Bears off-season thread 2022

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

You can hear a pop right before he goes down and grabs at his leg. Wonder if it was his Achilles. Feel terrible for the dude.

Dang man. It's either ankle or Achillies. You'd think he'd be in more pain if it was Achillies, but that didn't look good.

[minnesotacubsfan]

That was horsefeathering terrible

[WrigleyField 22]

Ugh that's awful.

[Old Style]

Achilles it is.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33933533/former-bears-rb-tarik-cohen-injured-live-streamed-workout

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FO torches the Bears new regime’s offseason regarding Fields:

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2022/reckless-abandonment-justin-fields

 

This must be the answer to the question: How to sound like the biggest a-hole while making obvious criticisms against the Bears offseason?

 

Authors points:

WR corps looks bad, TE corps not good enough to make receiver group as a whole satisfactory (I agree)

Velus Jones not an ideal pick at 71 (I agree)

Poles is giving up on this season and will blame Pace (I do not agree)

Evaluating Fields is more important than BPA because it means a better evaluation of the most important position (I get it)

 

I wish more had been done to the offense, too. Developing Fields is critical, and giving him more weapons/OLine help would be/would have been awesome. Poles deserves some criticism of, or at least opinions on, his offseason, no doubt. This clown took 1000 words of hyperbole and not very funny sarcasm to make his case.

[jersey cubs fan]

FO torches the Bears new regime’s offseason regarding Fields:

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2022/reckless-abandonment-justin-fields

 

This must be the answer to the question: How to sound like the biggest a-hole while making obvious criticisms against the Bears offseason?

 

Authors points:

WR corps looks bad, TE corps not good enough to make receiver group as a whole satisfactory (I agree)

Velus Jones not an ideal pick at 71 (I agree)

Poles is giving up on this season and will blame Pace (I do not agree)

Evaluating Fields is more important than BPA because it means a better evaluation of the most important position (I get it)

 

I wish more had been done to the offense, too. Developing Fields is critical, and giving him more weapons/OLine help would be/would have been awesome. Poles deserves some criticism of, or at least opinions on, his offseason, no doubt. This clown took 1000 words of hyperbole and not very funny sarcasm to make his case.

What do you disagree with? Poles inherited a bad team and made no effort to make it competitive in 2022. They required bare minimum upgrades and didn't even try.

[minnesotacubsfan]

FO torches the Bears new regime’s offseason regarding Fields:

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2022/reckless-abandonment-justin-fields

 

This must be the answer to the question: How to sound like the biggest a-hole while making obvious criticisms against the Bears offseason?

 

Authors points:

WR corps looks bad, TE corps not good enough to make receiver group as a whole satisfactory (I agree)

Velus Jones not an ideal pick at 71 (I agree)

Poles is giving up on this season and will blame Pace (I do not agree)

Evaluating Fields is more important than BPA because it means a better evaluation of the most important position (I get it)

 

I wish more had been done to the offense, too. Developing Fields is critical, and giving him more weapons/OLine help would be/would have been awesome. Poles deserves some criticism of, or at least opinions on, his offseason, no doubt. This clown took 1000 words of hyperbole and not very funny sarcasm to make his case.

What do you disagree with? Poles inherited a bad team and made no effort to make it competitive in 2022. They required bare minimum upgrades and didn't even try.

yea, I dont know how anyone can look at what Poles has done (or more importantly not done) and think anything other than he doesn't believe in Fields

[jersey cubs fan]

 

This must be the answer to the question: How to sound like the biggest a-hole while making obvious criticisms against the Bears offseason?

 

Authors points:

WR corps looks bad, TE corps not good enough to make receiver group as a whole satisfactory (I agree)

Velus Jones not an ideal pick at 71 (I agree)

Poles is giving up on this season and will blame Pace (I do not agree)

Evaluating Fields is more important than BPA because it means a better evaluation of the most important position (I get it)

 

I wish more had been done to the offense, too. Developing Fields is critical, and giving him more weapons/OLine help would be/would have been awesome. Poles deserves some criticism of, or at least opinions on, his offseason, no doubt. This clown took 1000 words of hyperbole and not very funny sarcasm to make his case.

