Week 9: Bears at Titans (12:00 FOX)

[jersey cubs fan]

Why does it seem like Pace doesn't get the grilling that he so richly deserves? He's always been horrible, is horrible, and will continue to be horrible. Was it not clear when he picked Trubisky that he's way out of his league?

 

I disagree with every word of this. First, Pace gets plenty of heat. Many predicted the Trubisky draft would get him fired by the 2018 offseason. Instead, they won the division. People were grilling Pace for trading assets for Foles when they could have had Dalton or Newton. Bears fans definitely get on Pace pretty consistently.

 

As for him being horrible.....the Trubisky was weird. It was immediately ridiculed for the trade up. But I'd say about 70% of draft publications had Trubisky rated as the highest QB in the draft, ahead of Watson and Mahomes. And obviously, that pick has been ridiculed since those 2 have become elite QBs. And horrible is a little much. The early round picks are obviously killers. Trubisky, Kevin White and Shaheen were bad picks, but he's also drafted several building blocks for this team (Jackson, Goldman, Smith, Whitehair, Cohen, etc) and Hicks may be the best FA signing of the last 10 years. He has a better draft record than many GMs. I'm not trying to say he's "good" by any means, but he's not horrible. The Bears can and have done worse (see every GM since 1987). I also wouldn't shed a tear if they got rid of him tomorrow.

Whoa, hey, Jerry Angelo did an admirable job and only started making bad moves once Lovie gained enough respect and power within the organization to influence the draft.

[raw]

Why does it seem like Pace doesn't get the grilling that he so richly deserves? He's always been horrible, is horrible, and will continue to be horrible. Was it not clear when he picked Trubisky that he's way out of his league?

 

I disagree with every word of this. First, Pace gets plenty of heat. Many predicted the Trubisky draft would get him fired by the 2018 offseason. Instead, they won the division. People were grilling Pace for trading assets for Foles when they could have had Dalton or Newton. Bears fans definitely get on Pace pretty consistently.

 

As for him being horrible.....the Trubisky was weird. It was immediately ridiculed for the trade up. But I'd say about 70% of draft publications had Trubisky rated as the highest QB in the draft, ahead of Watson and Mahomes. And obviously, that pick has been ridiculed since those 2 have become elite QBs. And horrible is a little much. The early round picks are obviously killers. Trubisky, Kevin White and Shaheen were bad picks, but he's also drafted several building blocks for this team (Jackson, Goldman, Smith, Whitehair, Cohen, etc) and Hicks may be the best FA signing of the last 10 years. He has a better draft record than many GMs. I'm not trying to say he's "good" by any means, but he's not horrible. The Bears can and have done worse (see every GM since 1987). I also wouldn't shed a tear if they got rid of him tomorrow.

Whoa, hey, Jerry Angelo did an admirable job and only started making bad moves once Lovie gained enough respect and power within the organization to influence the draft.

 

That's true. I forgot about good Angelo. The "we don't need first round picks because we find stars later in the draft" Jerry Angelo was the guy I was remembering.

[raw]

Corona outbreak at Halas Hall! And of course, it's another lineman....Cody Whitehair tested positive (and won't be the last placed on the Covid list). Facility shut down.

[WrigleyField 22]

The Bears can and have done worse (see every GM since 1987). I also wouldn't shed a tear if they got rid of him tomorrow.

My gut hot take is if they replace Pace, they have about a 60% chance to get worse. About a 30% chance to stay the same, and a 10% to get better.

 

I'm pretty indifferent. The only thing I'd say is that him and Nagy are tied to the hip for me. They either leave or stay together. Nagy has 1 extra year on his contract right now, and Pace is headed towards a lame duck scenario next year if nothing is done.

 

The back half of this season is pretty critical for their future I think.

[Soul]

That’s the standard? He took a terrible team and now they aren’t so terrible?

[jersey cubs fan]

I've been thinking the owners want to do away with constant turnover at the GM/coaching level which has been going on repeatedly since Lovie left.

