Week 13: Detroit Lions @ Chicago BEARS

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

THE TEAM LACKS DEPTH, AND THEY LACK DEPTH BECAUSE THEY'VE TRADED AWAY PICKS. THEY CANT AFFORD TO KEEP DOING THAT

 

sry capslock

 

 

eta: look at it this way, they don't have a #2 WR, no #2 RB, no #1 TE (there's hope for Kmet), and all of their OLine backups are 7th rd or UFA's. You know what helps a team fill out those backups at reasonable prices? draft picks. Sure, this off season could be different with the CAP being low, but you're just likely to get older players who will command more salary anyway

 

Raw is absolutely right. You can and should trade up for a game-changing QB, just have to get the pick right. No one is saying Kansas City (10th overall for 27 overall, a 3rd rounder and a 1st rounder the next year) or Houston (12 for 27 and a first rounder the next year) traded too much for Mahomes and Watson. Obviously they should avoid trading a first rounder but they shouldn't have to at their current trajectory.

 

They can and should backfill draft picks in other ways, yes (trade veterans, compensation picks, trade downs in non-QB scenarios). Also, if you don't have conviction on the QBs available, don't force one and work on filling the many other holes on the team. The Bears will probably get another chance at the top QBs in 2022.

Good post except the word conviction is hereby banned post-Pace era. That is a dirty word now lol.

 

Hah. Honestly, I forgot Pace used it. I was channeling my inner-Jim Deshaies.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I’m not saying this team is 1-15 quality or anything. It’s just definitely bad, it’s old, and there’s not a lot of resources for them to get better. There’s some talent (mostly on defense) but it’s not enough and it’s not going to become enough.

 

I’m including this year when I say multi-year tank job. Take your cap medicine this offseason, quit frantically restructuring to try to buy enough band-aids. It should have been done last year instead of spazzing out on Quinn and Foles, who accomplished nothing whatsoever except making the cap problems even worse this coming offseason.

 

I’m not expecting them to dump vets for picks or anything. I doubt you could even get much for anyone except maybe Hicks or Fuller. Just stop aggressively borrowing from the future to try to salvage this rotten core.

 

You either draft your QB this coming draft or the next one, and then you see where you are entering 2022.

[minnesotacubsfan]

man, you're all going to look foolish when Pace trades up to #5 and drafts Kyle Trask

[minnesotacubsfan]

"I like Kyle. I had great conviction to draft Kyle. Kyle drives a remarkable car, a 2004 Honda Accord"

[raw]

I’m not saying this team is 1-15 quality or anything. It’s just definitely bad, it’s old, and there’s not a lot of resources for them to get better. There’s some talent (mostly on defense) but it’s not enough and it’s not going to become enough.

 

I’m including this year when I say multi-year tank job. Take your cap medicine this offseason, quit frantically restructuring to try to buy enough band-aids. It should have been done last year instead of spazzing out on Quinn and Foles, who accomplished nothing whatsoever except making the cap problems even worse this coming offseason.

 

I’m not expecting them to dump vets for picks or anything. I doubt you could even get much for anyone except maybe Hicks or Fuller. Just stop aggressively borrowing from the future to try to salvage this rotten core.

 

You either draft your QB this coming draft or the next one, and then you see where you are entering 2022.

 

I don't think borrowing from the future will be a thing you have to worry about. Ryan Pace did that because he was desperately trying to win to save him and his coach's jobs. Assuming he's fired, I don't know of too many situations (maybe some past Cleveland GMs) where a guy comes in and starts throwing tons of money around.

[WrigleyField 22]

Well that's a little more fair Kyle. I generally don't count accidental tank years, but if you include this season and then say next season is kind of shot, that should be the extent of it more or less. Pace may have been aggressive with cap maneuvering but those affects don't last that long as long as you commit to ripping off the bandaid. That said if Pace sticks around I'd generally expect him to continue to push the cap deferral limits since thats been the Saints approach. I'm not against sneaky cap manuevering; might as well stack cap resources into windows, even if it's a little boom or bust. The Saints would be on the extreme end, but theres a balance to strike I think where maybe you're doing a cap reset every 4-5 years and maximize 3-4 year windows in between those resets where you mini tank. That cap manuevering can happen in concert with the long term comp pick pipeline where you continually build draft capital and keep on getting picks back from the comp process, feeding the next group of comp pick getters. Considering what Pace inherited he set up that comp pick pipeline about as quick as you could expect.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I’m not saying this team is 1-15 quality or anything. It’s just definitely bad, it’s old, and there’s not a lot of resources for them to get better. There’s some talent (mostly on defense) but it’s not enough and it’s not going to become enough.

