Bears off-season thread 2022

[gflore34]

 

Yes, this, not firing Nagy, was one of the parts McCaskey had to get right, there's hope.

[Bertz]

Oohhh heeelll yeeaaahh!

 

Seriously, nobody likes to lose their job (been there). They'll land on their feet somewhere else though. Maybe not in their current positions / levels.

 

I agree on Pace. I think he'll get a role as like an AGM or Scouting Director or something like that, and probably be pretty successful.

 

Nagy though? I think he's gonna have to drop down to college, and not a good one. Most failed head coaches were highly thought of coordinators, and can just slide back into that role. But after the last 2-3 years, who in their right mind would give Nagy an OC job?

[jersey cubs fan]

Oohhh heeelll yeeaaahh!

 

Seriously, nobody likes to lose their job (been there). They'll land on their feet somewhere else though. Maybe not in their current positions / levels.

 

I agree on Pace. I think he'll get a role as like an AGM or Scouting Director or something like that, and probably be pretty successful.

 

Nagy though? I think he's gonna have to drop down to college, and not a good one. Most failed head coaches were highly thought of coordinators, and can just slide back into that role. But after the last 2-3 years, who in their right mind would give Nagy an OC job?

Andy Reid.

[Wilson A2000]

Go big or go home. Sean Payton coach and GM. Traded for your #2 pick or Harbaugh and Fangio.

[jersey cubs fan]

George will talk to the press at 1pm

[David]

Go get McDaniels

[Cubfanintheknow]

Glad they’re both gone, but confidence is not high that the Bears will get this right.

 

I want to hear McCaskey say that Ted Phillips will have no say in the hiring process.

[Brian]

Glad they’re both gone, but confidence is not high that the Bears will get this right.

 

I want to hear McCaskey say that Ted Phillips will have no say in the hiring process.

 

Seems possible

 

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[David]

Glad they’re both gone, but confidence is not high that the Bears will get this right.

 

I want to hear McCaskey say that Ted Phillips will have no say in the hiring process.

 

What does it really matter, either way? Does McCaskey making the hire on his own make you feel any better than Phillips?

 

We just have to hope they manage to get it right, even if it's accidentally.

[Old Style]

Watch Nagy end up as Alabama's next OC after BOB goes back to the NFL.

[TarzanJoeWallis]

Glad they’re both gone, but confidence is not high that the Bears will get this right.

 

I want to hear McCaskey say that Ted Phillips will have no say in the hiring process.

 

What does it really matter, either way? Does McCaskey making the hire on his own make you feel any better than Phillips?

 

We just have to hope they manage to get it right, even if it's accidentally.

Yes, because it means the next GM probably reports directly to George and not to Ted. I think that opens up more possibilities of people being interested, or at least not being scared away by the reporting structure.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea assuming nothing else changes I think having HC/GM is about 85% an issue of PR.

 

If there's any other organizational changes announced maybe there is more to it there. But in any org structure do any of us think that a Presidents voice in the hiring/firing decisions is any more than like 15% of the impact compared to the owner? If the owner really ends up disagreeing they just make the decision or sometimes even chose the GM over the President.

[WrigleyField 22]

Glad they’re both gone, but confidence is not high that the Bears will get this right.

 

I want to hear McCaskey say that Ted Phillips will have no say in the hiring process.

 

What does it really matter, either way? Does McCaskey making the hire on his own make you feel any better than Phillips?

 

We just have to hope they manage to get it right, even if it's accidentally.

Yes, because it means the next GM probably reports directly to George and not to Ted. I think that opens up more possibilities of people being interested, or at least not being scared away by the reporting structure.

I'd be shocked to learn that the report structure ever scared away a good candidate. It's much adieu about very little.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yea assuming nothing else changes I think having HC/GM is about 85% an issue of PR.

 

If there's any other organizational changes announced maybe there is more to it there. But in any org structure do any of us think that a Presidents voice in the hiring/firing decisions is any more than like 15% of the impact compared to the owner? If the owner really ends up disagreeing they just make the decision or sometimes even chose the GM over the President.

I think, at least early on, George didn't have much of an opinion, or at least conviction in his opinion. He clearly relied heavily on Phillips after coming out of the ticket sales department. He basically said Ted makes the decisions back when he became chairman and his job was to help Ted make those decisions. Maybe he feels more confident in himself making the decisions now.

[UMFan83]

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Yea assuming nothing else changes I think having HC/GM is about 85% an issue of PR.

 

If there's any other organizational changes announced maybe there is more to it there. But in any org structure do any of us think that a Presidents voice in the hiring/firing decisions is any more than like 15% of the impact compared to the owner? If the owner really ends up disagreeing they just make the decision or sometimes even chose the GM over the President.

I think, at least early on, George didn't have much of an opinion, or at least conviction in his opinion. He clearly relied heavily on Phillips after coming out of the ticket sales department. He basically said Ted makes the decisions back when he became chairman and his job was to help Ted make those decisions. Maybe he feels more confident in himself making the decisions now.

 

Yeah. That's what I'm taking from this. It's actually feasible. He's consulted with guys that know football. I'm sure he's spoken with plenty of other owners and gotten advice. Not saying he's an expert at this point, but he isn't any less qualified than Phillips to make decisions.

[UMFan83]

I really wanted to create my “Guess what an idiot with a visor did this time (Get fired!)” thread but I’ll settle for Nagy and Pace being gone

[Bertz]

 

Brown's an interesting candidate, but I'm definitely LOLing at pretending like Quenton Nelson was a savvy pick. He was the best O-line prospect in like a decade.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Brown's an interesting candidate, but I'm definitely LOLing at pretending like Quenton Nelson was a savvy pick. He was the best O-line prospect in like a decade.