 

Pace has done enough to build a quality team that really just needs a solid QB to be a real contender. Nagy had the team playing about as well as it can, without a QB. I've thought owners would be happy to give Pace and Nagy an opportunity to find their QB together, giving them an opportunity to right the ship and potentially be a stable force.

 

I don't trust them to go out and get better execs. There aren't a ton of them out there anyway. But they would be justified in trying.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't trust them to go out and get better execs. There aren't a ton of them out there anyway. But they would be justified in trying.

That's basically what I'm resigned to. I just also care a lot less theae days.

 

Waiting mainly to see if they actually have a plan to keep the team in the family post-Virginia.

[jersey cubs fan]

That’s the standard? He took a terrible team and now they aren’t so terrible?

I mean, it's a standard. I think the McCaskeys appreciate that they made a playoff run and are in the hunt this year after being pathetic for a few years.

[minnesotacubsfan]

That’s the standard? He took a terrible team and now they aren’t so terrible?

I mean, it's a standard. I think the McCaskeys appreciate that they made a playoff run and are in the hunt this year after being pathetic for a few years.

 

its pretty stunning how a few missed draft picks can absolutely tank a team. I liked Trubisky when they drafted him primarily because as raw pointed out, he was a consensus top QB by the "gurus" (trading up was foolish, but a different issue). Its caused me to wonder how experts rate these guys, and why they can be so wildly off. Was there anyone saying Mahomes was the guy back then? if so, is that the pre-draft source to follow?

[Soul]

That’s the standard? He took a terrible team and now they aren’t so terrible?

I mean, it's a standard. I think the McCaskeys appreciate that they made a playoff run and are in the hunt this year after being pathetic for a few years.

 

its pretty stunning how a few missed draft picks can absolutely tank a team. I liked Trubisky when they drafted him primarily because as raw pointed out, he was a consensus top QB by the "gurus" (trading up was foolish, but a different issue). Its caused me to wonder how experts rate these guys, and why they can be so wildly off. Was there anyone saying Mahomes was the guy back then? if so, is that the pre-draft source to follow?

 

I'm really, really frustrated by the Trubisky pick. I was bewildered by it at the time, then talked myself down to a wait and see approach. So much rides on the right pick for QB. It's not binary good team/bad team, but it's a big measuring stick. Every time I see Mahomes I see Pace failing to see that. It's what he was paid to do. He's paid to see that

[WrigleyField 22]

I mean, it's a standard. I think the McCaskeys appreciate that they made a playoff run and are in the hunt this year after being pathetic for a few years.

 

its pretty stunning how a few missed draft picks can absolutely tank a team. I liked Trubisky when they drafted him primarily because as raw pointed out, he was a consensus top QB by the "gurus" (trading up was foolish, but a different issue). Its caused me to wonder how experts rate these guys, and why they can be so wildly off. Was there anyone saying Mahomes was the guy back then? if so, is that the pre-draft source to follow?

 

I'm really, really frustrated by the Trubisky pick. I was bewildered by it at the time, then talked myself down to a wait and see approach. So much rides on the right pick for QB. It's not binary good team/bad team, but it's a big measuring stick. Every time I see Mahomes I see Pace failing to see that. It's what he was paid to do. He's paid to see that

I think it's hard to be that binary with any single move.

[UMFan83]

I mean, it's a standard. I think the McCaskeys appreciate that they made a playoff run and are in the hunt this year after being pathetic for a few years.

 

its pretty stunning how a few missed draft picks can absolutely tank a team. I liked Trubisky when they drafted him primarily because as raw pointed out, he was a consensus top QB by the "gurus" (trading up was foolish, but a different issue). Its caused me to wonder how experts rate these guys, and why they can be so wildly off. Was there anyone saying Mahomes was the guy back then? if so, is that the pre-draft source to follow?

 

I'm really, really frustrated by the Trubisky pick. I was bewildered by it at the time, then talked myself down to a wait and see approach. So much rides on the right pick for QB. It's not binary good team/bad team, but it's a big measuring stick. Every time I see Mahomes I see Pace failing to see that. It's what he was paid to do. He's paid to see that

 

I didn't know enough about either of the guys to have a strong opinion on which one should be first, so I was fine with Mitch because many were calling him the top guy. I remember Mahomes was the high risk high reward guy, and Watson was the college spread QB that someone people thought would be great and some were not very high on him.

