Rizzo traded to the Yankees

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OK, that made me tear up a little.

[Sammy Sofa]

[Sammy Sofa]

4 hours after Rizzo has been traded to the Yanks and this thread is just barely over 3 pages.

 

Tim, I'm sorry for your loss.

[Tim]

4 hours after Rizzo has been traded to the Yanks and this thread is just barely over 3 pages.

 

Tim, I'm sorry for your loss.

Site crashed for the first 30-45 minutes when there would have been most of the comments.

 

But yeah.

[Tryptamine]

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4 hours after Rizzo has been traded to the Yanks and this thread is just barely over 3 pages.

 

Tim, I'm sorry for your loss.

 

It's not just here. Basically every baseball message board I visit has slowed down drastically from where it was before the pandemic.

[Proven Veteran]

4 hours after Rizzo has been traded to the Yanks and this thread is just barely over 3 pages.

 

Tim, I'm sorry for your loss.

Site crashed for the first 30-45 minutes when there would have been most of the comments.

 

But yeah.

Was it due to traffic?

[Cubswin11]

Solid return for a rental and what Rizzo has been strictly on the field, but horsefeathers this organization. Rizzo should’ve been a Cub for life, he wasn’t going to cost a ton to keep and meant a ton to the org.

[Tim]

4 hours after Rizzo has been traded to the Yanks and this thread is just barely over 3 pages.

 

Tim, I'm sorry for your loss.

Site crashed for the first 30-45 minutes when there would have been most of the comments.

 

But yeah.

Was it due to traffic?

Emotional shock.

[NOLA]

4 hours after Rizzo has been traded to the Yanks and this thread is just barely over 3 pages.

 

Tim, I'm sorry for your loss.

Site crashed for the first 30-45 minutes when there would have been most of the comments.

 

But yeah.

I tried for like an hour to get on here but no luck.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Solid return for a rental and what Rizzo has been strictly on the field, but horsefeathers this organization. Rizzo should’ve been a Cub for life, he wasn’t going to cost a ton to keep and meant a ton to the org.

It's possible thanks to Bryant being able to play everywhere, Hoyer rebuilds the minors at 1 deadline into something magnificent again. But it just points out they haven't been able to either draft or develop for some time.

[UMFan83]

 

I’d love to know what he means by emotional

[toonsterwu]

Solid return for a rental and what Rizzo has been strictly on the field, but horsefeathers this organization. Rizzo should’ve been a Cub for life, he wasn’t going to cost a ton to keep and meant a ton to the org.

 

I'll be curious what the offers were. It sounds like Rizzo wasn't willing to take another discount. While I get it for the players perspective, from the Cubs perspective, he was declining and more nostalgia than a key piece of the next core.

[TarzanJoeWallis]

Solid return for a rental and what Rizzo has been strictly on the field, but horsefeathers this organization. Rizzo should’ve been a Cub for life, he wasn’t going to cost a ton to keep and meant a ton to the org.

 

I'll be curious what the offers were. It sounds like Rizzo wasn't willing to take another discount. While I get it for the players perspective, from the Cubs perspective, he was declining and more nostalgia than a key piece of the next core.

You know it is very possible that what Rizzo considered a discount is actually his market value. Let’s see what kind of contract he signs this offseason.

[toonsterwu]

It's possible. I wouldn't rule it out. I'm just saying that, from the Cubs perspective, they didn't think it was enough, so moving him makes sense from the organization's perspective.

[d_money]

Tiny face!

[mias_tisg]

Couldn't ask for a better return for Rizzo. The #2 prospect in the organization and 19 years old for a rental in a lost season.

[Thusly Boned]

Solid return for a rental and what Rizzo has been strictly on the field, but horsefeathers this organization. Rizzo should’ve been a Cub for life, he wasn’t going to cost a ton to keep and meant a ton to the org.

 

I'll be curious what the offers were. It sounds like Rizzo wasn't willing to take another discount. While I get it for the players perspective, from the Cubs perspective, he was declining and more nostalgia than a key piece of the next core.

You know it is very possible that what Rizzo considered a discount is actually his market value. Let’s see what kind of contract he signs this offseason.

 

I think players are going to have to grapple with the new "not getting paid for past production" reality. The moral here is don't give a discount when signing a contract in your 20s. Cubs could have done right by him and given him a raise via a rework/extension a few years ago, but you can't trust any ownership to do the right thing. Giving him a payday now would just be stupid.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I’ve been driving all day with a stiff back so this may not be coherent, but I think I land at “not happy about the circumstances, but given the circumstances I’m pleased with the result.”

 

The org shouldn’t have been in the position where selling was the way to go, and that means Rizzo’s departure is not the spectacle that it should’ve been. However, given those circumstances, trading Rizzo is absolutely the right choice. He turns 32 in a couple days, has a recurring back injury, he has a 110 wRC+ since the start of 2020, and as previously discussed as a 1B only guy he has very little history on his side that he will continue to be a productive player. So even before getting to any finances, trading Rizzo makes sense. Then if you layer on the financial side, the only deal where keeping Rizzo makes sense over alternatives with more upside/more certainty/more team control/lower cost is a deal that Rizzo is unlikely to sign. If that deal turns out to be possible(it still could!) then I’m not opposed, but the middle of the road outcome is that Rizzo is not an every day 1B a playoff team wants to start again.

 

As for the return, I think it’s really solid value. In a perfect world you’d get more MLB readiness, but for the players with limited markets I like maxing out the talent.

