Pederson to Braves

[CubinNY]

Better ex-Dodger Cubs career, Joc Pedersom or Todd Hollandsworth? I think I disliked Joc more.

Wrong answer.

[Outshined_One]

Ball might be an option down the road for DH.

 

I'm getting a serious Brian Dopirak vibe reading about him. It's not a bad thing, since sometimes those guys pan out.

Even if we have a Chris Davis-type outcome, that can be useful when under team control.

 

What's more intriguing to me is this helps get a picture of the current trade market for hitters. I had resigned myself to the outcome that the Cubs wouldn't get a Top 100 prospect for any of Baez/Bryant/Rizzo, but Joc for Ball suggests that might not be the case.

[UMFan83]

Better ex-Dodger Cubs career, Joc Pedersom or Todd Hollandsworth? I think I disliked Joc more.

Wrong answer.

 

It's interesting...I don't remember Dutchvalue giving off douchy vibes like Joc pre-Cubs, but I don't think Joc had any hits in the 2 Dodgers playoff series that hurt even close to as much as Todd's 3 run double in Game 6 of the 2003 NLCS. In fact looking at the numbers he helped the Cubs, going a combined 5-26 (.491 OPS) with 2 extra base hits (both doubles), 1 RBI and a 39% K rate in the 2 series.

 

Todd was actually pretty awesome for the Cubs in 2004 and was starting to play every day until he got hurt for the season in like June. In 2005 he came back and was terrible before being traded in August to the braves.

[toonsterwu]

Ball might be an option down the road for DH.

 

I'm getting a serious Brian Dopirak vibe reading about him. It's not a bad thing, since sometimes those guys pan out.

Even if we have a Chris Davis-type outcome, that can be useful when under team control.

 

What's more intriguing to me is this helps get a picture of the current trade market for hitters. I had resigned myself to the outcome that the Cubs wouldn't get a Top 100 prospect for any of Baez/Bryant/Rizzo, but Joc for Ball suggests that might not be the case.

 

I don't know how much to read into the Joc trade to judge what we can get for others. I think the Acuna injury and the desire to get someone in there probably prompted the Braves to make this move, and this is a price that, for their system, is probably well worth it to try and keep it going this year. I think, depending on the team, we still might be able to fish out a Top 100, but I just don't know how much correlation this trade has on everything else.

 

Total side note, but because of the high walk rates, I had been thinking Brandon Sing, but Sing got better as he hit AA before flatlining. Micah Hoffpauir was another thought.

[CubinNY]

Better ex-Dodger Cubs career, Joc Pedersom or Todd Hollandsworth? I think I disliked Joc more.

Wrong answer.

 

It's interesting...I don't remember Dutchvalue giving off douchy vibes like Joc pre-Cubs, but I don't think Joc had any hits in the 2 Dodgers playoff series that hurt even close to as much as Todd's 3 run double in Game 6 of the 2003 NLCS. In fact looking at the numbers he helped the Cubs, going a combined 5-26 (.491 OPS) with 2 extra base hits (both doubles), 1 RBI and a 39% K rate in the 2 series.

 

Todd was actually pretty awesome for the Cubs in 2004 and was starting to play every day until he got hurt for the season in like June. In 2005 he came back and was terrible before being traded in August to the braves.

To me the worst thing about Todd was that he was so bad with the Marlins in 03, they had to bring up a 20-year-old Miggy early and he helped them get them the WC and the rest is history. My memory is pretty fuzzy, but it seems like he was blocking some prospect from getting regular playing time while he was with the Cubs.

 

Side note: Can you imagine any team trading a 25 year old with Miggy skills?

[jersey cubs fan]

It says a lot about the jock era that they got a guy with very little chance to even sniff the majors for him and it was arguably a steal in favor of the Cubs.

[UMFan83]

Wrong answer.

 

It's interesting...I don't remember Dutchvalue giving off douchy vibes like Joc pre-Cubs, but I don't think Joc had any hits in the 2 Dodgers playoff series that hurt even close to as much as Todd's 3 run double in Game 6 of the 2003 NLCS. In fact looking at the numbers he helped the Cubs, going a combined 5-26 (.491 OPS) with 2 extra base hits (both doubles), 1 RBI and a 39% K rate in the 2 series.

