Week 6: Bears vs. Packers

[raw]

I know we got the benefit of some bad calls and I hate being the guy that blames officials but we got royally horsefeathers on some very big plays yesterday. It infuriates me to no end that it always seems to happen against the GD Packers especially on our own damn field. That should not happen. And horsefeathers that POS Rodgers with his "I own you" horsefeathers at the end. If I ever run across him or Steve Garvey I'm going to sucker punch them as hard as I horsefeathering can without warning. I'll take a trip to jail for that satisfaction.

 

Yeah.....I'm not going to jail over a damn sports game. But to each his own. And he does own the Bears.

 

As for the bad calls, yeah there were a bunch of them.....

- Taunting call against Edwards, weak call but Edwards has a history (3 this season in 4 games) and it was the 1st play, gave them extra yards not necessarily drive changing probably would have scored anyway (of course would have if they called Rodgers for grabbing his facemask first, but that's literally never called on a QB)

- backward run by Packers that somehow got a 1st down (of course it was 2nd and 1, they would have picked it up eventually)

- holding call on Mustipher that wasn't a hold (Bears still scored a TD on that drive)

- Packers got called for OPI in the endzone, which was very weak and they actually lost 4 points from that call.

 

The only 1 really mattered was the neutral zone infraction. Fields rightfully thought he had a free play and threw up some crap. Of course, if Allen Robinson doesn't give up on his big armed, 4.4 running QB as he's escaping the pocket, he might have been able to make a play or get a DPI (his effort has been ass, I hope they look to trade him before the deadline).

[Sammy Sofa]

And horsefeathers that POS Rodgers with his "I own you" horsefeathers at the end.

 

Rodgers:

 

[UMFan83]

Eddie Jackson PFF grade:

 

2018 - 93.2

2019 - 67.0

2020 - 59.8

2021 - 53.4 (not sure if it includes yesterday)

 

Dead cap of 18.56m before 2022, 9.57m before 2023, 5.58m before 2024

[gflore34]

I know we got the benefit of some bad calls and I hate being the guy that blames officials but we got royally horsefeathers on some very big plays yesterday. It infuriates me to no end that it always seems to happen against the GD Packers especially on our own damn field. That should not happen. And horsefeathers that POS Rodgers with his "I own you" horsefeathers at the end. If I ever run across him or Steve Garvey I'm going to sucker punch them as hard as I horsefeathering can without warning. I'll take a trip to jail for that satisfaction.

 

That's OK, him and the Packers will get their asses kicked in the playoffs and they'll end winning just as many SB's the season as the Bears will - 0. In facing playoff teams they don't have the luxury of opposition coaching ineptness and cowardice the Bears provide, bites them in the ass every time and will again this season.

[gflore34]

I know we got the benefit of some bad calls and I hate being the guy that blames officials but we got royally horsefeathers on some very big plays yesterday. It infuriates me to no end that it always seems to happen against the GD Packers especially on our own damn field. That should not happen. And horsefeathers that POS Rodgers with his "I own you" horsefeathers at the end. If I ever run across him or Steve Garvey I'm going to sucker punch them as hard as I horsefeathering can without warning. I'll take a trip to jail for that satisfaction.

 

Yeah.....I'm not going to jail over a damn sports game. But to each his own. And he does own the Bears.

 

As for the bad calls, yeah there were a bunch of them.....

- Taunting call against Edwards, weak call but Edwards has a history (3 this season in 4 games) and it was the 1st play, gave them extra yards not necessarily drive changing probably would have scored anyway (of course would have if they called Rodgers for grabbing his facemask first, but that's literally never called on a QB)

- backward run by Packers that somehow got a 1st down (of course it was 2nd and 1, they would have picked it up eventually)

- holding call on Mustipher that wasn't a hold (Bears still scored a TD on that drive)

- Packers got called for OPI in the endzone, which was very weak and they actually lost 4 points from that call.

 

The only 1 really mattered was the neutral zone infraction. Fields rightfully thought he had a free play and threw up some crap. Of course, if Allen Robinson doesn't give up on his big armed, 4.4 running QB as he's escaping the pocket, he might have been able to make a play or get a DPI (his effort has been ass, I hope they look to trade him before the deadline).