 

I’m including this year when I say multi-year tank job. Take your cap medicine this offseason, quit frantically restructuring to try to buy enough band-aids. It should have been done last year instead of spazzing out on Quinn and Foles, who accomplished nothing whatsoever except making the cap problems even worse this coming offseason.

 

I’m not expecting them to dump vets for picks or anything. I doubt you could even get much for anyone except maybe Hicks or Fuller. Just stop aggressively borrowing from the future to try to salvage this rotten core.

 

You either draft your QB this coming draft or the next one, and then you see where you are entering 2022.

 

I don't think borrowing from the future will be a thing you have to worry about. Ryan Pace did that because he was desperately trying to win to save him and his coach's jobs. Assuming he's fired, I don't know of too many situations (maybe some past Cleveland GMs) where a guy comes in and starts throwing tons of money around.

 

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm worried about Pace not being fired, then?

 

I think we're being over-optimistic about the offense though, outside of Robinson, who probably won't be back. The offensive line is a dumpster-fire and it's *all* of them. They range from "below-average starter but definitely a starter" to "why is this guy in the league," but none of them are good. Montgomery is aggressively ordinary and average. Kmet and Mooney look like they could be useful guys but it's a long way from "useful" to "above-average starter." Everyone else can go away forever and not be missed for a second.

 

And we still don't have a QB, which is by far the most important position. Foles is just Trubisky but with mobility instead of intelligence as his dump stat.

 

You could probably fix all this in a couple of drafts, but by the time you do, the defense that is already too old will be in need of a complete overhaul. But focus on the offense first anyway because who cares about defense?

[WrigleyField 22]

I’m not saying this team is 1-15 quality or anything. It’s just definitely bad, it’s old, and there’s not a lot of resources for them to get better. There’s some talent (mostly on defense) but it’s not enough and it’s not going to become enough.

 

I’m including this year when I say multi-year tank job. Take your cap medicine this offseason, quit frantically restructuring to try to buy enough band-aids. It should have been done last year instead of spazzing out on Quinn and Foles, who accomplished nothing whatsoever except making the cap problems even worse this coming offseason.

 

I’m not expecting them to dump vets for picks or anything. I doubt you could even get much for anyone except maybe Hicks or Fuller. Just stop aggressively borrowing from the future to try to salvage this rotten core.

 

You either draft your QB this coming draft or the next one, and then you see where you are entering 2022.

 

I don't think borrowing from the future will be a thing you have to worry about. Ryan Pace did that because he was desperately trying to win to save him and his coach's jobs. Assuming he's fired, I don't know of too many situations (maybe some past Cleveland GMs) where a guy comes in and starts throwing tons of money around.

 

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm worried about Pace not being fired, then?

 

I think we're being over-optimistic about the offense though, outside of Robinson, who probably won't be back. The offensive line is a dumpster-fire and it's *all* of them. They range from "below-average starter but definitely a starter" to "why is this guy in the league," but none of them are good. Montgomery is aggressively ordinary and average. Kmet and Mooney look like they could be useful guys but it's a long way from "useful" to "above-average starter." Everyone else can go away forever and not be missed for a second.

 

And we still don't have a QB, which is by far the most important position. Foles is just Trubisky but with mobility instead of intelligence as his dump stat.

 

You could probably fix all this in a couple of drafts, but by the time you do, the defense that is already too old will be in need of a complete overhaul. But focus on the offense first anyway because who cares about defense?

If they keep Pace I don't know what to expect. But I'd be more concerned about possibly leveraging fuutre draft resources than future cap resources. That may not be a ringing endorsement, but that's where I am.

 

Also if Pace is back I really really hope it's with an extension so hes not acting with his job on the line. If he's got a fresh 4-5 years hopefully he acts rationally, understanding he still hasn't addressed QB and doesn't have an obvious great route to do so yet.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

"I like Kyle. I had great conviction to draft Kyle. Kyle drives a remarkable car, a 2004 Honda Accord"

 

Trask goes to Florida so that's probably his second car.

[Soul]

Bad teams find ways to lose games.

LOL. I love this post, just a random “we suck” among all the talk of ways to rebuild.

