Chicago Bears offseason

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea Hurts has a wide window, I think, because teams have to on some level commit to building an offense around him. He could go late first, or he drop to day 3.

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I'm actually not so convinced Hurts lasts so long, late 3rd or 4th. He's pretty handily the next QB up after the first three off his draft season, Senior Bowl, and combine combo. His ceiling seems like the second to maybe the Chargers or Pats..The interesting enough guys around in the 3-4 window might be Fromm still, Bryce Perkins, and maybe Eason if the Bears want to go the one big year route again

 

Fromm I'd like to see fall to the Jets in the 5th or 6th just in case, so feel free to skip on him

 

I wasn't saying Hurts would go 3rd or 4th. I was saying he should, but will go in the 2nd, when I wouldn't be comfortable taking him for the Bears (unless it's a trade down). Also, Jordan Love is the next QB after the top 3. And as far as I'm concerned, the Jets can have Fromm. Not a fan of him or Eason honestly.

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Nice. Makes me wonder if it makes him even more likely to trade away a 2021 draft pick to get a 3 or 4 this year. I almost expect it to happen

For whatever Paces downfalls I do think he is going to read the draft as it comes to him and react. If he falls in love with a guy he certainly might. But he also has trade down 3 times from the 2nd round (two in one year).

 

So maybe he trades down from 43 and picks up a late third, but also trades up from the 5th to the late 4th by dangling a pick next year (thinking that may be the range he jumps at a QB if he isn't targreting in with 43 or 50.)

 

I'm not one to try to create a mock draft because I don't follow college football enough to know the prospects. I do have some fun with trying to understand markets and how teams can value picks. An article from last year talks about a newer trade value chart made to represent current rookie deals/CBA impacts, etc.

 

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/10/bill-belichick-every-team-uses-the-same-draft-chart/

 

So I played with this calculator with the Bears picks and found a few trades to try to see what Pace could do to pick up some extra picks

 

Trade down w/Broncos, #43 for #46, 178, 181

 

Trade down w/Ravens, #46, 226 for #60, 92

 

Trade down w/Seahawks #50, 163 for #64, 101, 144

 

Trade down w/Patriots #92, 233 for #98, 172

 

Bears picks would be rd 2,2,3,3,4,5,5,6,6,6

60

64

98

101

144

172

178

181

196

200

 

I realize that the other team has to want the trade to happen and all that. And I just kinda looked at teams with lots of picks to move around with, so not a prediction in any way, but more of an example of what I hope to see happen.

 

I like the idea of trading down from 43 and keeping 50. I feel like the Bears really need at least 1 more pick in the top 120. Ideally, the Bears would do this without trading picks from future years.

 

The Ravens are the ideal team to trade down with because they have multiple picks in all the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds. They also have a pretty well stacked team and not a ton of need for that many early draft picks.

 

I think the Bears HAVE to get an offensive lineman and an offensive playmaker early. Would be nice to add a young premium talent on D with an extra top 100 pick. But an extra pick could also allow for them to draft a luxury like a developmental QB.

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I wasn't saying Hurts would go 3rd or 4th. I was saying he should, but will go in the 2nd, when I wouldn't be comfortable taking him for the Bears (unless it's a trade down). Also, Jordan Love is the next QB after the top 3. And as far as I'm concerned, the Jets can have Fromm. Not a fan of him or Eason honestly.

 

What's Jordan Love got on Hurts besides being taller? Hurts is way more plug and play with both more and higher quality experience, was more prodicutive, answered questions about his size and physicality. Granted there's system quesions but it's the same system the past two #1 overall picks came from

 

Love has the (much) better arm. And while both are able to make plays off-schedule, Love has the ability to create with his arm and legs, while Hurts mostly adds only legs as a weapon when the pocket breaks down.

[Named After Maddux]

I am also really interested in Hurts if the Bears were able to trade down and pick up a 3rd and 4th. I'm not really very experienced with evaluating football players, but I remember one of the knocks on Hurts is he's a "general accuracy" passer rather than "pinpoint accuracy". I do still like him as a solid developmental guy behind Foles and Mitch this year. If he gets a full redshirt year in an NFL system, I'd be very interested in seeing what he could do in 2021.

 

I ran a mock on The Draft Network today involving trades. The simulator definitely does not give much leeway in the trade evaluation so even though the trade charts say it's a fair deal the other team may not "accept" it.

 

Ultimately I only did five rounds, but traded down three times:

Chi #43, #163 to BAL #55, #92

Chi #55 to SEA #64, #133

CHI #92, #200 to PIT #102, #135

Spoilers contain a TDN analyst's scouting report summary. It's free content, just spoilered for size.