 

I'm with you on Robinson, throw in Jackson as well, anywhere but the Packers. Because, with a probability of one, they'll magically turn into professional football players once those shitheads acquire them.

[WrigleyField 22]

Eddie Jackson PFF grade:

 

2018 - 93.2

2019 - 67.0

2020 - 59.8

2021 - 53.4 (not sure if it includes yesterday)

 

Dead cap of 18.56m before 2022, 9.57m before 2023, 5.58m before 2024

Yep he's replacement level player. Might as well move on.

 

[BigSlick]

Under Nagy the Bears have had 16 games started by QBs other than Trubisky. They are 0-9 in those games when the other team scores TWENTY (20) points.

 

For perspective, teams are 93-364 since the start of the 2019 season when scoring fewer than 20 points. A 0.204 win percentage. The Bears have scored less than 20 points on 22 different times (in 38 games!) and are actually 8-14 in those games for a 0.364 win percentage. Expected W/L in these games would be 4-18.

 

Since the same point, teams are 465-180 (0.721) when they allow 24 or fewer points. The Bears are just 16-12 (.571) when this happens. And 28 of 38 games have had points allowed within this threshold! Expected W/L in these games would be 20-8.

 

So, the Bears have what amounts to an 11-12 win defense (70% of the time), while fielding a 3-4 win offense (60% of the time) over the last 2 1/3 seasons. The results? A perfect split of the difference at 19-19.

 

Great post. The bottom line has always been simple and still the Bears just can’t get their arms around it:

 

The offense isn’t good enough. Except for 2018 - they need to score more points. That’s it. It’s not complicated. It’s the NFL in 2021, you can’t expect to be a winning football team if you aren’t putting up 20+ consistently (and occasionally 30 or 40).

 

There will never be an 85 Bears D or a Ravens 2001 D or even a 2006 Bears D type super bowl again. Gotta roll with the times.

[raw]

I know we got the benefit of some bad calls and I hate being the guy that blames officials but we got royally horsefeathers on some very big plays yesterday. It infuriates me to no end that it always seems to happen against the GD Packers especially on our own damn field. That should not happen. And horsefeathers that POS Rodgers with his "I own you" horsefeathers at the end. If I ever run across him or Steve Garvey I'm going to sucker punch them as hard as I horsefeathering can without warning. I'll take a trip to jail for that satisfaction.

 

That's OK, him and the Packers will get their asses kicked in the playoffs and they'll end winning just as many SB's the season as the Bears will - 0. In facing playoff teams they don't have the luxury of opposition coaching ineptness and cowardice the Bears provide, bites them in the ass every time and will again this season.

 

I also don't know why this is a thing Bears fans bring up. I mean, they've won 2 rings since the Bears have won their last. And making fun of a team for winning the division every year and losing in the NFC championship game, while your team has won 2 playoff games in 25 years is like making fun of the handsome multi-millionaire who bangs chicks every night at his bachelor pad because he doesn't have true love when you and your wife have been married for 30 years and sleep in separate bedrooms.

[raw]

Under Nagy the Bears have had 16 games started by QBs other than Trubisky. They are 0-9 in those games when the other team scores TWENTY (20) points.

 

For perspective, teams are 93-364 since the start of the 2019 season when scoring fewer than 20 points. A 0.204 win percentage. The Bears have scored less than 20 points on 22 different times (in 38 games!) and are actually 8-14 in those games for a 0.364 win percentage. Expected W/L in these games would be 4-18.

 

Since the same point, teams are 465-180 (0.721) when they allow 24 or fewer points. The Bears are just 16-12 (.571) when this happens. And 28 of 38 games have had points allowed within this threshold! Expected W/L in these games would be 20-8.

 

So, the Bears have what amounts to an 11-12 win defense (70% of the time), while fielding a 3-4 win offense (60% of the time) over the last 2 1/3 seasons. The results? A perfect split of the difference at 19-19.

 

Great post. The bottom line has always been simple and still the Bears just can’t get their arms around it:

 

The offense isn’t good enough. Except for 2018 - they need to score more points. That’s it. It’s not complicated. It’s the NFL in 2021, you can’t expect to be a winning football team if you aren’t putting up 20+ consistently (and occasionally 30 or 40).

