in yards all time is just over 5,000 yards and he played 60 years ago.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Bears had an OTA cancelled today for violating CBA agreement with full contact in earlier OTAs.

 

Maybe a blip on the radar, but this is an inexperienced staff, with no person in charge of any area with experience in that role before, with the exception of the special teams coordinator. Probably a lot more growing pains we're going to have to deal with.

[UMFan83]

The Bears had an OTA cancelled today for violating CBA agreement with full contact in earlier OTAs.

 

Maybe a blip on the radar, but this is an inexperienced staff, with no person in charge of any area with experience in that role before, with the exception of the special teams coordinator. Probably a lot more growing pains we're going to have to deal with.

 

Good news:

 

In an odd note from The Athletic’s Kevin Fishbain, four of the last five NFL teams to be penalized for OTA infractions have made the playoffs: the 49ers and Cowboys (2021), Ravens (2018) and Seahawks (2016).

[jersey cubs fan]

The Bears had an OTA cancelled today for violating CBA agreement with full contact in earlier OTAs.

 

Maybe a blip on the radar, but this is an inexperienced staff, with no person in charge of any area with experience in that role before, with the exception of the special teams coordinator. Probably a lot more growing pains we're going to have to deal with.

 

Good news:

 

In an odd note from The Athletic’s Kevin Fishbain, four of the last five NFL teams to be penalized for OTA infractions have made the playoffs: the 49ers and Cowboys (2021), Ravens (2018) and Seahawks (2016).

breaking the law is the new market inefficiency

[Old Style]

The Bears had an OTA cancelled today for violating CBA agreement with full contact in earlier OTAs.

 

Maybe a blip on the radar, but this is an inexperienced staff, with no person in charge of any area with experience in that role before, with the exception of the special teams coordinator. Probably a lot more growing pains we're going to have to deal with.

 

Good news:

 

In an odd note from The Athletic’s Kevin Fishbain, four of the last five NFL teams to be penalized for OTA infractions have made the playoffs: the 49ers and Cowboys (2021), Ravens (2018) and Seahawks (2016).

breaking the law is the new market inefficiency

[UMFan83]

I don't disagree at all but...shots fired

 

[WrigleyField 22]

The Bears had an OTA cancelled today for violating CBA agreement with full contact in earlier OTAs.

 

Maybe a blip on the radar, but this is an inexperienced staff, with no person in charge of any area with experience in that role before, with the exception of the special teams coordinator. Probably a lot more growing pains we're going to have to deal with.

 

Good news:

 

In an odd note from The Athletic’s Kevin Fishbain, four of the last five NFL teams to be penalized for OTA infractions have made the playoffs: the 49ers and Cowboys (2021), Ravens (2018) and Seahawks (2016).

breaking the law is the new market inefficiency

New? Belichick has been for 2 decades.

[UMFan83]

Nothing to see here, just our QB hitting bombs at Wrigley

 

[UK]

Dakota Dozier gets carted off the field, hurting what no depth they had before.

 

Sign Ereck Flowers and Daryl Williams to keep Fields alive.

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Dakota Dozier gets carted off the field, hurting what no depth they had before.

 

Sign Ereck Flowers and Daryl Williams to keep Fields alive.

 

To be fair, Dozier is ass, and I was hoping he wouldn't make this team at all, yet he was working with the 1s. Nothing really changed as far as I'm concerned, they need at least 1 lineman better than everyone they have competing for the starting RG spot.

[WrigleyField 22]

No you see you don't need depth or actual good players because

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No you see you don't need depth or actual good players because

 

.........the GM and assistant GM were NFL O-linemen and know what to look for for OL prospects.

 

Is the go-to reasoning for people being OK with a severe lack of talent added to an already bad OL.

[WrigleyField 22]

No you see you don't need depth or actual good players because

 

.........the GM and assistant GM were NFL O-linemen and know what to look for for OL prospects.

 

Is the go-to reasoning for people being OK with a severe lack of talent added to an already bad OL.

Not only is it the go to reasoning, but 9 times out of 10 the people saying it are very indignant about it all lol.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

There's a certain truth to the fact that when most of the unit is replacement-level, depth is irrelevant. You're already bringing in dregs off the street to fill jobs, who cares if they get hurt and you have to turn to a different dreg off the street.