[raw]

Pace gets killed because he picked a lesser QB, but the first 10 teams on the clock screwed up that draft just as bad.

 

Clev- #1 pick, got a future possible defensive MVP in Garrett which is fine, but also traded the pick (12) that became Deshaun Watson. Would have the #1 pick the year after as well.

 

SF- passed on QB just so they could trade a high 2nd and give 100+Mil to Jimmy Garoppolo. Took them to a SB, but they'll probably try to get out of that deal this offseason and start over at QB.

 

Jax- Passed on QB for a RB and kept Blake Bortles.

 

Ten- passed on QB, keeping Mariota. Eventually traded a pick (not significant) for Tannehill and paying him millions of dollars

 

NYJ- passed on QB, only to take QB early the year later. That QB is going to lead them to the #1 pick this year.

 

LAC- passed on QB to keep 36-year old Rivers around. Drafted a QB top 10 this past offseason

 

CAR- passed on QB, which is understandable with Cam Newton. But he has since been often injured and cut, forcing them to spend several million on a slightly above average vet QB

 

CiN- drafted John Ross, who ran fast and just as quickly became a bust. They would pick #1 in just 3 years where'd they'd take....a QB.

 

BUF- traded the pick that would become Mahomes, to give the job to Tyrod Taylor and Nate Peterman. Would draft Josh Allen the next year.

 

All the teams that passed on Mahomes and Watson ended up with a top 10 pick either the next year or the year after and literally every single one would need to completely overhaul their QB position within 3 years.....some multiple times.

[Soul]

Pace gets killed because he picked a lesser QB, but the first 10 teams on the clock screwed up that draft just as bad.

 

I just don't like that argument anymore. Not that you're wrong, but we should all expect to be the team with the GM that doesn't screw it up. Not one of the teams that did.

[raw]

Pace gets killed because he picked a lesser QB, but the first 10 teams on the clock screwed up that draft just as bad.

 

I just don't like that argument anymore. Not that you're wrong, but we should all expect to be the team with the GM that doesn't screw it up. Not one of the teams that did.

 

Yeah, I wasn't trying to excuse Pace. He definitely screwed up as well and it's a fireable offense type of pick. Just saying that he gets the brunt of the media hate for picking Trubisky over the other two.

[WrigleyField 22]

Bahaha:

I so badly want to see them have to throw whatever tryout QB off the street out there on Sunday if Foles got hurt.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Very tempting to grab the TEN DEF for my fantasy team this weekend. I can see 5-6 sacks and at least a couple takeaways.

 

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[Soul]

Very tempting to grab the TEN DEF for my fantasy team this weekend. I can see 5-6 sacks and at least a couple takeaways.

 

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You should have already done it!

[wekse]

Very tempting to grab the TEN DEF for my fantasy team this weekend. I can see 5-6 sacks and at least a couple takeaways.

 

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The Titans D only has 7 sacks on the season.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

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Bears social media team with an easy opportunity to skewer Thom as there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos that will be a home run and so that’ll make it a 4-0 ball game.

[SouthSideRyan]

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Bears social media team with an easy opportunity to skewer Thom as there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos that will be a home run and so that’ll make it a 4-0 ball game.

 

Most fun I've had at a Bears game and least fun I've had in Nashville. Do not go to Nashville when a Chicago team is playing there.

[raw]

Looks like Jadeveon Clowney is a longshot to play this Sunday. Hasn't practiced all week (including today). CB Adoree Jackson, slot WR Adam Humphries, and punter Brett Kern are out for the Titans.

[wekse]

Most fun I've had at a Bears game and least fun I've had in Nashville. Do not go to Nashville when a Chicago team is playing there.

 

Was a wild ass weekend here for that.

[UMFan83]

Wow. He flew over on the team plane too

 

[raw]

Wow. He flew over on the team plane too

 

 

Deon Bush is in the same boat as well. This is a damn mess. But hey, the games must go on!