Taking him when they did was a smart move. It's not like he was the consensus #1 overall pick. He was rumored to the Bears a couple spots later. They could have traded out of the spot. Teams often shy away from guards that early, but they did it. They deserve credit for making the right decision.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea assuming nothing else changes I think having HC/GM is about 85% an issue of PR.

 

If there's any other organizational changes announced maybe there is more to it there. But in any org structure do any of us think that a Presidents voice in the hiring/firing decisions is any more than like 15% of the impact compared to the owner? If the owner really ends up disagreeing they just make the decision or sometimes even chose the GM over the President.

I think, at least early on, George didn't have much of an opinion, or at least conviction in his opinion. He clearly relied heavily on Phillips after coming out of the ticket sales department. He basically said Ted makes the decisions back when he became chairman and his job was to help Ted make those decisions. Maybe he feels more confident in himself making the decisions now.

Hm maybe. He as pretty confident to not go the consultant role with the Emery hire after the org had used a search firm for Angelo. Then he reverted back to consultant.

 

Maybe a cycle of overconfidence early, humbling of his status and now settling into a more normal owner function.

[UMFan83]

 

Brown's an interesting candidate, but I'm definitely LOLing at pretending like Quenton Nelson was a savvy pick. He was the best O-line prospect in like a decade.

Taking him when they did was a smart move. It's not like he was the consensus #1 overall pick. He was rumored to the Bears a couple spots later. They could have traded out of the spot. Teams often shy away from guards that early, but they did it. They deserve credit for making the right decision.

 

This is true but it's funny that the last 3 Tackles the Bears have taken in the 1st were Gabe Carimi, Chris Williams and Marc Colombo while the last Guard the Bears have taken in the 1st was Kyle Long.

[Cubfanintheknow]

Glad they’re both gone, but confidence is not high that the Bears will get this right.

 

I want to hear McCaskey say that Ted Phillips will have no say in the hiring process.

 

What does it really matter, either way? Does McCaskey making the hire on his own make you feel any better than Phillips?

 

We just have to hope they manage to get it right, even if it's accidentally.

Yes, because it means the next GM probably reports directly to George and not to Ted. I think that opens up more possibilities of people being interested, or at least not being scared away by the reporting structure.

 

The Bears need a football guy running the football operations. Phillips is not a football guy. He's a business man who just so happens to work for a football team. I don't want his bias making decisions that have a huge impact on the field. It hasn't worked for almost 25 years... so it probably won't work now.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea assuming nothing else changes I think having HC/GM is about 85% an issue of PR.

 

If there's any other organizational changes announced maybe there is more to it there. But in any org structure do any of us think that a Presidents voice in the hiring/firing decisions is any more than like 15% of the impact compared to the owner? If the owner really ends up disagreeing they just make the decision or sometimes even chose the GM over the President.

I think, at least early on, George didn't have much of an opinion, or at least conviction in his opinion. He clearly relied heavily on Phillips after coming out of the ticket sales department. He basically said Ted makes the decisions back when he became chairman and his job was to help Ted make those decisions. Maybe he feels more confident in himself making the decisions now.

 

Yeah. That's what I'm taking from this. It's actually feasible. He's consulted with guys that know football. I'm sure he's spoken with plenty of other owners and gotten advice. Not saying he's an expert at this point, but he isn't any less qualified than Phillips to make decisions.

Qualified to make decisions on a HC/GM hire, no probably not. Though I might give a slight edge to someone who worked their way to the spot rather than more or less inherit it. That's not a absolute guarantee of capability, but it prob means something.

 

None of which is meant as a direct defense of Phillips. But resignation that there isn't really a choice for owner (though there's like 10 other kids they haven't tried out as chairman, not sure that matters lol) and either George alone or George and Ted is just basically rolling dice until you find the right person to lead football ops and neither is gonna directly cultivate that.

 

Prove me wrong George. Don't only hire the right guy, actively support him in building out the best football org in football. Spearhead something and directly support the GM doing something useful in operations!

[UMFan83]

Didn't Virginia have 11 children? Tried Mike, tried George. Lets just keep trying a new one every couple of years until we find one that's competent.

[CubinNY]

I think, at least early on, George didn't have much of an opinion, or at least conviction in his opinion. He clearly relied heavily on Phillips after coming out of the ticket sales department. He basically said Ted makes the decisions back when he became chairman and his job was to help Ted make those decisions. Maybe he feels more confident in himself making the decisions now.

 

Yeah. That's what I'm taking from this. It's actually feasible. He's consulted with guys that know football. I'm sure he's spoken with plenty of other owners and gotten advice. Not saying he's an expert at this point, but he isn't any less qualified than Phillips to make decisions.

Qualified to make decisions on a HC/GM hire, no probably not. Though I might give a slight edge to someone who worked their way to the spot rather than more or less inherit it. That's not a absolute guarantee of capability, but it prob means something.

 

None of which is meant as a direct defense of Phillips. But resignation that there isn't really a choice for owner (though there's like 10 other kids they haven't tried out as chairman, not sure that matters lol) and either George alone or George and Ted is just basically rolling dice until you find the right person to lead football ops and neither is gonna directly cultivate that.

 

Prove me wrong George. Don't only hire the right guy, actively support him in building out the best football org in football. Spearhead something and directly support the GM doing something useful in operations!

I read something the other day saying that they had too few people doing too much work in the front office. It kind of reminds me of the Cubs stories when the Ricketts took over and let Theo hire people (of course they fired most of them).