Cubs Offseason Rumors

[Banedon]

We need something to happen so we can stop talking about trading Baez. I don't like that conversation.

[Cubswin11]

A controllable starter who hasn’t had great succes but good stuff like Lamet and a top ~50 prospect or 2 for Baez seems about like where I’d value him. Personally.

 

Yeah I couldn't tell if he meant on top of the controllable SP or he just meant a top prospect (or 2 top 50) could also get it done instead of the SP.

Yeah I wasn’t sure either but think if it’s an either/or with those that’s a little light, imo. He’s worth more than a Lamet or just top 50 prospect or 2 (unless we’re talking top ~10, which I don’t think he’s worth and it’s more likely you could get a top 25-75 guy(s) for him).

Edited January 4, 2018 by Cubswin11

[Bertz]

Here's the quote from the article. Brett read it wrong.

 

*The Padres balked at the Cubs’ asking price for infielder Javier Baez at the winter meetings, moving on to other pursuits, sources say. The Cubs likely would have wanted a controllable starter such as Luis Perdomo or Dinelson Lamet for Baez, who would have solved the Padres’ need for a long-term shortstop (though a top prospect such as Luis Urias or Fernando Tatis Jr. might prove the answer).

 

This is saying that maybe Tatis or Urias (top 50 prospects) could be the Padres' long term answer at SS, not part of the deal with us.

[Banedon]

 

Darvish and Yelich please and thank you.

[Cubswin11]

horsefeathers Cain, get Yelich regardless of the FA pitcher route

[Cubswin11]

Cain make no sense to me (regardless of an OF being traded or if they just don’t trust someone or the unit as a whole). I’d rather have some combo of Gomez, Dyson, Jay, Jackson or Maybin for a fraction of the cost.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Both Cobb + Cain and Darvish/Arrieta + Yelich put you reallll close to the luxury tax, and make 2019 much more complicated to pursue a high end FA(need to shed significant salary or be ready to go into the draft pick-punishing penalty). I'll believe it when I see it, as much as Darvish + Yelich would be incredible for 2018.

[Tryptamine]

 

Darvish and Yelich please and thank you.

 

Yelich

Harper

Bryant

Rizzo

Schwarber

Contreras

Baez

Russell

 

Darvish,Lester,Quintana,Hendricks,Chatwood

 

over/under 108 wins?

[Tryptamine]

Both Cobb + Cain and Darvish/Arrieta + Yelich put you reallll close to the luxury tax, and make 2019 much more complicated to pursue a high end FA(need to shed significant salary or be ready to go into the draft pick-punishing penalty). I'll believe it when I see it, as much as Darvish + Yelich would be incredible for 2018.

 

Sadly, short of someone eating a significant portion of Heyward's contract it's probably not possible.

[Cubswin11]

 

Darvish and Yelich please and thank you.

 

Yelich

Harper

Bryant

Rizzo

Schwarber

Contreras

Baez

Russell

 

Darvish,Lester,Quintana,Hendricks,Chatwood

 

over/under 108 wins?

Minimum 8-peat

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Both Cobb + Cain and Darvish/Arrieta + Yelich put you reallll close to the luxury tax, and make 2019 much more complicated to pursue a high end FA(need to shed significant salary or be ready to go into the draft pick-punishing penalty). I'll believe it when I see it, as much as Darvish + Yelich would be incredible for 2018.

 

Sadly, short of someone eating a significant portion of Heyward's contract it's probably not possible.

 

You can probably bribe someone with a prospect to take Zobrist's contract and make it a bit easier, but you also need to thread the needle on the pitching side too. All of the SP need to look like rotation guys for 2019, none of the important and/or high dollar relievers can blow up, and having someone internally(Maples? Mills? Mekkes?) look capable of a steady bullpen role would help too.

[Gilby]

If you can lock in Darvish+Yelich right now, I say just do it even if it does take you out of the Harper sweepstakes (which it might not). With the amount of effort the Nats, Yankees, and Dodgers will put into Bryce, I'm fine not taking his free agency into account when going after talents like Darvish and Yelich who can play here this season.

[imb]

hmmm darvish and yelich or cain and arrieta, tough call tough call, what to do what toooo dooo

[minnesotacubsfan]

hmmm darvish and yelich or cain and arrieta, tough call tough call, what to do what toooo dooo

 

 

Could it be darvish and cain or arrieta and yelich or does that destroy life as we know it

[David]

hmmm darvish and yelich or cain and arrieta, tough call tough call, what to do what toooo dooo

 

it was darvish or arrieta and yelich vs. cobb and cain

[imb]

hmmm darvish and yelich or cain and arrieta, tough call tough call, what to do what toooo dooo

 

it was darvish or arrieta and yelich vs. cobb and cain

 

that's what i meant. what a tough decision. two good players or two less good players. real sophie's choice.

[Regular Show]

We need something to happen so we can stop talking about trading Baez. I don't like that conversation.

 

Yeah. I really don't want Baez to be traded even though you can make a good case for it, especially if it's really lopsided in the Cubs' favor.

 

Maybe wait a year and then re-evaluate which of Baez, Russell or Happ is the best candidate to move in a trade.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

hmmm darvish and yelich or cain and arrieta, tough call tough call, what to do what toooo dooo

 

it was darvish or arrieta and yelich vs. cobb and cain

 

that's what i meant. what a tough decision. two good players or two less good players. real sophie's choice.

 

Of course, we also have to take into account that we'd have to perhaps give up multiple other less good players to get Yelich. So it might be between two good players or four less good players. Not sure how the WAR looks on that one yet, depending on who the less good players are.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Lorenzo Cain might not be as exciting as Christian Yelich, but can you imagine a defensive OF of Almora-Cain-Heyward?

[jehr]

Lorenzo Cain might not be as exciting as Christian Yelich, but can you imagine a defensive OF of Almora-Cain-Heyward?

I still wouldn't do it... But putting that outfield behind an IF of Bryzzo, Javy and Addy would have to be one of the all time great defensive alignments.

[Cubswin11]

The part I don’t get about the rumor that it could be Cobb and Cain is what is Almora/Happ traded for then? A RP? A SP or 2 that’s like 2-4 years away (horsefeathers that, TINSTAAPP).

[KingCubsFan]

The part I don’t get about the rumor that it could be Cobb and Cain is what is Almora/Happ traded for then? A RP? A SP or 2 that’s like 2-4 years away (horsefeathers that, TINSTAAPP).

Why would they have to be traded? Almora continues to crush lefties and Happ takes on the Zobrist role.

[Sammy Sofa]

Lorenzo Cain might not be as exciting as Christian Yelich, but can you imagine a defensive OF of Almora-Cain-Heyward?

 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The part I don’t get about the rumor that it could be Cobb and Cain is what is Almora/Happ traded for then? A RP? A SP or 2 that’s like 2-4 years away (horsefeathers that, TINSTAAPP).

Why would they have to be traded? Almora continues to crush lefties and Happ takes on the Zobrist role.

 

Spending tens of millions on Cain when you haven't traded any of the position players seems like a real inefficient use of the money. I'd rather have Darvish + nothing than Cobb + Cain.

[UMFan83]

Apparently this was said during Sat morning baseball show on score:

 

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