[UMFan83]

 

Lol

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Lol

 

 

out of curiosity, how much do the Rams blitz?

[raw]

Brian Daboll is a pretty interesting candidate. He has worked wonders with Josh Allen who looked like Trubisky 2.0 after his rookie year. From mid 60s QB rating, to mid 80s, to over 100 this year. Allen looking really good tonight.

[raw]

I'll probably change this 1000x before they actually fire Pace/Nagy and this won't happen but...

 

My ideal scenario would be to raid the Colts..

 

Throw the sink at Chris Ballard to become Team President.

 

Ed Dobbs-GM

Matt Eberflus-HC

Marcus Brady-OC

Dave Borgonzi-DC

 

Right now, I'm feeling:

 

Rick Smith- President of Football Operations (former Texans GM before O'Brien)

Ed Dodds (Colts asst GM) or Joe Hortiz (Ravens asst GM)- GM

Brandon Staley - HC (Rams DC, former Bears asst under Fangio)

Shane Waldron- OC (Rams QB coach, passing game coordinator)

Jay Rodgers- DC (Current Bears DL coach, former asst under Fangio)

 

Dodds seemingly was a package deal with Robert Saleh last year when Cleveland was interested, but Cleveland went with another HC. So, he may be of a lot of interest to Detroit. If that's still the case, give me Hortiz. But yes, I went with a defensive head coach. He has Bears ties and his name is Staley! But the ideal pairing is a Fangio disciple led defense with an offensive coach from the Shanahan tree. Best of both worlds. Waldron could bring in a veteran consultant since all these guys are young. But Rodgers and Staley overlapped under Fangio, and allows the Bears to keep and promote maybe their only good position coach.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I'll probably change this 1000x before they actually fire Pace/Nagy and this won't happen but...

 

My ideal scenario would be to raid the Colts..

 

Throw the sink at Chris Ballard to become Team President.

 

Ed Dobbs-GM

Matt Eberflus-HC

Marcus Brady-OC

Dave Borgonzi-DC

 

Right now, I'm feeling:

 

Rick Smith- President of Football Operations (former Texans GM before O'Brien)

Ed Dodds (Colts asst GM) or Joe Hortiz (Ravens asst GM)- GM

Brandon Staley - HC (Rams DC, former Bears asst under Fangio)

Shane Waldron- OC (Rams QB coach, passing game coordinator)

Jay Rodgers- DC (Current Bears DL coach, former asst under Fangio)

 

Dodds seemingly was a package deal with Robert Saleh last year when Cleveland was interested, but Cleveland went with another HC. So, he may be of a lot of interest to Detroit. If that's still the case, give me Hortiz. But yes, I went with a defensive head coach. He has Bears ties and his name is Staley! But the ideal pairing is a Fangio disciple led defense with an offensive coach from the Shanahan tree. Best of both worlds. Waldron could bring in a veteran consultant since all these guys are young. But Rodgers and Staley overlapped under Fangio, and allows the Bears to keep and promote maybe their only good position coach.

 

Oh, I like what I've seen of Staley.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'll probably change this 1000x before they actually fire Pace/Nagy and this won't happen but...

 

My ideal scenario would be to raid the Colts..

 

Throw the sink at Chris Ballard to become Team President.

 

Ed Dobbs-GM

Matt Eberflus-HC

Marcus Brady-OC

Dave Borgonzi-DC

 

Right now, I'm feeling:

 

Rick Smith- President of Football Operations (former Texans GM before O'Brien)

Ed Dodds (Colts asst GM) or Joe Hortiz (Ravens asst GM)- GM

Brandon Staley - HC (Rams DC, former Bears asst under Fangio)

Shane Waldron- OC (Rams QB coach, passing game coordinator)

Jay Rodgers- DC (Current Bears DL coach, former asst under Fangio)

 

Dodds seemingly was a package deal with Robert Saleh last year when Cleveland was interested, but Cleveland went with another HC. So, he may be of a lot of interest to Detroit. If that's still the case, give me Hortiz. But yes, I went with a defensive head coach. He has Bears ties and his name is Staley! But the ideal pairing is a Fangio disciple led defense with an offensive coach from the Shanahan tree. Best of both worlds. Waldron could bring in a veteran consultant since all these guys are young. But Rodgers and Staley overlapped under Fangio, and allows the Bears to keep and promote maybe their only good position coach.

