NFL Week 11

[UMFan83]

It's week 11 now so I'm creating a new thread.

 

Lot of smoke about NFL expansion being considered as a way to resolve the St. Louis lawsuit over the Rams leaving. They are suggesting they may eventually expand to 40 teams which seems nuts.

 

I can't even think of 8 possible cities..

 

1) St Louis

2) London

3) Mexico City

4) San Antonio

5) San Diego

6) ummm 2nd UK or EU team

7) 2nd Canadian team? Montreal? Vancouver?

8) Austin maybe? 2nd Chicago team?

[Rex Buckingham]

Can you imagine how bad the football would get? There aren't 32 capable QBs as it is, and as Bears fans we know that without a good QB, you might as well write off the season if you don't have an historically good defense.

[jersey cubs fan]

There also aren’t 32 quality head coaches, GMs, DCs, etc. the opponents would be easier to play and a guy like Mitch could become a solid average QB in such a league.

[Tim]

It's week 11 now so I'm creating a new thread.

 

Lot of smoke about NFL expansion being considered as a way to resolve the St. Louis lawsuit over the Rams leaving. They are suggesting they may eventually expand to 40 teams which seems nuts.

 

I can't even think of 8 possible cities..

 

1) St Louis

2) London

3) Mexico City

4) San Antonio

5) San Diego

6) ummm 2nd UK or EU team

7) 2nd Canadian team? Montreal? Vancouver?

8) Austin maybe? 2nd Chicago team?

Am I just totally forgetting a 1st Canadian team?

[sweetpeteman]

It's week 11 now so I'm creating a new thread.

 

Lot of smoke about NFL expansion being considered as a way to resolve the St. Louis lawsuit over the Rams leaving. They are suggesting they may eventually expand to 40 teams which seems nuts.

 

I can't even think of 8 possible cities..

 

1) St Louis

2) London

3) Mexico City

4) San Antonio

5) San Diego

6) ummm 2nd UK or EU team

7) 2nd Canadian team? Montreal? Vancouver?

8) Austin maybe? 2nd Chicago team?

Am I just totally forgetting a 1st Canadian team?

 

 

Where have you been? New York kicked Buffalo out. Not the team, the whole city. It's Canadian now.

 

 

(I'm guessing he considers Buffalo to be partially a Toronto team)

[Rex Buckingham]

There also aren’t 32 quality head coaches, GMs, DCs, etc. the opponents would be easier to play and a guy like Mitch could become a solid average QB in such a league.

 

Fair point

[UMFan83]

It's week 11 now so I'm creating a new thread.

 

Lot of smoke about NFL expansion being considered as a way to resolve the St. Louis lawsuit over the Rams leaving. They are suggesting they may eventually expand to 40 teams which seems nuts.

 

I can't even think of 8 possible cities..

 

1) St Louis

2) London

3) Mexico City

4) San Antonio

5) San Diego

6) ummm 2nd UK or EU team

7) 2nd Canadian team? Montreal? Vancouver?

8) Austin maybe? 2nd Chicago team?

Am I just totally forgetting a 1st Canadian team?

 

horsefeathers. In my head I had Toronto as a team but forgot to list them lol

 

I’ve always been meh about Toronto getting a team due to the proximity of Buffalo and the fact that they played games there in the past but when you have 8 teams to fill Toronto seems very logical. Also a friend who lives in Toronto told me he doesn’t even know of any Bills fans

[Tim]

Drive border patrol crazy and put one in El Paso. Or really piss them off and put it in Juarez.

Go back to San Diego.

Salt Lake City

Brooklyn / Long Island

2nd Chicago team

Edmonton / Calgary

Toronto

Montreal

St Louis

Portland

Monterrey

 

There are a whole bunch of options of varying viability. But with the way that the NFL both generates and shares revenues, it's a lot easier for those franchises to be viable.

[raw]

Drive border patrol crazy and put one in El Paso. Or really piss them off and put it in Juarez.

Go back to San Diego.

Salt Lake City

Brooklyn / Long Island

2nd Chicago team

Edmonton / Calgary

Toronto

Montreal

St Louis

Portland

Monterrey

 

There are a whole bunch of options of varying viability. But with the way that the NFL both generates and shares revenues, it's a lot easier for those franchises to be viable.

 

Putting an actual team in NYC makes a ton of sense. But I think if they did expand to 40 teams for some reason (hate this idea), then there would definitely be 2 European teams at the least. Maybe even have 4 of them to form a division and make the travel/bye week schedule easier. Thinking 2 in England (both in London or 1 in Wales). 1 in Germany. And I think Ireland would get the other as they hosted a college game a couple years ago.