 

Todd was actually pretty awesome for the Cubs in 2004 and was starting to play every day until he got hurt for the season in like June. In 2005 he came back and was terrible before being traded in August to the braves.

To me the worst thing about Todd was that he was so bad with the Marlins in 03, they had to bring up a 20-year-old Miggy early and he helped them get them the WC and the rest is history. My memory is pretty fuzzy, but it seems like he was blocking some prospect from getting regular playing time while he was with the Cubs.

 

Side note: Can you imagine any team trading a 25 year old with Miggy skills?

 

I could be way off but I think it was Jason Dubois

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

It's interesting...I don't remember Dutchvalue giving off douchy vibes like Joc pre-Cubs, but I don't think Joc had any hits in the 2 Dodgers playoff series that hurt even close to as much as Todd's 3 run double in Game 6 of the 2003 NLCS. In fact looking at the numbers he helped the Cubs, going a combined 5-26 (.491 OPS) with 2 extra base hits (both doubles), 1 RBI and a 39% K rate in the 2 series.

 

Todd was actually pretty awesome for the Cubs in 2004 and was starting to play every day until he got hurt for the season in like June. In 2005 he came back and was terrible before being traded in August to the braves.

To me the worst thing about Todd was that he was so bad with the Marlins in 03, they had to bring up a 20-year-old Miggy early and he helped them get them the WC and the rest is history. My memory is pretty fuzzy, but it seems like he was blocking some prospect from getting regular playing time while he was with the Cubs.

 

Side note: Can you imagine any team trading a 25 year old with Miggy skills?

 

I could be way off but I think it was Jason Dubois

 

Also Matt Murton

[David]

This prompted me to see what Jason Dubois has been up to and it yielded this...

 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-dubois-04a2a863/

 

and this

 

https://www.pinalcentral.com/casa_grande_dispatch/local_sports/cg-tractor-supply-employee-dubois-recalls-pro-career-with-cubs/article_3788d183-f82c-56d9-b089-09300c78a0a6.html

[Post Count Padder]

This prompted me to see what Jason Dubois has been up to and it yielded this...

 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-dubois-04a2a863/

 

and this

 

https://www.pinalcentral.com/casa_grande_dispatch/local_sports/cg-tractor-supply-employee-dubois-recalls-pro-career-with-cubs/article_3788d183-f82c-56d9-b089-09300c78a0a6.html

I am a baseball card collector/nerd and got into the habit of sending cards through the mail to players for them to sign. I've been mostly successful and received signed cards back from guys like Sandberg, Dawson, Dunston, Glenn Beckert, Don Kessinger, Zambrano, Adbert, Seal Boy, etc. I've also gotten returns from some obscure players like Dubois. He sent back to me in like a week.

[NOLA]

Wrong answer.

 

It's interesting...I don't remember Dutchvalue giving off douchy vibes like Joc pre-Cubs, but I don't think Joc had any hits in the 2 Dodgers playoff series that hurt even close to as much as Todd's 3 run double in Game 6 of the 2003 NLCS. In fact looking at the numbers he helped the Cubs, going a combined 5-26 (.491 OPS) with 2 extra base hits (both doubles), 1 RBI and a 39% K rate in the 2 series.

 

Todd was actually pretty awesome for the Cubs in 2004 and was starting to play every day until he got hurt for the season in like June. In 2005 he came back and was terrible before being traded in August to the braves.

To me the worst thing about Todd was that he was so bad with the Marlins in 03, they had to bring up a 20-year-old Miggy early and he helped them get them the WC and the rest is history. My memory is pretty fuzzy, but it seems like he was blocking some prospect from getting regular playing time while he was with the Cubs.

 

Side note: Can you imagine any team trading a 25 year old with Miggy skills?

12-04-2007 Traded by Florida Marlins with Dontrelle Willis to Detroit Tigers in exchange for Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, Eulogio de la Cruz, Mike Rabelo, Burke Badenhop and Dallas Trahern (December 4, 2007)

 

I knew it was likely a bad trade, but wow.

[Bertz]

Ball might be an option down the road for DH.