What do you disagree with? Poles inherited a bad team and made no effort to make it competitive in 2022. They required bare minimum upgrades and didn't even try.

yea, I dont know how anyone can look at what Poles has done (or more importantly not done) and think anything other than he doesn't believe in Fields

I can squint and rationalize a way that he believes in Fields, I just don't see how you can think Poles isn't giving up on the season.

[UMFan83]

 

This must be the answer to the question: How to sound like the biggest a-hole while making obvious criticisms against the Bears offseason?

 

Authors points:

WR corps looks bad, TE corps not good enough to make receiver group as a whole satisfactory (I agree)

Velus Jones not an ideal pick at 71 (I agree)

Poles is giving up on this season and will blame Pace (I do not agree)

Evaluating Fields is more important than BPA because it means a better evaluation of the most important position (I get it)

 

I wish more had been done to the offense, too. Developing Fields is critical, and giving him more weapons/OLine help would be/would have been awesome. Poles deserves some criticism of, or at least opinions on, his offseason, no doubt. This clown took 1000 words of hyperbole and not very funny sarcasm to make his case.

What do you disagree with? Poles inherited a bad team and made no effort to make it competitive in 2022. They required bare minimum upgrades and didn't even try.

yea, I dont know how anyone can look at what Poles has done (or more importantly not done) and think anything other than he doesn't believe in Fields

 

I see it as one of 2 things:

 

1) They don't believe in Fields and/or putting him in a position where if he's elite he'll show enough despite being hamstrung by resources or he'll prove to be a bust in which case they can justify dumping him and picking their own QB

2) They do believe in Fields and/or are natural on him and think that having a superior coaching staff/offensive gameplan and their handpicked scrap heap guys they added will make a giant difference.

 

If its the second one, then either they are really smart and have proven they have a strong ability to identify coaching and player talent, or they suffer from the same 'smartest guy in the room' syndrome that has been the downfall of so many other executives and coaches throughout the NFL.

 

I don't believe they are outright sabotaging him though necessarily. If Fields sucks so they trade him off and he becomes a star elsewhere, all the sudden Poles looks like a moron and his seat starts getting warm. You can count on one hand the number of 1st round QBs that fail on their original team and then become a star elsewhere. Brees...Favre...probably 1 or 2 I'm missing. Technically Favre was in the 2nd round but he was one of the first few picks of that round.

 

Tannehill improved moving to Tennessee but is hardly a star that made the previous GM look bad for letting go. Cutler probably had his best season with the Broncos though was mostly solid with the Bears, again hardly a star. Alex Smith became a borderline star in KC but that was after several years in SF with adequate to good QB play. I can't find anyone else even close going back to 2000. So yeah if Poles was really sabotaging Fields and then dumped him and he became a star elsewhere it would be pretty unprecedented and would immediately make him look like a complete moron.

[jersey cubs fan]

What do you disagree with? Poles inherited a bad team and made no effort to make it competitive in 2022. They required bare minimum upgrades and didn't even try.

yea, I dont know how anyone can look at what Poles has done (or more importantly not done) and think anything other than he doesn't believe in Fields

 

I see it as one of 2 things:

 

1) They don't believe in Fields and/or putting him in a position where if he's elite he'll show enough despite being hamstrung by resources or he'll prove to be a bust in which case they can justify dumping him and picking their own QB

2) They do believe in Fields and/or are natural on him and think that having a superior coaching staff/offensive gameplan and their handpicked scrap heap guys they added will make a giant difference.

 

If its the second one, then either they are really smart and have proven they have a strong ability to identify coaching and player talent, or they suffer from the same 'smartest guy in the room' syndrome that has been the downfall of so many other executives and coaches throughout the NFL.

 

I don't believe they are outright sabotaging him though necessarily. If Fields sucks so they trade him off and he becomes a star elsewhere, all the sudden Poles looks like a moron and his seat starts getting warm. You can count on one hand the number of 1st round QBs that fail on their original team and then become a star elsewhere. Brees...Favre...probably 1 or 2 I'm missing. Technically Favre was in the 2nd round but he was one of the first few picks of that round.

You can probably count on one hand the number of 1st round draft pick QBs who've been abandoned by a new regime.