 

There will never be an 85 Bears D or a Ravens 2001 D or even a 2006 Bears D type super bowl again. Gotta roll with the times.

 

Can't take credit for the post. Got it off of a stats guy on Twitter.

[gflore34]

Under Nagy the Bears have had 16 games started by QBs other than Trubisky. They are 0-9 in those games when the other team scores TWENTY (20) points.

 

For perspective, teams are 93-364 since the start of the 2019 season when scoring fewer than 20 points. A 0.204 win percentage. The Bears have scored less than 20 points on 22 different times (in 38 games!) and are actually 8-14 in those games for a 0.364 win percentage. Expected W/L in these games would be 4-18.

 

Since the same point, teams are 465-180 (0.721) when they allow 24 or fewer points. The Bears are just 16-12 (.571) when this happens. And 28 of 38 games have had points allowed within this threshold! Expected W/L in these games would be 20-8.

 

So, the Bears have what amounts to an 11-12 win defense (70% of the time), while fielding a 3-4 win offense (60% of the time) over the last 2 1/3 seasons. The results? A perfect split of the difference at 19-19.

 

Great post. The bottom line has always been simple and still the Bears just can’t get their arms around it:

 

The offense isn’t good enough. Except for 2018 - they need to score more points. That’s it. It’s not complicated. It’s the NFL in 2021, you can’t expect to be a winning football team if you aren’t putting up 20+ consistently (and occasionally 30 or 40).

 

There will never be an 85 Bears D or a Ravens 2001 D or even a 2006 Bears D type super bowl again. Gotta roll with the times.

 

Along those lines the best outcome for this season - Fields continues to play and gets valuable experience while the Bears lose enough games to get Nagy and Pace replaced. Because Nagy doesn't get it, there's got to be someone out there who does and would take off with Fields as his QB thereby making the NFC Central theirs. I know its currently pretty grim but, the day is near when the Bears are going to have the best QB in the division and Packers, Lions and Vikings will be in QB waste land and its going to be oh so great. Jones, that no name Packer TE, and any other Packers who look like Pro-Bowlers may not look so with Jordan Love as their QB.

[UMFan83]

I know we got the benefit of some bad calls and I hate being the guy that blames officials but we got royally horsefeathers on some very big plays yesterday. It infuriates me to no end that it always seems to happen against the GD Packers especially on our own damn field. That should not happen. And horsefeathers that POS Rodgers with his "I own you" horsefeathers at the end. If I ever run across him or Steve Garvey I'm going to sucker punch them as hard as I horsefeathering can without warning. I'll take a trip to jail for that satisfaction.

 

That's OK, him and the Packers will get their asses kicked in the playoffs and they'll end winning just as many SB's the season as the Bears will - 0. In facing playoff teams they don't have the luxury of opposition coaching ineptness and cowardice the Bears provide, bites them in the ass every time and will again this season.

 

I also don't know why this is a thing Bears fans bring up. I mean, they've won 2 rings since the Bears have won their last. And making fun of a team for winning the division every year and losing in the NFC championship game, while your team has won 2 playoff games in 25 years is like making fun of the handsome multi-millionaire who bangs chicks every night at his bachelor pad because he doesn't have true love when you and your wife have been married for 30 years and sleep in separate bedrooms.

 

Hey now, they've won 3 playoff games in the last 25 years

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm still waiting for all these personnel moves by Nagy and Pace that will undoubtedly improve the offense, to actually you know, improve the offense

[UMFan83]

I'm still waiting for all these personnel moves by Nagy and Pace that will undoubtedly improve the offense, to actually you know, improve the offense

 

 

Psh, don't you know, Nagy's offense takes 3 4 years to get going and things will start to improve in year 4 5

[Thed Hoyerstein]

I'm still waiting for all these personnel moves by Nagy and Pace that will undoubtedly improve the offense, to actually you know, improve the offense

 

 

Psh, don't you know, Nagy's offense takes 3 4 years to get going and things will start to improve in year 4 5

 

that's right, I forgot that the offense is in Nagy's 404 advanced offense for dummies class.

[Soul]

 

For perspective, teams are 93-364 since the start of the 2019 season when scoring fewer than 20 points. A 0.204 win percentage. The Bears have scored less than 20 points on 22 different times (in 38 games!) and are actually 8-14 in those games for a 0.364 win percentage. Expected W/L in these games would be 4-18.

