NBA 20-21 Season

[Cubswin11]

James Harden is an agent of chaos and a complete horsefeathering moron

 

 

 

[NOLA]

Yes, new NBA season thread.

 

Also, I’m happy to see my irrational dislike of James Harden has been justified.

[ChiCubsFan]

Harden sure does enjoy his strip clubs. I once saw a graph depicting a correlation between his level of play and the quality of strip clubs in the road city he was playing in. Fascinating stuff.

[NOLA]

Harden sure does enjoy his strip clubs. I once saw a graph depicting a correlation between his level of play and the quality of strip clubs in the road city he was playing in. Fascinating stuff.

If there is a correlation between good strip clubs and James Harden’s eFficiency rating in graph form that must be posted.

[raw]

Man, I am sold on the Nets if they stay healthy. Forget coming out of the East, they are a legit threat to the Lakers if Jarrett Allen continues to play like he did today. If they can get Joe Harris and Dinwiddie more involved (34 ppg combined last year), they are deep enough and have a ton of scoring ability.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Giannis was the only Bucks player not to hit a 3 tonight as they set an NBA record with 29. He had just 9 of the teams 144 points.

 

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[WrigleyField 22]

Harden sure does enjoy his strip clubs. I once saw a graph depicting a correlation between his level of play and the quality of strip clubs in the road city he was playing in. Fascinating stuff.

If there is a correlation between good strip clubs and James Harden’s eFficiency rating in graph form that must be posted.

[raw]

Nets blew out Utah with Caris Levert putting up 24 points in 21 minutes and Jarrett Allen going 18 Pts/19 RBs and his 3rd double double in 4 games. That roster's deep and varied and I like it

 

Durant's out this week under quarantine after exposure, tested positive in May and multiple negative tests here

 

After I said i was sold on them on Christmas, they lost like 4 out of 5 and had a worst record than the Knicks. But yeah, they SHOULD be there at the end of the season. May not be the 1 seed, but they'll be the hardest out in the East if at all.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Nets blew out Utah with Caris Levert putting up 24 points in 21 minutes and Jarrett Allen going 18 Pts/19 RBs and his 3rd double double in 4 games. That roster's deep and varied and I like it

 

Durant's out this week under quarantine after exposure, tested positive in May and multiple negative tests here

 

After I said i was sold on them on Christmas, they lost like 4 out of 5 and had a worst record than the Knicks. But yeah, they SHOULD be there at the end of the season. May not be the 1 seed, but they'll be the hardest out in the East if at all.

 

Losing Dinwiddie is rough.

[Old Style]

Harden to the Nets, 4 first round picks and Oladipo to the Rockets, LaVert to the Pacers

[NOLA]

Harden to the Nets, 4 first round picks and Oladipo to the Rockets, LaVert to the Pacers

Great trade for Houston. They also get three pick swaps on the first round.

[champaignchris]

If the Pacers just traded 1 year of Oladipo and nothing else for 3 years of Lavert, I'm fine with that. Oladipo wasn't going to re-sign with the Pacers at the end of the year.

 

Not much difference between the two in performance at this point anyway. Lavert is 2 years younger and probably more reliable from an injury perspective.

[Old Style]

Wow. Nothing against Allen, Levert, Prince, Kurucs, or whoever those late firsts might have been used on, but yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees. I'm confident the Nets are strong enough in player development that someone like Nic Claxton can step in and give competent minutes too, but man that Durant-Harden-Irving trio up top =D>

You're assuming Kyrie gets his head right, which seems to be a big assumption right now.

[raw]

Health's always a concern with Kyrie but at least one of the benefits of this deal is being less dependent on him

 

One thing I cannot get enough of in this deal is the Nets' confidence to move forward without first round picks. They already didn't drown crossing that ocean last decade, instead thrived and contributed immensely to helping change the perspective at least some on 2nd round NBA draft picks after developing guys like Harris and Dimwiddie

 

 

From 2014-2027, the Nets will have made one 1st round pick....that pick was Jarrett Allen who was included in this trade. Cleveland seems to quietly benefit a ton from this trade.

[UMFan83]

So sick of the NBA just being random collections of superstars with no franchise identity anymore.

 

To me the Lakers are the LeBron's, they've just moved from Cleveland and before that Miami. The Clippers are really just a team up between Kawhi and PG. The Nets are a just some random location where Durant, Kyrie and Harden could do a hostile takeover and gut a legitimately fun (though clearly less talented) team. I know there are other teams out there naturally built but for the most part the top contenders are just teams that look like they were put together on a playground.

 

I'm not even sure what I'm complaining about, I hate that I'm getting old enough where I'm complaining about how things arent like they used to be, but I can't control it. It's made me less interested in the NBA (though that enthusiasm would surely come back in the Bulls were good)

[SpongeWorthy]

So sick of the NBA just being random collections of superstars with no franchise identity anymore.

 

To me the Lakers are the LeBron's, they've just moved from Cleveland and before that Miami. The Clippers are really just a team up between Kawhi and PG. The Nets are a just some random location where Durant, Kyrie and Harden could do a hostile takeover and gut a legitimately fun (though clearly less talented) team. I know there are other teams out there naturally built but for the most part the top contenders are just teams that look like they were put together on a playground.