 

I think there's a 3rd option in there. They have some level of faith in Fields but not enough to carry this team in 2022, which is what they'd need to contend this year. They aren't giving him weapons because if they did he'd be expected to use them? So they are going into 2022 with the hopes of being a run first, second and third team, maybe throwing 18 times a game just to mix things up. Load up on young depth on the offensive line, pound the ball, create an identity on offense while not actually scoring points, let the defense keep you in the game and maybe you win a couple unexpectedly. There are enough bad teams on this schedule that they can beat a few just with competence and turnovers, and then you load up in the 2023 draft with all the talent you can give Fields to open it up. If Fields stumbles in 2023, you draft your QB in 2024 and hope that guys shows enough in his 2nd year to net everybody a contract extension. Or if Fields survives this gauntlet you get that contract extension even sooner. Because by then you should have the surrounding cast to help a young QB.

 

The other issue though is I don't see how this defense can be anywhere close to dominant enough to keep this team in games this year.

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What do you disagree with? Poles inherited a bad team and made no effort to make it competitive in 2022. They required bare minimum upgrades and didn't even try.

yea, I dont know how anyone can look at what Poles has done (or more importantly not done) and think anything other than he doesn't believe in Fields

 

I see it as one of 2 things:

 

1) They don't believe in Fields and/or putting him in a position where if he's elite he'll show enough despite being hamstrung by resources or he'll prove to be a bust in which case they can justify dumping him and picking their own QB

2) They do believe in Fields and/or are natural on him and think that having a superior coaching staff/offensive gameplan and their handpicked scrap heap guys they added will make a giant difference.

 

If its the second one, then either they are really smart and have proven they have a strong ability to identify coaching and player talent, or they suffer from the same 'smartest guy in the room' syndrome that has been the downfall of so many other executives and coaches throughout the NFL.

 

I don't believe they are outright sabotaging him though necessarily. If Fields sucks so they trade him off and he becomes a star elsewhere, all the sudden Poles looks like a moron and his seat starts getting warm. You can count on one hand the number of 1st round QBs that fail on their original team and then become a star elsewhere. Brees...Favre...probably 1 or 2 I'm missing. Technically Favre was in the 2nd round but he was one of the first few picks of that round.

 

Responding to Jersey's original comment here -

I just don't think Poles and Eberflus agreed to tank this season. I think it's more that Poles knows it's a two year/multiyear rebuild and he (and Eberflus) believe that they can coach the team and Fields into better performance than last year. I think both realize they are not a playoff team this year and are building up what they can in year one, but I don't call that punting the season or tanking or giving up, whichever term you want to use. Could have and should have found a way to do more in FA, I agree.

 

I also think UM put it well that it's not sabotage, or not believing in Fields, which is how a lot of the media narrative reads. If Fields is the guy, with the "it" factor he will make those around him better, be a multiplier, will the team to victory. A lot of these buzzwords have been used in this agrument. He has to have a minimum threshold of talent around him for that to happen, and I understand the concern that he does not have that right now.

 

Main intent on my comment was I think that article was terribly written.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Responding to Jersey's original comment here -

I just don't think Poles and Eberflus agreed to tank this season. I think it's more that Poles knows it's a two year/multiyear rebuild and he (and Eberflus) believe that they can coach the team and Fields into better performance than last year. I think both realize they are not a playoff team this year and are building up what they can in year one, but I don't call that punting the season or tanking or giving up, whichever term you want to use. Could have and should have found a way to do more in FA, I agree.

I agree they didn't hatch a plan to purposely lose as many games as possible in 2022. Maybe Fields is too good to net them the #1 pick anyway. But that doesn't change the fact that Poles did nothing to help the 2022 team stand a chance at being competitive. It was all about 2023 and beyond. It's tanking.

[WrigleyField 22]

yea, I dont know how anyone can look at what Poles has done (or more importantly not done) and think anything other than he doesn't believe in Fields

 

I see it as one of 2 things:

 

1) They don't believe in Fields and/or putting him in a position where if he's elite he'll show enough despite being hamstrung by resources or he'll prove to be a bust in which case they can justify dumping him and picking their own QB

2) They do believe in Fields and/or are natural on him and think that having a superior coaching staff/offensive gameplan and their handpicked scrap heap guys they added will make a giant difference.

 

If its the second one, then either they are really smart and have proven they have a strong ability to identify coaching and player talent, or they suffer from the same 'smartest guy in the room' syndrome that has been the downfall of so many other executives and coaches throughout the NFL.