I'm not convinced you'd be able to poach the likes of Dodd with what is effectively a number 2 role. Maybe Hortiz. I think if you like Smith you just make him the GM.

 

Smith is an intriguing option though.

[tfarks]

Brian Daboll is a pretty interesting candidate. He has worked wonders with Josh Allen who looked like Trubisky 2.0 after his rookie year. From mid 60s QB rating, to mid 80s, to over 100 this year. Allen looking really good tonight.

 

It still seems odd to poach an OC from the Bills for a HC gig. But I'd be a fan of this hire. If it's not the Bears he'll end up as a HC somewhere.

[UMFan83]

From an Athletic article I read:

 

On 12 occasions this season (excluding the final two minutes of either half), the Bears have called a timeout on offense. Only twice has the ensuing play been successful.

 

It’s not so much that the Bears fail to execute coming out of a timeout, it’s that on several occasions, it’s made things worse and backed up the offense.

 

If interested in the breakdown of all 12 TOs: https://theathletic.com/2247984/2020/12/08/bears-offensive-confusion-timeouts/?source=user_shared_article

[minnesotacubsfan]

From an Athletic article I read:

 

On 12 occasions this season (excluding the final two minutes of either half), the Bears have called a timeout on offense. Only twice has the ensuing play been successful.

 

It’s not so much that the Bears fail to execute coming out of a timeout, it’s that on several occasions, it’s made things worse and backed up the offense.

 

If interested in the breakdown of all 12 TOs: https://theathletic.com/2247984/2020/12/08/bears-offensive-confusion-timeouts/?source=user_shared_article

The leading image in that article: are Nagy's hands massive or what? Jebus

[raw]

With his performance on Sunday, Mitch Trubisky overtook Jay Cutler with the franchise's best career QB rating for anyone over 300 passes. His rating is 86.1.

[Soul]

Brian Daboll is a pretty interesting candidate. He has worked wonders with Josh Allen who looked like Trubisky 2.0 after his rookie year. From mid 60s QB rating, to mid 80s, to over 100 this year. Allen looking really good tonight.

 

It still seems odd to poach an OC from the Bills for a HC gig. But I'd be a fan of this hire. If it's not the Bears he'll end up as a HC somewhere.

 

I would have laid a few dollars Allen would be out of the league or settled in as a backup, so yeah I'd say that's pretty impressive.

[BigbadB]

Yesterday was the 80 year anniversary of the most lopsided game in NFL history, with the Bears beating the Skins 73-0 in the Championship game. Sid Luckman vs. Sammy Baugh. I was browsing the box score and thought I would point out some interesting observations:

 

- The Redskins only punted 3 times

- The Redskins threw 8 interceptions, with 3 of them returned for td's

- The Redskins fumbled 4 times in the game

- 7 different players kicked the extra point for the Bears

- 12 different players had at least one carry for the Bears

[We Got The Whole 9]

Yesterday was the 80 year anniversary of the most lopsided game in NFL history, with the Bears beating the Skins 73-0 in the Championship game. Sid Luckman vs. Sammy Baugh. I was browsing the box score and thought I would point out some interesting observations:

 

- The Redskins only punted 3 times

- The Redskins threw 8 interceptions, with 3 of them returned for td's

- The Redskins fumbled 4 times in the game

- 7 different players kicked the extra point for the Bears

- 12 different players had at least one carry for the Bears

The fix was in

 

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[minnesotacubsfan]

"I like Kyle. I had great conviction to draft Kyle. Kyle drives a remarkable car, a 2004 Honda Accord"

 

Trask goes to Florida so that's probably his second car.

so your suggesting Pace could be fooled 3 times with one draft pick?

 

1) fooled into trading up when he doesn't need to

2) fooled by picking the wrong qb

3) fooled into thinking that foreign made family sedan is his only car?

 

I dont disagree sir

[raw]

Yesterday was the 80 year anniversary of the most lopsided game in NFL history, with the Bears beating the Skins 73-0 in the Championship game. Sid Luckman vs. Sammy Baugh. I was browsing the box score and thought I would point out some interesting observations:

 

- The Redskins only punted 3 times

- The Redskins threw 8 interceptions, with 3 of them returned for td's

- The Redskins fumbled 4 times in the game

- 7 different players kicked the extra point for the Bears

- 12 different players had at least one carry for the Bears

 

Never a good sign with the 10th string RB is getting the rock.