 

Since the same point, teams are 465-180 (0.721) when they allow 24 or fewer points. The Bears are just 16-12 (.571) when this happens. And 28 of 38 games have had points allowed within this threshold! Expected W/L in these games would be 20-8.

 

So, the Bears have what amounts to an 11-12 win defense (70% of the time), while fielding a 3-4 win offense (60% of the time) over the last 2 1/3 seasons. The results? A perfect split of the difference at 19-19.

 

Great post. The bottom line has always been simple and still the Bears just can’t get their arms around it:

 

The offense isn’t good enough. Except for 2018 - they need to score more points. That’s it. It’s not complicated. It’s the NFL in 2021, you can’t expect to be a winning football team if you aren’t putting up 20+ consistently (and occasionally 30 or 40).

 

There will never be an 85 Bears D or a Ravens 2001 D or even a 2006 Bears D type super bowl again. Gotta roll with the times.

 

Along those lines the best outcome for this season - Fields continues to play and gets valuable experience while the Bears lose enough games to get Nagy and Pace replaced. Because Nagy doesn't get it, there's got to be someone out there who does and would take off with Fields as his QB thereby making the NFC Central theirs. I know its currently pretty grim but, the day is near when the Bears are going to have the best QB in the division and Packers, Lions and Vikings will be in QB waste land and its going to be oh so great. Jones, that no name Packer TE, and any other Packers who look like Pro-Bowlers may not look so with Jordan Love as their QB.-

 

I still remember, a long long time ago, watching a Cubs / Brewers game and some typical idiot Bear fan gets in a shouting match with a Brewer fan. At the time Rodgers had just been drafted and this guy goes "Rodgers? That's your QB now! Hahah!"

 

...I'll wait for the Jordan Love era to begin before I make any judgements about him.

 

But I agree, one of the most maddening things about the Packers is how many mediocre players they make look really good. It's a tribute to them, but I'll admit to jealousy over that. And I do hope it comes to an end when Rodgers is gone. When Rodgers hasn't been able to play, the true mediocrity of the Packers has been revealed. So we'll see.

[gflore34]

 

Great post. The bottom line has always been simple and still the Bears just can’t get their arms around it:

 

The offense isn’t good enough. Except for 2018 - they need to score more points. That’s it. It’s not complicated. It’s the NFL in 2021, you can’t expect to be a winning football team if you aren’t putting up 20+ consistently (and occasionally 30 or 40).

 

There will never be an 85 Bears D or a Ravens 2001 D or even a 2006 Bears D type super bowl again. Gotta roll with the times.

 

Along those lines the best outcome for this season - Fields continues to play and gets valuable experience while the Bears lose enough games to get Nagy and Pace replaced. Because Nagy doesn't get it, there's got to be someone out there who does and would take off with Fields as his QB thereby making the NFC Central theirs. I know its currently pretty grim but, the day is near when the Bears are going to have the best QB in the division and Packers, Lions and Vikings will be in QB waste land and its going to be oh so great. Jones, that no name Packer TE, and any other Packers who look like Pro-Bowlers may not look so with Jordan Love as their QB.-

 

I still remember, a long long time ago, watching a Cubs / Brewers game and some typical idiot Bear fan gets in a shouting match with a Brewer fan. At the time Rodgers had just been drafted and this guy goes "Rodgers? That's your QB now! Hahah!"

 

...I'll wait for the Jordan Love era to begin before I make any judgements about him.

 

But I agree, one of the most maddening things about the Packers is how many mediocre players they make look really good. It's a tribute to them, but I'll admit to jealousy over that. And I do hope it comes to an end when Rodgers is gone. When Rodgers hasn't been able to play, the true mediocrity of the Packers has been revealed. So we'll see.

 

I'm not saying it couldn't happen and it would just the Bears luck if it did but, back to back to back franchise/HOF QB's? How horsefeathering lucky can you get?

[UMFan83]

 

Great post. The bottom line has always been simple and still the Bears just can’t get their arms around it:

 

The offense isn’t good enough. Except for 2018 - they need to score more points. That’s it. It’s not complicated. It’s the NFL in 2021, you can’t expect to be a winning football team if you aren’t putting up 20+ consistently (and occasionally 30 or 40).