 

 

50. Chicago Bears

Josh Jones

OT, Houston

 

Josh Jones is a high ceiling, low floor offensive tackle prospect who is an OL coach's dream. With his natural skills, Jones showcases dominant physical flashes on the field and possesses the athletic ability to be a dominant pass blocker and weapon in the run game. But Jones' skills need significant polish from the ground up — he's still raw with his pass sets and footwork and can be too reactive in live action to over-set or over-pursue. Ideally he can be weaned into a starting role in the NFL.

 

 

64. Chicago Bears

Chase Claypool

WR, Notre Dame

 

Chase Claypool projects as a big slot or traditional X-receiver at the NFL level. Claypool has ample catch radius and effective physicality — he's able to claim space with aggressiveness and hand fighting in order to create separation. I'm not sold on his vertical push to create soft coverage on underneath routes but this is a big body who is fearless over the middle of the field and will bring ample toughness as a blocker in the slot or on the boundary. A potential starter but limited upside.

 

 

102. Chicago Bears

Alohi Gilman

S, Notre Dame

 

Alohi Gilman is a promising NFL prospect who will thrive in a defense that does what Notre Dame was able to do with him — move him around. Gilman won't bring a lot of value in half field or single high, but he's an absolute stalwart in run defense, brings potential as a nickel linebacker in sub-packages and can fill a role in the early downs as a stereotypical strong safety. Look for Gilman to make an impact quickly, but only if teams use his tackling and versatility as a weapon.

 

 

133.Chicago Bears

Ben Bredeson

IOL, Michigan

 

Ben Bredeson projects as a starting guard at the NFL level. There appears to be enough versatility to project Bredeson into a number of concepts and systems, although his functional power and ability to reset the LOS should have him coveted highest on boards that implement primarily gap/power rushing concepts. Bredeson, if able to work on getting his initial hand strikes to stick on defenders with more consistency, would be a quality starter and asset up front.

 

 

135. Chicago Bears

Alton Robinson

EDGE, Syracuse

 

Alton Robinson projects as a potential pass rusher in a Wide-9 style defensive system, where his first step and penetration skills can be most effectively implemented into a defensive game plan. Robinson has potential as a raw speed rusher, but he's too inconsistent in the every down reps he's faced with to be relied upon to make the leap to the NFL and be asked to serve as an early starter. Robinson has high upside, but his polish and technique needs notable growth.

 

 

I really should have targeted CB/S earlier, but Josh Jones was hard to pass up. He could sit behind Leno/Massie for a year and step right in next year as a high ceiling OT. I'm very happy with getting Bredeson and Robinson in the 4th. No QB, but James Morgan would have been available at the start of the 6th round.

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Love has the (much) better arm. And while both are able to make plays off-schedule, Love has the ability to create with his arm and legs, while Hurts mostly adds only legs as a weapon when the pocket breaks down.

 

Love is an interesting prospect as a multiyear starter who passed some basics on completion%, led Utah State to a top 25 offense in 2018, and has good dims and tools but I'm having trouble getting on the wagon before like the 5th round. He plays slow, has a slow release, performance waned in 2019 while Hurts broke out, his physical tools don't really separate him at that position because it's QB and Hurts has plenty, and then is just outclassed in intangibles and experience...The consensus knock on Hurts seems to be passing outside of the pocket, but he's also by far the most prolific rusher of the QB prospects which mitigates some of that I would think

 

One thing to note with Love is that he lost his top 4 WRs from 2018 to 2019, his TE was Dax Raymond who spent the year on the Bears practice squad, and his RB was Darwin Thompson who won the Superbowl with the Chiefs. Eight of his 21 INTs the last 2 years came in 3 games against power 5 teams. While it does suck he didn't shine in big matchups, there was a clear talent disparity between his team and say, the LSU team he played this past season.

 

I'm biased though, because I'm a big fan of his. His improvisation looks a lot like Mahomes. He has a long way to go in the pocket to get to that level, but he's a classic guy that can sit for a year, learn, and then can come in and play in an offense that emphasizes RPOs and read options and getting the ball out quickly.

[Old Style]

Tua BOMBED the Wonderlic. Jalen Hurts wasn’t much better.

 

https://dailysnark.com/tua-tagovailoa-scores-abysmally-low-grade-on-wonderlic-intelligence-test-ahead-of-draft/

[Brian]

Burton cut

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Bears cut Trey Burton and signed Jason Spriggs from the Packers and the mighty Indiana University.

 

Burton is designated as a June 1 cut, which means his dead cap is spread over 2 seasons. Only a 4Mil dead hit this year, which will go down if another team signs him by the amount that he signs for, though I'd imagine he's probably really close to looking at retirement. Hasn't been healthy in over a year from a groin surgery. Saves almost 2.5Mil.

[BigbadB]

Bears cut Trey Burton and signed Jason Spriggs from the Packers and the mighty Indiana University.