 

I'm not even sure what I'm complaining about, I hate that I'm getting old enough where I'm complaining about how things arent like they used to be, but I can't control it. It's made me less interested in the NBA (though that enthusiasm would surely come back in the Bulls were good)

 

you're right, this team up crap sucks ass

[Cubswin11]

I prefer having super teams vs every team just having 1 guy and the talent spread out.

[WrigleyField 22]

Kill the max salary. (dreaming)

[CaliforniaRaisin]

You'd like it a lot more if the Bulls could ever attract a top 5 player.

[ChiCubsFan]

It’s fun for the 3-4 franchises that have a chance. But not really anyone else. How do you get people to agree to eliminate the max salary? The only beneficiaries are the top 5ish% of NBA players and the fans. But the NBA isn’t exactly hurting in popularity among the younger fans.

 

Has anyone come up with a legitimate proposal? Perhaps you can have one player that you can pay additional money to, but only the “max contract” portion applies towards the salary cap? I don’t know.

[WrigleyField 22]

It’s fun for the 3-4 franchises that have a chance. But not really anyone else. How do you get people to agree to eliminate the max salary? The only beneficiaries are the top 5ish% of NBA players and the fans. But the NBA isn’t exactly hurting in popularity among the younger fans.

 

Has anyone come up with a legitimate proposal? Perhaps you can have one player that you can pay additional money to, but only the “max contract” portion applies towards the salary cap? I don’t know.

No you're absolutely right. The ship is sailed.

 

The not having a portion apply to the cap is an interesting idea. They have the super max now, but I think the whole amount still counts towards cap/tax and it's hurt player retention in a few cases. I don't think it woild help the super team thing necessarily but it'd help in the few cases where supermax has been a negative affect on retention.

 

At the end of the day, drafting a guy and then extending him typically gets you at least 6-8 years of control. If you haven't shown you can build around him in 6-8 years I guess he's gonna bolt and pair up on a super team. :dontknow:

[champaignchris]

This has been the issue with NBA basketball for generations...

 

At any one time there are maybe a dozen basketball players in the world that are heads and shoulders better than everyone else. The smaller teams compared to other team sports means that these elite players have a disproportionate impact on the game in comparison.

 

This is why Bill Russell's Celtics went to 12 finals in 13 years. Or MJ's Bulls won 6 finals in 8. Or whatever team LeBron happens to be on has gone to the Finals 9 years in 10. Wilt was in 6 Finals in 10 years. Shaquille was in 5 Finals in 7 years. Etc., etc. The generational talent almost always wins out. It's not like baseball where the greatest pitcher of all time still needs other pitchers to go in games he's not pitching and guys to score some runs for him.

 

There aren't enough elite players to go around. The NBA could eliminate about 10 teams, disperse those players throughout the rest of the league, and the only people who'd even notice are the fans in the cities that lost teams. (As a Pacers fan, I acknowledge that this is a pretty dangerous stance to take - My team would absolutely be one of those teams that nobody missed.) NBA players have figured this out and have figured out how to leverage themselves onto the teams they want. Guys who don't want to be Charles Barkley or Steve Nash - all time greats who just happened to not be the single greatest at the time they were playing - go looking for an opportunity to win championships.

[soccer10k]

It’s fun for the 3-4 franchises that have a chance. But not really anyone else. How do you get people to agree to eliminate the max salary? The only beneficiaries are the top 5ish% of NBA players and the fans. But the NBA isn’t exactly hurting in popularity among the younger fans.

 

Has anyone come up with a legitimate proposal? Perhaps you can have one player that you can pay additional money to, but only the “max contract” portion applies towards the salary cap? I don’t know.

No you're absolutely right. The ship is sailed.

 

The not having a portion apply to the cap is an interesting idea. They have the super max now, but I think the whole amount still counts towards cap/tax and it's hurt player retention in a few cases. I don't think it woild help the super team thing necessarily but it'd help in the few cases where supermax has been a negative affect on retention.

 

At the end of the day, drafting a guy and then extending him typically gets you at least 6-8 years of control. If you haven't shown you can build around him in 6-8 years I guess he's gonna bolt and pair up on a super team. :dontknow:

 

The difference is in this case Houston did everything Harden could have wanted. They made two conference finals and three conf semis in the last six years, the one year they didn't was when Harden showed up out of shape and they went 41-41. They were a Chris Paul hammy pull away from the finals (and maybe a title). They gave up a bunch of stuff for Chris Paul and then, when Harden couldn't work with him, traded more stuff for Westbrook because that's what Harden wanted. They let him score 35 ppg and shoot whenever he wanted. Then they slip all the way to the four seed twice and he wants out because it's too tough to compete against the Lakers.

 

There's a decent chance with Kyrie there this blows up spectacularly and I'm definitely rooting for that outcome. That and Harden shooting 3-16 as his team loses in another elimination game.

[Old Style]

Some players just aren't worth the hassle no matter how individually talented they are. Seems like the Nets now have 2 of them.

[raw]

Some players just aren't worth the hassle no matter how individually talented they are. Seems like the Nets now have 2 of them.

 

Harden had no issues until the last 4-6 weeks when he made it known he wanted out. He got out. I don't see why he would be an issue going forward....until he wants out of Brooklyn.