 

I don't believe they are outright sabotaging him though necessarily. If Fields sucks so they trade him off and he becomes a star elsewhere, all the sudden Poles looks like a moron and his seat starts getting warm. You can count on one hand the number of 1st round QBs that fail on their original team and then become a star elsewhere. Brees...Favre...probably 1 or 2 I'm missing. Technically Favre was in the 2nd round but he was one of the first few picks of that round.

You can probably count on one hand the number of 1st round draft pick QBs who've been abandoned by a new regime.

 

I think there's a 3rd option in there. They have some level of faith in Fields but not enough to carry this team in 2022, which is what they'd need to contend this year. They aren't giving him weapons because if they did he'd be expected to use them? So they are going into 2022 with the hopes of being a run first, second and third team, maybe throwing 18 times a game just to mix things up. Load up on young depth on the offensive line, pound the ball, create an identity on offense while not actually scoring points, let the defense keep you in the game and maybe you win a couple unexpectedly. There are enough bad teams on this schedule that they can beat a few just with competence and turnovers, and then you load up in the 2023 draft with all the talent you can give Fields to open it up. If Fields stumbles in 2023, you draft your QB in 2024 and hope that guys shows enough in his 2nd year to net everybody a contract extension. Or if Fields survives this gauntlet you get that contract extension even sooner. Because by then you should have the surrounding cast to help a young QB.

 

The other issue though is I don't see how this defense can be anywhere close to dominant enough to keep this team in games this year.

I think both of these posts are basically right.

 

Looking at the schedule and QBs they'll face, the D definitely could keep them in most games. Even if they have like a 3 win season, if it's Lions 2021 like people are probably going to view it somewhat favorably as they rarely got blown out. He's banking on that good will. And if they surpise up to like 8 wins, it's house money.

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yea, I dont know how anyone can look at what Poles has done (or more importantly not done) and think anything other than he doesn't believe in Fields

 

I see it as one of 2 things:

 

1) They don't believe in Fields and/or putting him in a position where if he's elite he'll show enough despite being hamstrung by resources or he'll prove to be a bust in which case they can justify dumping him and picking their own QB

2) They do believe in Fields and/or are natural on him and think that having a superior coaching staff/offensive gameplan and their handpicked scrap heap guys they added will make a giant difference.

 

If its the second one, then either they are really smart and have proven they have a strong ability to identify coaching and player talent, or they suffer from the same 'smartest guy in the room' syndrome that has been the downfall of so many other executives and coaches throughout the NFL.

 

I don't believe they are outright sabotaging him though necessarily. If Fields sucks so they trade him off and he becomes a star elsewhere, all the sudden Poles looks like a moron and his seat starts getting warm. You can count on one hand the number of 1st round QBs that fail on their original team and then become a star elsewhere. Brees...Favre...probably 1 or 2 I'm missing. Technically Favre was in the 2nd round but he was one of the first few picks of that round.

You can probably count on one hand the number of 1st round draft pick QBs who've been abandoned by a new regime.

 

I think there's a 3rd option in there. They have some level of faith in Fields but not enough to carry this team in 2022, which is what they'd need to contend this year. They aren't giving him weapons because if they did he'd be expected to use them? So they are going into 2022 with the hopes of being a run first, second and third team, maybe throwing 18 times a game just to mix things up. Load up on young depth on the offensive line, pound the ball, create an identity on offense while not actually scoring points, let the defense keep you in the game and maybe you win a couple unexpectedly. There are enough bad teams on this schedule that they can beat a few just with competence and turnovers, and then you load up in the 2023 draft with all the talent you can give Fields to open it up. If Fields stumbles in 2023, you draft your QB in 2024 and hope that guys shows enough in his 2nd year to net everybody a contract extension. Or if Fields survives this gauntlet you get that contract extension even sooner. Because by then you should have the surrounding cast to help a young QB.

 

The other issue though is I don't see how this defense can be anywhere close to dominant enough to keep this team in games this year.