 

Burton is designated as a June 1 cut, which means his dead cap is spread over 2 seasons. Only a 4Mil dead hit this year, which will go down if another team signs him by the amount that he signs for, though I'd imagine he's probably really close to looking at retirement. Hasn't been healthy in over a year from a groin surgery. Saves almost 2.5Mil.

 

Oh, that's nice they can spread out that dead cap money. It's going to be interesting to see how they draft next week.

[WrigleyField 22]

Bears cut Trey Burton and signed Jason Spriggs from the Packers and the mighty Indiana University.

 

Burton is designated as a June 1 cut, which means his dead cap is spread over 2 seasons. Only a 4Mil dead hit this year, which will go down if another team signs him by the amount that he signs for, though I'd imagine he's probably really close to looking at retirement. Hasn't been healthy in over a year from a groin surgery. Saves almost 2.5Mil.

 

Oh, that's nice they can spread out that dead cap money. It's going to be interesting to see how they draft next week.

I don't think spreading the hit is that impactful. I doubt they plan to spend that extra money. But all things equal, better to take the extra cushion now and roll it forward.

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Trey Burton signed by the Colts

[Splendid Splinter]

Sounds like Burton got the vet min which means Bears gain an extra ~800k in cap space.

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My best available for the Chicago Bears today:

 

1. Grant Delpit, S, LSU

2. Josh Jones, OT, Houston

3. Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor

4. Xavier McKinney, S, Alabama

5. Trevon Diggs, CB, Alabama

6. Antoine Winfield Jr, S, Minnesota

7. Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU

8. Yetur Gross-Matos, Edge, Penn State

9. Lucas Niang, OT, TCU

10. AJ Epeneza, Edge, Iowa

 

 

Ideally, the Bears can get two of these guys at 43 and 50. If McKinney comes off the board, watch for Pace to potentially trade up for Delpit. Jones is another possible trade up target, IMO. Be nice to get one of the top 3, and then trade back with 50 and get a guy in the next tier along with another pick either late tonight or early tomorrow. Or else, we got a long wait between picks. Be much easier waiting if the Bears pick up one of the top 3 and another of the 4-10.

[WrigleyField 22]

My best available for the Chicago Bears today:

 

1. Grant Delpit, S, LSU

2. Josh Jones, OT, Houston

3. Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor

4. Xavier McKinney, S, Alabama

5. Trevon Diggs, CB, Alabama

6. Antoine Winfield Jr, S, Minnesota

7. Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU

8. Yetur Gross-Matos, Edge, Penn State

9. Lucas Niang, OT, TCU

10. AJ Epeneza, Edge, Iowa

 

 

Ideally, the Bears can get two of these guys at 43 and 50. If McKinney comes off the board, watch for Pace to potentially trade up for Delpit. Jones is another possible trade up target, IMO. Be nice to get one of the top 3, and then trade back with 50 and get a guy in the next tier along with another pick either late tonight or early tomorrow. Or else, we got a long wait between picks. Be much easier waiting if the Bears pick up one of the top 3 and another of the 4-10.

Another thing to consider is Paces affinity for trading future picks. He could do that today.

 

Trading next year's picks is kind of interesting though. I feel pretty confident that the major conferences will have a season in some form, but I could see a lot of seasons cancelled in the sub-Power 5 conferences. And even among the power 5 you could see stretched of seasons cancelled in response to local outbreaks. So that probably makes the traditional valuation of trading future picks tough (in addition to unknowns about the combine/draft process next spring).

[BigbadB]

My best available for the Chicago Bears today:

 

1. Grant Delpit, S, LSU

2. Josh Jones, OT, Houston

3. Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor

4. Xavier McKinney, S, Alabama

5. Trevon Diggs, CB, Alabama

6. Antoine Winfield Jr, S, Minnesota

7. Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU

8. Yetur Gross-Matos, Edge, Penn State

9. Lucas Niang, OT, TCU

10. AJ Epeneza, Edge, Iowa

 

 

Ideally, the Bears can get two of these guys at 43 and 50. If McKinney comes off the board, watch for Pace to potentially trade up for Delpit. Jones is another possible trade up target, IMO. Be nice to get one of the top 3, and then trade back with 50 and get a guy in the next tier along with another pick either late tonight or early tomorrow. Or else, we got a long wait between picks. Be much easier waiting if the Bears pick up one of the top 3 and another of the 4-10.

Another thing to consider is Paces affinity for trading future picks. He could do that today.

 

Trading next year's picks is kind of interesting though. I feel pretty confident that the major conferences will have a season in some form, but I could see a lot of seasons cancelled in the sub-Power 5 conferences. And even among the power 5 you could see stretched of seasons cancelled in response to local outbreaks. So that probably makes the traditional valuation of trading future picks tough (in addition to unknowns about the combine/draft process next spring).