 

There will never be an 85 Bears D or a Ravens 2001 D or even a 2006 Bears D type super bowl again. Gotta roll with the times.

 

Along those lines the best outcome for this season - Fields continues to play and gets valuable experience while the Bears lose enough games to get Nagy and Pace replaced. Because Nagy doesn't get it, there's got to be someone out there who does and would take off with Fields as his QB thereby making the NFC Central theirs. I know its currently pretty grim but, the day is near when the Bears are going to have the best QB in the division and Packers, Lions and Vikings will be in QB waste land and its going to be oh so great. Jones, that no name Packer TE, and any other Packers who look like Pro-Bowlers may not look so with Jordan Love as their QB.-

 

I still remember, a long long time ago, watching a Cubs / Brewers game and some typical idiot Bear fan gets in a shouting match with a Brewer fan. At the time Rodgers had just been drafted and this guy goes "Rodgers? That's your QB now! Hahah!"

 

...I'll wait for the Jordan Love era to begin before I make any judgements about him.

 

But I agree, one of the most maddening things about the Packers is how many mediocre players they make look really good. It's a tribute to them, but I'll admit to jealousy over that. And I do hope it comes to an end when Rodgers is gone. When Rodgers hasn't been able to play, the true mediocrity of the Packers has been revealed. So we'll see.

 

I remember waiting years and years for Favre to finally show his age and breakdown, relishing the fact that there is no way they struck gold on a QB twice, especially someone who slipped in the draft and was sitting on the bench for the past 2 seasons. While it can be notoriously difficult to draft and develop a legit franchise QB, it is becoming more and more clear to me just how much organizations can up the odds. Favre to Rodgers, Brady to Mac Jones (I know, still pretty early but dude is head and shoulders above the other 2021 rookie QBs so far), Peyton to Luck, Reid-era Smith to Mahomes, heck even Romo to Dak. That's why I'm not convinced Love will be a bust and its why I'm concerned about Nagy developing a talent like Fields. If Fields hasn't made significant strides by the end of the season, I really really hope they fire Nagy regardless of record. If you blow this with Fields it will be a long time before I can get excited about anything related to the Bears.

[Soul]

 

Along those lines the best outcome for this season - Fields continues to play and gets valuable experience while the Bears lose enough games to get Nagy and Pace replaced. Because Nagy doesn't get it, there's got to be someone out there who does and would take off with Fields as his QB thereby making the NFC Central theirs. I know its currently pretty grim but, the day is near when the Bears are going to have the best QB in the division and Packers, Lions and Vikings will be in QB waste land and its going to be oh so great. Jones, that no name Packer TE, and any other Packers who look like Pro-Bowlers may not look so with Jordan Love as their QB.-

 

I still remember, a long long time ago, watching a Cubs / Brewers game and some typical idiot Bear fan gets in a shouting match with a Brewer fan. At the time Rodgers had just been drafted and this guy goes "Rodgers? That's your QB now! Hahah!"

 

...I'll wait for the Jordan Love era to begin before I make any judgements about him.

 

But I agree, one of the most maddening things about the Packers is how many mediocre players they make look really good. It's a tribute to them, but I'll admit to jealousy over that. And I do hope it comes to an end when Rodgers is gone. When Rodgers hasn't been able to play, the true mediocrity of the Packers has been revealed. So we'll see.

 

I'm not saying it couldn't happen and it would just the Bears luck if it did but, back to back to back franchise/HOF QB's? How horsefeathering lucky can you get?

 

Hopefully they go the way of the 49ers, who started missing on QB (generally) after Steve Young.

[gflore34]

 

Along those lines the best outcome for this season - Fields continues to play and gets valuable experience while the Bears lose enough games to get Nagy and Pace replaced. Because Nagy doesn't get it, there's got to be someone out there who does and would take off with Fields as his QB thereby making the NFC Central theirs. I know its currently pretty grim but, the day is near when the Bears are going to have the best QB in the division and Packers, Lions and Vikings will be in QB waste land and its going to be oh so great. Jones, that no name Packer TE, and any other Packers who look like Pro-Bowlers may not look so with Jordan Love as their QB.-

 

I still remember, a long long time ago, watching a Cubs / Brewers game and some typical idiot Bear fan gets in a shouting match with a Brewer fan. At the time Rodgers had just been drafted and this guy goes "Rodgers? That's your QB now! Hahah!"