[Derwood]

 

I'll be curious what the offers were. It sounds like Rizzo wasn't willing to take another discount. While I get it for the players perspective, from the Cubs perspective, he was declining and more nostalgia than a key piece of the next core.

You know it is very possible that what Rizzo considered a discount is actually his market value. Let’s see what kind of contract he signs this offseason.

 

I think players are going to have to grapple with the new "not getting paid for past production" reality. The moral here is don't give a discount when signing a contract in your 20s. Cubs could have done right by him and given him a raise via a rework/extension a few years ago, but you can't trust any ownership to do the right thing. Giving him a payday now would just be stupid.

 

Rizzo, Bryant and Baez all missed on this new trend of buying out arb years for big early-career paydays

[Cubswin11]

You know it is very possible that what Rizzo considered a discount is actually his market value. Let’s see what kind of contract he signs this offseason.

 

I think players are going to have to grapple with the new "not getting paid for past production" reality. The moral here is don't give a discount when signing a contract in your 20s. Cubs could have done right by him and given him a raise via a rework/extension a few years ago, but you can't trust any ownership to do the right thing. Giving him a payday now would just be stupid.

 

Rizzo, Bryant and Baez all missed on this new trend of buying out arb years for big early-career paydays

Rizzo did, he didn’t get the mega deal because he was a 1B and had a slow start to his career and had cancer. But he extended for like $70+ mil when he wasn’t really established. He was never getting the Tatis type mega deal. He obviously left money on the table with where his career has gone but think it was a good deal for both parties and it paid off, he has more than enough money for lifetimes and the Cubs got a discount for committing to an unproven guy.

[David]

 

I think players are going to have to grapple with the new "not getting paid for past production" reality. The moral here is don't give a discount when signing a contract in your 20s. Cubs could have done right by him and given him a raise via a rework/extension a few years ago, but you can't trust any ownership to do the right thing. Giving him a payday now would just be stupid.

 

Rizzo, Bryant and Baez all missed on this new trend of buying out arb years for big early-career paydays

Rizzo did, he didn’t get the mega deal because he was a 1B and had a slow start to his career and had cancer. But he extended for like $70+ mil when he wasn’t really established. He was never getting the Tatis type mega deal. He obviously left money on the table with where his career has gone but think it was a good deal for both parties and it paid off, he has more than enough money for lifetimes and the Cubs got a discount for committing to an unproven guy.

 

Yeah, Rizzo did. Baez didn't really establish himself as someone you knew you'd want to lock up long term until it was kinda too late (in that he went from guy you weren't sure you'd want to extend to superstar when he already had 4ish years under his belt). And Bryant was never going to do that.

[CubinNY]

After reading more about Alcantara and Vizcaino (those names must be like Smith and Jones in Latin America), I think the Cubs got a pretty nice deal for Rizzo.

 

I'd feel a lot better if they gave Rizzo a proper way for the fans to celebrate him one last time in a game. It bothers me a lot for some reason.

[squally1313]

After reading more about Alcantara and Vizcaino (those names must be like Smith and Jones in Latin America), I think the Cubs got a pretty nice deal for Rizzo.

 

I'd feel a lot better if they gave Rizzo a proper way for the fans to celebrate him one last time in a game. It bothers me a lot for some reason.

 

Giving a lot of people who do not deserve the benefit of the doubt the benefit of the doubt, I could see a scenario where they didn't think they were going to get enough to justify trading him and then this offer kinda blew all the others (Red Sox, etc) out of the water. But I think it's just easier for me to stay mad at PTR/Ross/etc.

[TarzanJoeWallis]

After reading more about Alcantara and Vizcaino (those names must be like Smith and Jones in Latin America), I think the Cubs got a pretty nice deal for Rizzo.

 

I'd feel a lot better if they gave Rizzo a proper way for the fans to celebrate him one last time in a game. It bothers me a lot for some reason.

 

Giving a lot of people who do not deserve the benefit of the doubt the benefit of the doubt, I could see a scenario where they didn't think they were going to get enough to justify trading him and then this offer kinda blew all the others (Red Sox, etc) out of the water. But I think it's just easier for me to stay mad at PTR/Ross/etc.

I don’t know why people would expect the Cubs (or any team for that matter) to let a player they are maybe trading take a final at bat or play a final game. I would have been super pissed if the trade fell through because he got hit by a pitch and broke his wrist just because we wanted him to have one last ovation.

[squally1313]

After reading more about Alcantara and Vizcaino (those names must be like Smith and Jones in Latin America), I think the Cubs got a pretty nice deal for Rizzo.

 

I'd feel a lot better if they gave Rizzo a proper way for the fans to celebrate him one last time in a game. It bothers me a lot for some reason.

 

Giving a lot of people who do not deserve the benefit of the doubt the benefit of the doubt, I could see a scenario where they didn't think they were going to get enough to justify trading him and then this offer kinda blew all the others (Red Sox, etc) out of the water. But I think it's just easier for me to stay mad at PTR/Ross/etc.

I don’t know why people would expect the Cubs (or any team for that matter) to let a player they are maybe trading take a final at bat or play a final game. I would have been super pissed if the trade fell through because he got hit by a pitch and broke his wrist just because we wanted him to have one last ovation.

Then put him at first base for the top of the ninth or something. If you know you're trading your starting first baseman for two prospects, wanting to win is clearly out the window. Ross said before the game he hoped that he could get them in to PH to get an ovation, and then let Kyle Ryan hit for himself in the 7th inning.