 

NYC/Brooklyn

St Louis

London 1

London 2

Germany

Ireland

San Diego

Monterrey

[CubColtPacer]

Drive border patrol crazy and put one in El Paso. Or really piss them off and put it in Juarez.

Go back to San Diego.

Salt Lake City

Brooklyn / Long Island

2nd Chicago team

Edmonton / Calgary

Toronto

Montreal

St Louis

Portland

Monterrey

 

There are a whole bunch of options of varying viability. But with the way that the NFL both generates and shares revenues, it's a lot easier for those franchises to be viable.

 

Putting an actual team in NYC makes a ton of sense. But I think if they did expand to 40 teams for some reason (hate this idea), then there would definitely be 2 European teams at the least. Maybe even have 4 of them to form a division and make the travel/bye week schedule easier. Thinking 2 in England (both in London or 1 in Wales). 1 in Germany. And I think Ireland would get the other as they hosted a college game a couple years ago.

 

NYC/Brooklyn

St Louis

London 1

London 2

Germany

Ireland

San Diego

Monterrey

 

I think the reason the writer suggested 40 is because once you add the 33rd team, it's hard to balance the divisions and conferences correctly until you get to 40 (40 would be 8 divisions of 5 teams, the only other realistic stopping point is 36 and have 12 divisions of 3 teams each).

 

I would agree though that it makes huge logistical sense at that point to have an entire division of European teams. They aren't at such a disadvantage because they only have to play in the States around 5 games a year, and everyone else is only making the trip to Europe once (at most, you would have two of those teams on the schedule, and the NFL could make sure those games are on back to back weeks).

[UMFan83]

Drive border patrol crazy and put one in El Paso. Or really piss them off and put it in Juarez.

Go back to San Diego.

Salt Lake City

Brooklyn / Long Island

2nd Chicago team

Edmonton / Calgary

Toronto

Montreal

St Louis

Portland

Monterrey

 

There are a whole bunch of options of varying viability. But with the way that the NFL both generates and shares revenues, it's a lot easier for those franchises to be viable.

 

Putting an actual team in NYC makes a ton of sense. But I think if they did expand to 40 teams for some reason (hate this idea), then there would definitely be 2 European teams at the least. Maybe even have 4 of them to form a division and make the travel/bye week schedule easier. Thinking 2 in England (both in London or 1 in Wales). 1 in Germany. And I think Ireland would get the other as they hosted a college game a couple years ago.

 

NYC/Brooklyn

St Louis

London 1

London 2

Germany

Ireland

San Diego

Monterrey

 

Whats the appeal of Monterrey over Mexico City? I know they've held games there so they must like the market. Easier travel or more affluent metro?

[Derwood]

I'd hate to see the NFL put their proverbial eggs in the European basket. If that experiment fails, they'll be saddled with massive relocation headaches. Better to stay at 32, or if they insist on expanding, find North American cities (St. Louis, Portland, San Diego, Chicago v2, etc.)

[WrigleyField 22]

Drive border patrol crazy and put one in El Paso. Or really piss them off and put it in Juarez.

Go back to San Diego.

Salt Lake City

Brooklyn / Long Island

2nd Chicago team

Edmonton / Calgary

Toronto

Montreal

St Louis

Portland

Monterrey

 

There are a whole bunch of options of varying viability. But with the way that the NFL both generates and shares revenues, it's a lot easier for those franchises to be viable.

 

Putting an actual team in NYC makes a ton of sense. But I think if they did expand to 40 teams for some reason (hate this idea), then there would definitely be 2 European teams at the least. Maybe even have 4 of them to form a division and make the travel/bye week schedule easier. Thinking 2 in England (both in London or 1 in Wales). 1 in Germany. And I think Ireland would get the other as they hosted a college game a couple years ago.

 

NYC/Brooklyn

St Louis

London 1

London 2

Germany

Ireland

San Diego

Monterrey

My anecdotal evidence is that the Irish would definitely support a team. I think you're right, make it a 4 division Europe division is the only way it makes sense. Maybe realign NFC/AFC even to make one of the conferences more East coast exclusive, which would include the Euro division.

[raw]

I'd hate to see the NFL put their proverbial eggs in the European basket. If that experiment fails, they'll be saddled with massive relocation headaches. Better to stay at 32, or if they insist on expanding, find North American cities (St. Louis, Portland, San Diego, Chicago v2, etc.)

 

By the same token, if the NFL is going to truly expand, they almost have to expand internationally. With 36-40 teams, you run the risk of oversaturing the US market. Like i don't think a 2nd Chicago team would work as well as most think. I don't love Portland, St Louis or San Diego as destinations really either. I know there's been KC and STL teams together in the past and SD and 2 LA teams at the same time, but part of the appeal of the NFL is so few games and so few cities to catch a game.