 

I think there's plenty of faith in Fields. But Poles isn't willing to stake his career on his faith that Fields is the guy. If Poles had put all his eggs in on the "Fields is the man" basket and Fields isn't the man, then he's on the hot seat. If he had gone out and gotten involved in all these big WR trades and signed a couple linemen, that'd be a waste of money if Fields isn't the QB they expect him to be. I wanted Armstead once I saw how the OL market went, but if Fields isn't the guy, Armstead would have been too expensive for a team with no QB. He'd also be too old by the time they find a new QB. If they had traded for Amari Cooper or AJ Brown or Tyreke Hill or something, you'd be paying 20Mil+ for a WR with nobody to throw them the ball. And most of all, you'd create expectations. Expectations for the team, for Fields, and most of all for Poles. If you fail to meet expectations, the GM is on the hot seat. And if Fields fails with a ton of resources spent to help him, then the Poles would be looked at as the guy who didn't hire a coach to develop Fields. Nobody would care that Pace is the one that drafted a bust.

 

The way Poles has played it, he's hedging his bets. Like, I believe my wife is forever faithful, but I wouldn't put her in a room with a naked Jason Momoa. He can believe Fields is great, but he shouldn't necessarily bet his future as a GM on a guy he didn't draft. This gives Poles and company 2022 to evaluate Fields, in person. If he is not the guy, then they probably have another similar offseason this time next year, because they are stuck with Fields for for at least 1 more after this one. But if he is the guy, now you have a full allotment of draft picks, potentially a lot of young pieces on defense (Smith, Johnson, Gordon, Gipson, Brisker all 26 or under), and a bunch of cap room in 2023.

 

They are definitely tanking 2022 for the most part. But I don't think they will be as run heavy as you think. I think they will throw plenty. But they will definitely try to get the ball out of Fields' hands quicker and to playmakers. Rodgers has thrown the ball quicker and shorter in the last 2 seasons (under Getsy) than he ever had in his career. And the results were back-to-back MVPs. Obviously, Fields isn't putting up those level numbers, but I do think they will throw short a bunch. And it's something Fields needs to work on so he's not holding onto the ball as long as he's used to and not taking as many hits as he did last year. It allows you to take advantage of his deep ball prowess if the defense also has to respect the short game. And if executed properly, I think this team can perform much better than a tanking season would indicate.

[gflore34]

 

I see it as one of 2 things:

 

1) They don't believe in Fields and/or putting him in a position where if he's elite he'll show enough despite being hamstrung by resources or he'll prove to be a bust in which case they can justify dumping him and picking their own QB

2) They do believe in Fields and/or are natural on him and think that having a superior coaching staff/offensive gameplan and their handpicked scrap heap guys they added will make a giant difference.

 

If its the second one, then either they are really smart and have proven they have a strong ability to identify coaching and player talent, or they suffer from the same 'smartest guy in the room' syndrome that has been the downfall of so many other executives and coaches throughout the NFL.

 

I don't believe they are outright sabotaging him though necessarily. If Fields sucks so they trade him off and he becomes a star elsewhere, all the sudden Poles looks like a moron and his seat starts getting warm. You can count on one hand the number of 1st round QBs that fail on their original team and then become a star elsewhere. Brees...Favre...probably 1 or 2 I'm missing. Technically Favre was in the 2nd round but he was one of the first few picks of that round.

You can probably count on one hand the number of 1st round draft pick QBs who've been abandoned by a new regime.

 

I think there's a 3rd option in there. They have some level of faith in Fields but not enough to carry this team in 2022, which is what they'd need to contend this year. They aren't giving him weapons because if they did he'd be expected to use them? So they are going into 2022 with the hopes of being a run first, second and third team, maybe throwing 18 times a game just to mix things up. Load up on young depth on the offensive line, pound the ball, create an identity on offense while not actually scoring points, let the defense keep you in the game and maybe you win a couple unexpectedly. There are enough bad teams on this schedule that they can beat a few just with competence and turnovers, and then you load up in the 2023 draft with all the talent you can give Fields to open it up. If Fields stumbles in 2023, you draft your QB in 2024 and hope that guys shows enough in his 2nd year to net everybody a contract extension. Or if Fields survives this gauntlet you get that contract extension even sooner. Because by then you should have the surrounding cast to help a young QB.

 

The other issue though is I don't see how this defense can be anywhere close to dominant enough to keep this team in games this year.