 

I'm getting a serious Brian Dopirak vibe reading about him. It's not a bad thing, since sometimes those guys pan out.

Even if we have a Chris Davis-type outcome, that can be useful when under team control.

 

What's more intriguing to me is this helps get a picture of the current trade market for hitters. I had resigned myself to the outcome that the Cubs wouldn't get a Top 100 prospect for any of Baez/Bryant/Rizzo, but Joc for Ball suggests that might not be the case.

 

I think it's simply that teams aren't looking at thing as superficial as even a slash line. Joc's been kind of a dud, but his underlying skills like plate discipline, exit velocity, etc. have all been fine. So teams, or at least a team, feels reasonably confident that he's still the same guy he's been historically and paid accordingly.

[toonsterwu]

 

It's interesting...I don't remember Dutchvalue giving off douchy vibes like Joc pre-Cubs, but I don't think Joc had any hits in the 2 Dodgers playoff series that hurt even close to as much as Todd's 3 run double in Game 6 of the 2003 NLCS. In fact looking at the numbers he helped the Cubs, going a combined 5-26 (.491 OPS) with 2 extra base hits (both doubles), 1 RBI and a 39% K rate in the 2 series.

 

Todd was actually pretty awesome for the Cubs in 2004 and was starting to play every day until he got hurt for the season in like June. In 2005 he came back and was terrible before being traded in August to the braves.

To me the worst thing about Todd was that he was so bad with the Marlins in 03, they had to bring up a 20-year-old Miggy early and he helped them get them the WC and the rest is history. My memory is pretty fuzzy, but it seems like he was blocking some prospect from getting regular playing time while he was with the Cubs.

 

Side note: Can you imagine any team trading a 25 year old with Miggy skills?

12-04-2007 Traded by Florida Marlins with Dontrelle Willis to Detroit Tigers in exchange for Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, Eulogio de la Cruz, Mike Rabelo, Burke Badenhop and Dallas Trahern (December 4, 2007)

 

I knew it was likely a bad trade, but wow.

 

It looks really bad, but you have to remember, in 2007, Maybin and Miller were largely consensus Top 20 prospects that were considered ready for a look. Thus, in the scheme of how trades get done for prospects, it's not nearly as bad as it sounds with the benefit of hindsight. The idea that two Top 20 prospects would get moved in any deal is slim these days. I mean, the Marlins probably aren't moving Sixto and Max Meyer in any deal, Giants probably won't move Luciano and Bart in any deal. The idea of the Blue Jays moving Pearson and Martin in any deal is almost slim.

 

Edit: I want to be clear, I'm not saying there isn't any deal that teams wouldn't move two top 20 prospects in all of baseball for. Just that, it would have to be a very unique deal for a young, likely cost-controlled top level player, and the idea that another MIggy situation exists out there, I just don't see it on the slate for this year.

[minnesotacubsfan]

How likely is it that this trade could propitiate a call up for Davis?

[CubinNY]

How likely is it that this trade could propitiate a call up for Davis?

I'm no minor league expert, but I would say it will have no impact. Davis needs development time.

[minnesotacubsfan]

How about a trade for Buxton?

[Bertz]

How likely is it that this trade could propitiate a call up for Davis?

 

No chance, the question is likely between Alfonso Rivas or Michael Hermosillo. Rivas is a tweener 1B/LF who we got for Tony Kemp, and Hermosillo was the most interesting of the minor league free agents Jed signed last winter, and is killing it at Iowa, but is 26.

[UMFan83]

 

That doesn’t sound right. 29th?

[toonsterwu]

It's not ridiculous to say he's down there. I really haven't pondered it much, but you've typically got groupings of players where it's eye of the beholder, and after our top 5-6 or so, we've probably a grouping of 10-12 guys who get fairly similar grades/values, and after that, another 15-25 that are probably closely clumped together. Ball's got some ceiling to him because of the power, but based off his performance this year, he could be less than Brandon Sing, who tapped out at AAA and was steadily exposed. His performance this year will bring him down a bit in regards to those that don't view him highly.

 

Based off his raw power, and the fact that last year was a lost year, I probably wouldn't put him that low just yet, but I think there's probably a reasonable defense of it if someone felt that way. Rebel Ridling had big time power too, after all.