[WrigleyField 22]

There's a certain truth to the fact that when most of the unit is replacement-level, depth is irrelevant. You're already bringing in dregs off the street to fill jobs, who cares if they get hurt and you have to turn to a different dreg off the street.

I think this is an unneccsarily complex way to say that if your bad, being worse than bad is whatever.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

There's a certain truth to the fact that when most of the unit is replacement-level, depth is irrelevant. You're already bringing in dregs off the street to fill jobs, who cares if they get hurt and you have to turn to a different dreg off the street.

I think this is an unneccsarily complex way to say that if your bad, being worse than bad is whatever.

 

 

Kinda. It's more saying you aren't worse. Pro athletes are the tip of the bell curve, but it starts to widen out as you move down. There's a big difference between the 1st and 5th best tackle you can get, but there's probably no real difference between the 6th and 10th.

[WrigleyField 22]

There's a certain truth to the fact that when most of the unit is replacement-level, depth is irrelevant. You're already bringing in dregs off the street to fill jobs, who cares if they get hurt and you have to turn to a different dreg off the street.

I think this is an unneccsarily complex way to say that if your bad, being worse than bad is whatever.

 

 

Kinda. It's more saying you aren't worse. Pro athletes are the tip of the bell curve, but it starts to widen out as you move down. There's a big difference between the 1st and 5th best tackle you can get, but there's probably no real difference between the 6th and 10th.

Eh, if we're talking 6th to 10th we're still pretty far from replacement level too. More like 20th to 40th. The only real depth they added was day 3 rookies who rarely out produce replacement level vets.

[raw]

I think this is an unneccsarily complex way to say that if your bad, being worse than bad is whatever.

 

 

Kinda. It's more saying you aren't worse. Pro athletes are the tip of the bell curve, but it starts to widen out as you move down. There's a big difference between the 1st and 5th best tackle you can get, but there's probably no real difference between the 6th and 10th.

Eh, if we're talking 6th to 10th we're still pretty far from replacement level too. More like 20th to 40th. The only real depth they added was day 3 rookies who rarely out produce replacement level vets.

 

Yeah, I've had so many discussions this offseason that "Jason Peters was a shadow of his former self and James Daniels wasn't that good". Well, yeah, but now you got guys who you don't even know can play that well and all of them are about the same age or even older than Daniels was last year. Same with Robinson, sure he was bad. But Byron Pringle is coming off his only year producing more than Robinson and it's nowhere near most of ARob's career. Different does not equal better.

[gflore34]

 

 

Kinda. It's more saying you aren't worse. Pro athletes are the tip of the bell curve, but it starts to widen out as you move down. There's a big difference between the 1st and 5th best tackle you can get, but there's probably no real difference between the 6th and 10th.

Eh, if we're talking 6th to 10th we're still pretty far from replacement level too. More like 20th to 40th. The only real depth they added was day 3 rookies who rarely out produce replacement level vets.

 

Yeah, I've had so many discussions this offseason that "Jason Peters was a shadow of his former self and James Daniels wasn't that good". Well, yeah, but now you got guys who you don't even know can play that well and all of them are about the same age or even older than Daniels was last year. Same with Robinson, sure he was bad. But Byron Pringle is coming off his only year producing more than Robinson and it's nowhere near most of ARob's career. Different does not equal better.

 

My guess is their counting on an offense tailored to what Fields does well as the difference maker?

 

Because their actions on the player acquisition side have spoken to them not being on board with Fields development is our number one priority. They couldn't even bring themselves to draft the best WR available in Brisker' slot instead, waiting and drafting a long shot in Jones. What I don't get is why Poles was hired or, even considered, without being 100% committed to doing everything he can to help Fields improve.

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My guess is their counting on an offense tailored to what Fields does well as the difference maker?

 

Because their actions on the player acquisition side have spoken to them not being on board with Fields development is our number one priority. They couldn't even bring themselves to draft the best WR available in Brisker' slot instead, waiting and drafting a long shot in Jones. What I don't get is why Poles was hired or, even considered, without being 100% committed to doing everything he can to help Fields improve.