 

I think there's plenty of faith in Fields. But Poles isn't willing to stake his career on his faith that Fields is the guy. If Poles had put all his eggs in on the "Fields is the man" basket and Fields isn't the man, then he's on the hot seat. If he had gone out and gotten involved in all these big WR trades and signed a couple linemen, that'd be a waste of money if Fields isn't the QB they expect him to be. I wanted Armstead once I saw how the OL market went, but if Fields isn't the guy, Armstead would have been too expensive for a team with no QB. He'd also be too old by the time they find a new QB. If they had traded for Amari Cooper or AJ Brown or Tyreke Hill or something, you'd be paying 20Mil+ for a WR with nobody to throw them the ball. And most of all, you'd create expectations. Expectations for the team, for Fields, and most of all for Poles. If you fail to meet expectations, the GM is on the hot seat. And if Fields fails with a ton of resources spent to help him, then the Poles would be looked at as the guy who didn't hire a coach to develop Fields. Nobody would care that Pace is the one that drafted a bust.

 

The way Poles has played it, he's hedging his bets. Like, I believe my wife is forever faithful, but I wouldn't put her in a room with a naked Jason Momoa. He can believe Fields is great, but he shouldn't necessarily bet his future as a GM on a guy he didn't draft. This gives Poles and company 2022 to evaluate Fields, in person. If he is not the guy, then they probably have another similar offseason this time next year, because they are stuck with Fields for for at least 1 more after this one. But if he is the guy, now you have a full allotment of draft picks, potentially a lot of young pieces on defense (Smith, Johnson, Gordon, Gipson, Brisker all 26 or under), and a bunch of cap room in 2023.

 

They are definitely tanking 2022 for the most part. But I don't think they will be as run heavy as you think. I think they will throw plenty. But they will definitely try to get the ball out of Fields' hands quicker and to playmakers. Rodgers has thrown the ball quicker and shorter in the last 2 seasons (under Getsy) than he ever had in his career. And the results were back-to-back MVPs. Obviously, Fields isn't putting up those level numbers, but I do think they will throw short a bunch. And it's something Fields needs to work on so he's not holding onto the ball as long as he's used to and not taking as many hits as he did last year. It allows you to take advantage of his deep ball prowess if the defense also has to respect the short game. And if executed properly, I think this team can perform much better than a tanking season would indicate.

 

Well, ESPN' FPI has them getting the number one pick, citing the Mack, Hicks and Robinson departures. Which doesn't make much sense, since all of those players were basically MIA non-factors last season. I believe we'll see, compared to last season, a big jump from Fields, every QB in an offensive scheme that Getsy' going to run has improved on his previous season. Even Trevor Siemian managed an 8-6 record with 3000+ yards, 18 TDs and 10 INTs under the same offense, I think its safe to say Fields has more than Siemian. An improvement from Fields should translate into more points thereby, giving the Bears a chance to win enough games to stay away from the #1 pick. May still end up in the top 10 but, not lose enough to garner the first pick. Just please no more of the meathead run, run, run manage the clock and hope to generate some TO's BS.

[WrigleyField 22]

Just please no more of the meathead run, run, run manage the clock and hope to generate some TO's BS.

I think that's more or less the plan for 2021. Not that they won't try and develop Fields progressions and stuff, but I think they'll lean on a run game and hope to end up in positions where they're just playing from behind and have to throw.

[jersey cubs fan]

Just please no more of the meathead run, run, run manage the clock and hope to generate some TO's BS.

I think that's more or less the plan for 2021. Not that they won't try and develop Fields progressions and stuff, but I think they'll lean on a run game and hope to end up in positions where they're just playing from behind and have to throw.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well, ESPN' FPI has them getting the number one pick, citing the Mack, Hicks and Robinson departures. Which doesn't make much sense, since all of those players were basically MIA non-factors last season. I believe we'll see, compared to last season, a big jump from Fields, every QB in an offensive scheme that Getsy' going to run has improved on his previous season. Even Trevor Siemian managed an 8-6 record with 3000+ yards, 18 TDs and 10 INTs under the same offense, I think its safe to say Fields has more than Siemian. An improvement from Fields should translate into more points thereby, giving the Bears a chance to win enough games to stay away from the #1 pick. May still end up in the top 10 but, not lose enough to garner the first pick. Just please no more of the meathead run, run, run manage the clock and hope to generate some TO's BS.

 

The lack of playmakers on defense and lack of even decent players on offense does keep the #1 pick on the table. I bet it won't happen. But I'd be shocked if they are drafting outside the top ten in 2023. And they are absolutely going to run run run manage the clock and hope to generate TOs. The only part of the offense that is remotely above average is the running back room. They have a little bit of depth and diversity there. They have one receiver who can easily be double teamed and shutdown with no other threats.