[minnesotacubsfan]

It's week 11 now so I'm creating a new thread.

 

Lot of smoke about NFL expansion being considered as a way to resolve the St. Louis lawsuit over the Rams leaving. They are suggesting they may eventually expand to 40 teams which seems nuts.

 

I can't even think of 8 possible cities..

 

1) St Louis

2) London

3) Mexico City

4) San Antonio

5) San Diego

6) ummm 2nd UK or EU team

7) 2nd Canadian team? Montreal? Vancouver?

8) Austin maybe? 2nd Chicago team?

 

Omaha

Salt Lake City

Portland Or

Sacramento

San Antonio

 

 

there are options

[pitchcs]

40 teams...lmao

 

There are like 6 watchable teams in the league as it is now

[WrigleyField 22]

Save traditionalist rants for later (tried to make everyone give up something)

 

Raiders, Chiefs, Broncos, Chargers to NFC.

Euro team goes to AFC.

 

New North American cities are NFC: STL, San Antonio, San Diego? Portland? All central/west.

 

Then Texans are only AFC team not in East coast I think. Swap them over to NFC for someone.

 

Ends up like (new teams+, swapped conf*)

 

AFC

D1, London+, London+, Dublin+, Germany+

D2, New England, New York, New York*, Philly*

D3, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Indy, Miami

D4, Buffalo, Detroit*, Cleveland, Cincy

D5, Carolina*, Jax, Atlanta*, Tampa*

 

NFC

D1, Seattle, Arizona, Portland+, Vegas*

D2, LA, LA*, San Fran, San Diego+

D3, San Antonio+, Denver*, Houston*, KC*

D4, Chicago, Green Bay, Minny, St Louis+

D5, Dallas, Tennessee*, New Orleans, Washington

 

(AFC D3 and NFC D5 I don't love, but I got all the AFC teams as East Coast/Euro). And just two East Coast teams in the NFC. Also split up the new NA teams in separate divisions for competetive reasons (Euro division is what it is)

 

Edit. Maybe swap Washington and Miami, but I was trying to leave a token rivalry for Dallas too, which obviously leaves no good fit for a location based realignment.

 

Edit2. Or let Dallas keep their rivalries intact but they get to be the one non Eastern Time Zone team that has to travel to Europe every year, and basically keep the NFC East intact but in the AFC (might need to rename the "A" there), then move a few things around elsewhere.

Edited November 19, 2021 by WrigleyField 22

[Ding Dong Johnson]

horsefeathers Europe, let them have their own horsefeathers league.

[WrigleyField 22]

horsefeathers Europe, let them have their own horsefeathers league.

40 teams, but the 8 new teams have to play in the second tier. Last place from each upper division gets relegated each year.

 

Just soccer up our football so badly until we come full circle and they're the same sport again.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'd hate to see the NFL put their proverbial eggs in the European basket. If that experiment fails, they'll be saddled with massive relocation headaches. Better to stay at 32, or if they insist on expanding, find North American cities (St. Louis, Portland, San Diego, Chicago v2, etc.)

 

By the same token, if the NFL is going to truly expand, they almost have to expand internationally. With 36-40 teams, you run the risk of oversaturing the US market. Like i don't think a 2nd Chicago team would work as well as most think. I don't love Portland, St Louis or San Diego as destinations really either. I know there's been KC and STL teams together in the past and SD and 2 LA teams at the same time, but part of the appeal of the NFL is so few games and so few cities to catch a game.

I'm confused why you think adding a 3rd NY team makes sense while a 2nd Chicago team wouldn't work.

 

That being said, I think it's much smarter to go with 4 Euro teams at the same time than adding another team in the big US cities or giving those smaller towns a 2nd/3rd/4th chance at hosting.

[jersey cubs fan]

I can't even think of 8 possible cities..

 

Omaha

 

there are options

 

He said cities, sir.

[sneakypower]

Belichick evil laughter

 

(yardage ranking here is pretty misleading ofc)

[Derwood]

Last night’s game was the first time that one team had three different QB’s throw an interception since the Chargers in 2000

 

Those three QB’s?

 

 

Moses Moreno, Ryan Leaf and Jim Harbaugh

 

[WrigleyField 22]

Last night’s game was the first time that one team had three different QB’s throw an interception since the Chargers in 2000

 

Those three QB’s?

 

 

Moses Moreno, Ryan Leaf and Jim Harbaugh

Of course it involved two former Bears QBs if it wasn't gonna be the Bears directly. I also had no idea Harbaugh played until 2000.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I can't even think of 8 possible cities..

 

Omaha

 

there are options

 

He said cities, sir.

It's larger then people probably realize, and Nebraska is a strong football state. OK City would also be of that mold