 

Given the strength of the safety position from the best availables, I'm going to assume the Bears get one of those guys. Seems like there are 4 rock solid S's to pick from at 43 (Chinn being the only one not listed on Raw's top 10). Although I know it's time to restock the OT position, I kinda don't see them doing that this year since whoever they draft won't likely see the field this year. They don't have the luxury of stockpiling future talent this year given the lack of quality picks. I'll be interested to see if they pass on Kmet if he's available with their 2nd pick.

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My best available for the Chicago Bears today:

 

1. Grant Delpit, S, LSU

2. Josh Jones, OT, Houston

3. Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor

4. Xavier McKinney, S, Alabama

5. Trevon Diggs, CB, Alabama

6. Antoine Winfield Jr, S, Minnesota

7. Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU

8. Yetur Gross-Matos, Edge, Penn State

9. Lucas Niang, OT, TCU

10. AJ Epeneza, Edge, Iowa

 

 

Ideally, the Bears can get two of these guys at 43 and 50. If McKinney comes off the board, watch for Pace to potentially trade up for Delpit. Jones is another possible trade up target, IMO. Be nice to get one of the top 3, and then trade back with 50 and get a guy in the next tier along with another pick either late tonight or early tomorrow. Or else, we got a long wait between picks. Be much easier waiting if the Bears pick up one of the top 3 and another of the 4-10.

Another thing to consider is Paces affinity for trading future picks. He could do that today.

 

Trading next year's picks is kind of interesting though. I feel pretty confident that the major conferences will have a season in some form, but I could see a lot of seasons cancelled in the sub-Power 5 conferences. And even among the power 5 you could see stretched of seasons cancelled in response to local outbreaks. So that probably makes the traditional valuation of trading future picks tough (in addition to unknowns about the combine/draft process next spring).

 

Given the strength of the safety position from the best availables, I'm going to assume the Bears get one of those guys. Seems like there are 4 rock solid S's to pick from at 43 (Chinn being the only one not listed on Raw's top 10). Although I know it's time to restock the OT position, I kinda don't see them doing that this year since whoever they draft won't likely see the field this year. They don't have the luxury of stockpiling future talent this year given the lack of quality picks. I'll be interested to see if they pass on Kmet if he's available with their 2nd pick.

 

Chinn and Ezra Cleveland would be my next two. I think they'll go defensive back first and then heavy offense the next 3 picks. Hopefully they can trade back unless one of those top offensive guys are there. I don't really want Kmet at 50. But could see that.

 

Could really use a pick before 164 for whatever position they don't get between OL and O playmaker at 50. So a future pick trade could be coming today or tomorrow.

 

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[minnesotacubsfan]

Another thing to consider is Paces affinity for trading future picks. He could do that today.

 

Trading next year's picks is kind of interesting though. I feel pretty confident that the major conferences will have a season in some form, but I could see a lot of seasons cancelled in the sub-Power 5 conferences. And even among the power 5 you could see stretched of seasons cancelled in response to local outbreaks. So that probably makes the traditional valuation of trading future picks tough (in addition to unknowns about the combine/draft process next spring).

 

Given the strength of the safety position from the best availables, I'm going to assume the Bears get one of those guys. Seems like there are 4 rock solid S's to pick from at 43 (Chinn being the only one not listed on Raw's top 10). Although I know it's time to restock the OT position, I kinda don't see them doing that this year since whoever they draft won't likely see the field this year. They don't have the luxury of stockpiling future talent this year given the lack of quality picks. I'll be interested to see if they pass on Kmet if he's available with their 2nd pick.

 

Chinn and Ezra Cleveland would be my next two. I think they'll go defensive back first and then heavy offense the next 3 picks. Hopefully they can trade back unless one of those top offensive guys are there. I don't really want Kmet at 50. But could see that.

 

Could really use a pick before 164 for whatever position they don't get between OL and O playmaker at 50. So a future pick trade could be coming today or tomorrow.

 

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if Kmet is there at 43, it would be hard to pass on him especially with this years safety depth. Kmet, Winfield would be very good draft, imo

[WrigleyField 22]

On the other hand, the Bears could pick Jalen Hurts and potentially subject us to a decade of bad "Love Hurts" puns twice every season.

[jersey cubs fan]

On the other hand, the Bears could pick Jalen Hurts and potentially subject us to a decade of bad "Love Hurts" puns twice every season.

yeah yeah

[minnesotacubsfan]

On the other hand, the Bears could pick Jalen Hurts and potentially subject us to a decade of bad "Love Hurts" puns twice every season.

Delicious

[Splendid Splinter]

I'm liking how it's shaping up for the Bears at 43.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm liking how it's shaping up for the Bears at 43.

 

 

Me 2

[The Other One]

Kmet.

 

Meh....

[minnesotacubsfan]

Kmet/Winfield is in play