 

Siemian had Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders, both coming off multiple 1,000 yard receiving seasons when he put up those numbers for a defending super bowl championship team. Fields is in the first year of a new system with a horrible supporting cast. It's not the same situation.

[gflore34]

Just please no more of the meathead run, run, run manage the clock and hope to generate some TO's BS.

I think that's more or less the plan for 2021. Not that they won't try and develop Fields progressions and stuff, but I think they'll lean on a run game and hope to end up in positions where they're just playing from behind and have to throw.

 

Wouldn't the video apply to both the year reference and the style of football?

[gflore34]

Well, ESPN' FPI has them getting the number one pick, citing the Mack, Hicks and Robinson departures. Which doesn't make much sense, since all of those players were basically MIA non-factors last season. I believe we'll see, compared to last season, a big jump from Fields, every QB in an offensive scheme that Getsy' going to run has improved on his previous season. Even Trevor Siemian managed an 8-6 record with 3000+ yards, 18 TDs and 10 INTs under the same offense, I think its safe to say Fields has more than Siemian. An improvement from Fields should translate into more points thereby, giving the Bears a chance to win enough games to stay away from the #1 pick. May still end up in the top 10 but, not lose enough to garner the first pick. Just please no more of the meathead run, run, run manage the clock and hope to generate some TO's BS.

 

The lack of playmakers on defense and lack of even decent players on offense does keep the #1 pick on the table. I bet it won't happen. But I'd be shocked if they are drafting outside the top ten in 2023. And they are absolutely going to run run run manage the clock and hope to generate TOs. The only part of the offense that is remotely above average is the running back room. They have a little bit of depth and diversity there. They have one receiver who can easily be double teamed and shutdown with no other threats.

 

Siemian had Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders, both coming off multiple 1,000 yard receiving seasons when he put up those numbers for a defending super bowl championship team. Fields is in the first year of a new system with a horrible supporting cast. It's not the same situation.

 

I was thinking about who Siemian had on offense, did not take the time to look nevertheless, I do not think its beyond the realm of possibilities that Fields will improve. At the very least this coaching staff will make a better attempt at putting him in a position to succeed, this alone should make a positive difference.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well, ESPN' FPI has them getting the number one pick, citing the Mack, Hicks and Robinson departures. Which doesn't make much sense, since all of those players were basically MIA non-factors last season. I believe we'll see, compared to last season, a big jump from Fields, every QB in an offensive scheme that Getsy' going to run has improved on his previous season. Even Trevor Siemian managed an 8-6 record with 3000+ yards, 18 TDs and 10 INTs under the same offense, I think its safe to say Fields has more than Siemian. An improvement from Fields should translate into more points thereby, giving the Bears a chance to win enough games to stay away from the #1 pick. May still end up in the top 10 but, not lose enough to garner the first pick. Just please no more of the meathead run, run, run manage the clock and hope to generate some TO's BS.

 

The lack of playmakers on defense and lack of even decent players on offense does keep the #1 pick on the table. I bet it won't happen. But I'd be shocked if they are drafting outside the top ten in 2023. And they are absolutely going to run run run manage the clock and hope to generate TOs. The only part of the offense that is remotely above average is the running back room. They have a little bit of depth and diversity there. They have one receiver who can easily be double teamed and shutdown with no other threats.

 

Siemian had Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders, both coming off multiple 1,000 yard receiving seasons when he put up those numbers for a defending super bowl championship team. Fields is in the first year of a new system with a horrible supporting cast. It's not the same situation.

 

I was thinking about who Siemian had on offense, did not take the time to look nevertheless, I do not think its beyond the realm of possibilities that Fields will improve. At the very least this coaching staff will make a better attempt at putting him in a position to succeed, this alone should make a positive difference.

I am assuming Fields does improve, but improving on his rookie year doesn't necessarily translate to more than a handful of wins this season. If he eclipses 3,000 yards with 60% completion percentage and throws as many TDs as INTs while fumbling only 10 times with this supporting cast he will have shown marked improvement from last year and this team will still suck.