 

...I'll wait for the Jordan Love era to begin before I make any judgements about him.

 

But I agree, one of the most maddening things about the Packers is how many mediocre players they make look really good. It's a tribute to them, but I'll admit to jealousy over that. And I do hope it comes to an end when Rodgers is gone. When Rodgers hasn't been able to play, the true mediocrity of the Packers has been revealed. So we'll see.

 

I remember waiting years and years for Favre to finally show his age and breakdown, relishing the fact that there is no way they struck gold on a QB twice, especially someone who slipped in the draft and was sitting on the bench for the past 2 seasons. While it can be notoriously difficult to draft and develop a legit franchise QB, it is becoming more and more clear to me just how much organizations can up the odds. Favre to Rodgers, Brady to Mac Jones (I know, still pretty early but dude is head and shoulders above the other 2021 rookie QBs so far), Peyton to Luck, Reid-era Smith to Mahomes, heck even Romo to Dak. That's why I'm not convinced Love will be a bust and its why I'm concerned about Nagy developing a talent like Fields. If Fields hasn't made significant strides by the end of the season, I really really hope they fire Nagy regardless of record. If you blow this with Fields it will be a long time before I can get excited about anything related to the Bears.

 

I think this loss and the next one coming up in GB has sealed Nagy' fate, he's done after this season. Remaining question is whether Pace follows him - I think he should.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

...I'll wait for the Jordan Love era to begin before I make any judgements about him.

Jordan Love isn't any good. If his pre-season preformances aren't enough for you, the tell is how the Packers acted once Rodgers made it clear he was upset and wanted out. The Packers would have sent him to Denver or wherever if Love was even an average NFL QB right now. I mean, when the same thing happened with Favre/Rodgers, Favre was in NYC with no fanfare for a third round pick. Maybe Love still developes and he's completely servicable, but the third coming of Favre he is not.

[BigSlick]

I don't think Nagy's fate is sealed, nor do I think it should be. The most important thing is seeing improvement from Fields and feeling secure he's on the right path by the end of the season. Everything else is icing on the cake.

 

If Fields looks pretty damn competent and confident by the end of the season I think Nagy keeps his job (and justifiably so!)

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Eddie Jackson PFF grade:

 

2018 - 93.2

2019 - 67.0

2020 - 59.8

2021 - 53.4 (not sure if it includes yesterday)

 

Dead cap of 18.56m before 2022, 9.57m before 2023, 5.58m before 2024

 

I hate contract extensions so much. They fail way more often than they succeed.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't think Nagy's fate is sealed, nor do I think it should be. The most important thing is seeing improvement from Fields and feeling secure he's on the right path by the end of the season. Everything else is icing on the cake.

 

If Fields looks pretty damn competent and confident by the end of the season I think Nagy keeps his job (and justifiably so!)

Fields has to be good on a really strong scale IMO. It's not enough to develop Fields, there has to be strong offense output.

 

But there's also a somewhat related point. This offense might just not be good enough of a supporting cast for Fields to put up strong numbers. While that isn't an indictment of Nagy, it is of Pace. And Pace should be on shaky footing IMO too. And Nagy certainly can't survive Pace getting the axe.

 

And if Pace and Nagy never got secret extensions, Pace's contract is done this year and Nagy is entering a lame duck final year. So it's likely a choice between cutting ties or re-upping to the tune of 3-4 years.

[Soul]

Now that I look at it again, the upcoming schedule doesn’t look quite so scary. Both the Steelers and the 49ers look much more beatable than I would’ve said at the beginning of the year.

 

Who knows? Things looked hopeless after the Cleveland game, then we beat LV and it was a little better. We didn’t get blown out yesterday…

[Derwood]

And horsefeathers that POS Rodgers with his "I own you" horsefeathers at the end.

 

Rodgers:

 

 

Rodgers DOES own us. As do the Packers.

 

Since 1992:

 

Rodgers: 22-5

Favre: 22-10

Some other dude: 1-0

 

Packers are 45-15 against the Bears over the last 60 games, and have only played 3 QB's. By contrast, the Bears have played 35 QB's in those games