 

I've talked about this before as well. I don't think you can say that Poles isn't 100% committed to Fields and doing what it takes to help him improve. Like he had Fields watching tape of draftable WRs with him. He hired an offensive coaching staff from the top offensive coaching tree in the league right now. Fields has gotten almost 100% of the reps in minicamp and OTAs.

 

I likened it to a marriage. I'm 100% committed to my wife, but if you locked me in a room for hours with a naked Halle Berry, I can't make any promises. Poles can be 100% committed to Fields without staking his career on him before he's even seen him on the field. Nobody is saying the Jags aren't 100% committed to Lawrence because they spent a ton of money on WRs and OL. But if Lawrence isn't good, they wasted a bunch of money overpaying players for the team to continue to be bad. Granted, I would have loved to see Poles spend something worthwhile on a lineman, but if Fields isn't good, then you definitely aren't stuck with a bunch of bad offensive contracts on an offense without a QB.

 

I know people are looking at it as Fields isn't going to be able to succeed with a bad OL and without weapons. But we've seen guys have success in similar situations before. Josh Allen had a very similar "supporting cast" in year 2. Joe Burrow's OL led to a torn ACL and then he led them to a Superbowl despite them still not being that good. While those may be outliers, the common denominator is a good QB being extremely vital. With this cast, there's no Jared Goff situation here. You aren't going to be a few years deep in the situation and paying a guy a huge contract when you find out, "oh hey, this guy isn't that good, because this supporting cast and coaching staff is carrying the QB".

[champaignchris]

The Rams got to the Super Bowl with Goff and then included him in the package to acquire the QB that they won the Super Bowl with.

 

I’d happily take a “Jared Goff situation.”

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The Rams got to the Super Bowl with Goff and then included him in the package to acquire the QB that they won the Super Bowl with.

 

I’d happily take a “Jared Goff situation.”

 

It takes 2 to tango though. The "Jared Goff situation" is moreso having a QB carried by his offensive playcalling, yet too limited to get you over the top. Yeah, it worked out for the Rams. But usually, having the highest paid DT, CB, high paid WRs and OL play while having a QB that can't get you over the top is bad. And they gave up 2 1sts and ate millions of dollars to get rid of Goff. Like I said, it worked out because Stafford was available but it's not an ideal situation to build a team in.

 

Sure, the Fields situation is probably a success if he goes to a Superbowl and is perennially in the playoffs with the Bears. But it would all fall apart with no ring if the Bears have a bunch of money tied into him and players dependent on him for team success and they don't reach the ultimate success. McVay probably is on the hot seat right now if they didn't trade for Stafford.

[minnesotacubsfan]

. But usually, having the highest paid DT, CB, high paid WRs and OL

 

The Bears dont have any of this. They have cap space, but instated of committing one way or the other Poles has chose the center lane of blah

[minnesotacubsfan]

I know people are looking at it as Fields isn't going to be able to succeed with a bad OL and without weapons. But we've seen guys have success in similar situations before. Josh Allen had a very similar "supporting cast" in year 2. Joe Burrow's OL led to a torn ACL and then he led them to a Superbowl despite them still not being that good. \.

 

Im rather skeptical that Cincinnati will ever make it back to the SB with their current build. Even with massive upgrades to the OL and skill players on offense, talent wise they would only start to be online with the together AFC leaders like Buffalo or KC. They were a fluke, and LA showed the world that in end

[David]

I know people are looking at it as Fields isn't going to be able to succeed with a bad OL and without weapons. But we've seen guys have success in similar situations before. Josh Allen had a very similar "supporting cast" in year 2. Joe Burrow's OL led to a torn ACL and then he led them to a Superbowl despite them still not being that good. \.

 

Im rather skeptical that Cincinnati will ever make it back to the SB with their current build. Even with massive upgrades to the OL and skill players on offense, talent wise they would only start to be online with the together AFC leaders like Buffalo or KC. They were a fluke, and LA showed the world that in end

 

uh they have joe burrow, joe mixon, ja'marr chase, tee higgins... tyler boyd is their 3rd best WR.

 

what massive upgrades do they need to their skill players?