[gflore34]

 

The lack of playmakers on defense and lack of even decent players on offense does keep the #1 pick on the table. I bet it won't happen. But I'd be shocked if they are drafting outside the top ten in 2023. And they are absolutely going to run run run manage the clock and hope to generate TOs. The only part of the offense that is remotely above average is the running back room. They have a little bit of depth and diversity there. They have one receiver who can easily be double teamed and shutdown with no other threats.

 

Siemian had Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders, both coming off multiple 1,000 yard receiving seasons when he put up those numbers for a defending super bowl championship team. Fields is in the first year of a new system with a horrible supporting cast. It's not the same situation.

 

I was thinking about who Siemian had on offense, did not take the time to look nevertheless, I do not think its beyond the realm of possibilities that Fields will improve. At the very least this coaching staff will make a better attempt at putting him in a position to succeed, this alone should make a positive difference.

I am assuming Fields does improve, but improving on his rookie year doesn't necessarily translate to more than a handful of wins this season. If he eclipses 3,000 yards with 60% completion percentage and throws as many TDs as INTs while fumbling only 10 times with this supporting cast he will have shown marked improvement from last year and this team will still suck.

 

I'll take the marked improvement, at this point it's all that matters, wins and losses are not that important now. Development of younger players and Fields should be the priorities.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Development of younger players and Fields should be the priorities.

 

it should be, but not giving him any help skill player wise is quite the approach. I'm not sure how that works really

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The lack of playmakers on defense and lack of even decent players on offense does keep the #1 pick on the table. I bet it won't happen. But I'd be shocked if they are drafting outside the top ten in 2023. And they are absolutely going to run run run manage the clock and hope to generate TOs. The only part of the offense that is remotely above average is the running back room. They have a little bit of depth and diversity there. They have one receiver who can easily be double teamed and shutdown with no other threats.

 

Siemian had Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders, both coming off multiple 1,000 yard receiving seasons when he put up those numbers for a defending super bowl championship team. Fields is in the first year of a new system with a horrible supporting cast. It's not the same situation.

 

I was thinking about who Siemian had on offense, did not take the time to look nevertheless, I do not think its beyond the realm of possibilities that Fields will improve. At the very least this coaching staff will make a better attempt at putting him in a position to succeed, this alone should make a positive difference.

I am assuming Fields does improve, but improving on his rookie year doesn't necessarily translate to more than a handful of wins this season. If he eclipses 3,000 yards with 60% completion percentage and throws as many TDs as INTs while fumbling only 10 times with this supporting cast he will have shown marked improvement from last year and this team will still suck.

 

I don't think anyone is really expecting more than a handful of wins. But I do think you can see 3500 ish yards if he plays all 17. I'd hope for at least a 2:1 TD:INT ratio, 62-65% completions and 400-500 rushing. The ceiling with the offensive talent is probably no better than bottom 1/3 of the league.

 

But I do think the defense has potential to be decent. Eberflus took a less talented group to a top 10 D in 2018 (his 1st season, taking over a D previously ranked in the 20s). The Bears are probably better than the 2018 Colts at DE and DB for sure, if the rookies live up to the hype quickly. The Colts had a rookie Darius Leonard, so the Bears LBs could certainly be better as well. This was 2 years before the Colts got Buckner, so their DTs weren't anything special either. I won't assume top 10 D right away, but no reason they shouldn't be among the top 1/2 of teams on D. Outside of Rodgers twice, Dak and Josh Allen the Bears play....

 

Cousins x 2

Goff x 2

Jimmy G or inexperienced Lance

Davis Mills, Drew Lock, Daniel Jones, Wentz, Tua, Mac Jones, Wilson, Hurts, and Mariota. That's a very defense-friendly schedule. And I don't see any reason the Bears can't hang around in at least 10 of those games.

[WrigleyField 22]

That schedule is at least half the reason for optimism for the 2022 Bears (ha, got it right that time). The other half is Fields.

 

Just very funny to see a segment of Bears twitter that's so upset the media is discounting the Bears roster. And objectively those media guys are right, but there's a decent chance the smoke and mirrors of an easy rschedule will obfuscate that and make those takes look bad in 9 months.

 

Then going into 2023, the Bears will spend a boatload in FA and probably get another boost. If Fields becomes a real star in that timeframe, Poles then gets easy sailing from there on out. But you can look over at the Browns for instance, and they were still trying to figure out Mayfield into year 4, but still liked him enough to pick up a guaranteed year 5 option, only to trade a haul for Watson less than a year later.