Game 2: bears at bucs, noon on fox

[Guest]

Freeman went to IR.

 

Ouch. Remind me of how long the new IR is, 8 weeks? Or is this long term IR?

 

Freeman is really good for what he does, but the difference between him and Kwiatkowski, in a 3-4, is minimal.

[Guest]

 

Any way we can throw a late round pick and nab him? Probably not.

 

Isn't he a free agent? Even if he's not he ain't playing for the Browns.

[raw]

Freeman went to IR.

 

Ouch. Remind me of how long the new IR is, 8 weeks? Or is this long term IR?

He can come back after 8 weeks.

 

If he has a torn pec (likely as that's the only long-term injury I've heard of with a pec muscle), then it's a 3-4 month thing. Chance he could come back in December, but guessing he's done for the year. Hope he's not done as a Bear. 1 more year on his deal, but if Kwiatkoski is as good as I expect and Trevathan steps up and plays like the guy the Bears thought they were signing.....Freeman becomes an expensive bench player.

[Brian707]

I don't remember what its like to have a healthy team.

 

 

Probably this fluke of a team

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[LeonDurham]

 

Any way we can throw a late round pick and nab him? Probably not.

 

 

Love the talent.

 

Sounds like a Jerry Jones special, though.

[Banedon]

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[jersey cubs fan]

 

Any way we can throw a late round pick and nab him? Probably not.

 

 

Love the talent.

 

Sounds like a Jerry Jones special, though.

you talking about gordon? Did he beat up a woman? I thought all he did was smoke pot. That is in no way shape or form to the type of dirtball you need to be to qualify as a jerry jones special.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

beating women is much more favorable than smoking pot

 

there's your new slogan, Roger. you're welcome

[David]

yeah, he's not a dirtbag. just an idiot. but the rule is an idiot too.

 

i mean weed is cool and all but i think it's fair to call risking/losing possible generational wealth over it enough to qualify as an idiot.

[Soul]

Preferably the entire coach/GM regime is canned before Mitch sees the field. Viva la Glennon.

[David]

Preferably the entire coach/GM regime is canned before Mitch sees the field. Viva la Glennon.

pace is here for the long haul baby and that's a good thing (i'm officially all in on the ryan pace kool aid)

 

preferably trubisky gets in this year and the bears are a better team for it both this year and going forward.

 

if trubisky helps them win some games along with that defense and run game and that saves fox's job, great. if not and fox gets canned, that's fine with me too. i don't like fox but i also don't hate him enough to root for the bears to lose if there's any chance of them improving.

Edited September 13, 2017 by David

[David]

didn't see it mentioned, btw, but jeff dickerson from espn1000, normally your typical conservative reporting team beat guy (who was annoyingly positive on glennon's debut in his game coverage), said on monday to expect that trubisky will be coming sooner than later. said something like "lots of people at halas hall think trubisky gives them the best chance to win" from FO to coaching staff (why he wouldn't be starting already then is beyond me but whatever).

[We Got The Whole 9]

didn't see it mentioned, btw, but jeff dickerson from espn1000, normally your typical conservative reporting team beat guy, said on monday to expect that trubisky will be coming sooner than later. said something like "lots of people at halas hall think trubisky gives them the best chance to win" from FO to coaching staff (why he wouldn't be starting already then is beyond me but whatever).

 

Sunday's game - which we really should have won - affirmed many people's beliefs that the team is good now and can probably hang with just about any team. The playbook is clearly mitigated due to Glennon's athleticism and that has to be frustrating for everybody - coaches, players, execs, etc. There's a very visible ceiling for the offense and the receivers' lack of separation would be a lot less noticeable with a QB who is able to extend plays and create passing lanes with mobility and improvisation This isn't even scratching the surface, as there is a world of difference in their release and ball placement, which are hugely important factors in a QBs ability, and just open up so much more offensive potential for the team.

 

That said Pace really put his stamp on Glennon and paid a pretty penny to have him on the team and it's just difficult to see them actually abandon that experiment so quickly. Unless he comes out and is just an unbridled disaster then I think he's gonna get several starts to show his stuff.

 

If he keeps taking hits like he did Sunday he won't last long anyway. He's just helpless against a blitz. He needs to improve a lot on his pre-snap reads, identify the hot route and get rid of the damn ball or he's gonna keep getting destroyed. Those hits hurt to watch.

[jersey cubs fan]

didn't see it mentioned, btw, but jeff dickerson from espn1000, normally your typical conservative reporting team beat guy, said on monday to expect that trubisky will be coming sooner than later. said something like "lots of people at halas hall think trubisky gives them the best chance to win" from FO to coaching staff (why he wouldn't be starting already then is beyond me but whatever).

 

Sunday's game - which we really should have won - affirmed many people's beliefs that the team is good now and can probably hang with just about any team. The playbook is clearly mitigated due to Glennon's athleticism and that has to be frustrating for everybody - coaches, players, execs, etc. There's a very visible ceiling for the offense and the receivers' lack of separation would be a lot less noticeable with a QB who is able to extend plays and create passing lanes with mobility and improvisation This isn't even scratching the surface, as there is a world of difference in their release and ball placement, which are hugely important factors in a QBs ability, and just open up so much more offensive potential for the team.

 

That said Pace really put his stamp on Glennon and paid a pretty penny to have him on the team and it's just difficult to see them actually abandon that experiment so quickly. Unless he comes out and is just an unbridled disaster then I think he's gonna get several starts to show his stuff.

 

I don't see how Pace "put his stamp" on Glennon. He signed the guy to a big short-term contract then went out and drafted a QB 2nd overall. That's pretty much telling the guy you've got a couple weeks to do the job before we take it away.

 

Also, how is it beyond you David that he isn't starting already despite some people at Halas Hall (there's a lot of people at Halas Hall) thinking he gives them the best chance now? It's a pretty simply concept.

[David]

 

Also, how is it beyond you David that he isn't starting already despite some people at Halas Hall (there's a lot of people at Halas Hall) thinking he gives them the best chance now? It's a pretty simply concept.

 

the wording made it sound like fox and pace already think he gives them the best chance to win. he's also the #2, which means he could go in at any moment...which would lead me to believe that they feel that playing now wouldn't harm his development. i don't think they'd risk having him come into a game if they thought it would, considering how conservative they're being.

 

so...if playing now isn't going to harm his development and the HC and FO think he's their best option, i don't see a significant downside to playing him.

 

as for me, personally, i think his skill set is such that he isn't going to have massive rookie struggles like a jared goff or whatever and won't be "ruined" if he makes some mistakes.

[Guest]

My theory is that they want to get as much film as possible on their opponents, serve it up to Mitch and see if he can digest it quickly before they send him out there.

[raw]

Urlacher is for sure a Hall of Famer. But I don't think he gets in this time because of Ray Lewis. Don't typically see 2 at the same position going in, especially in the first year. And I think the committee will see it as making Lewis and Urlacher seem like equals as players, which they are not.

[raw]

Also, about the Trubisky coming in sooner rather than later......I think with another performance full of missed opportunities and conservative play from Glennon, I think you could see the move made vs. Pittsburgh. They aren't going to throw him in there on a short week vs. GB in Week 4. And if you wait until after 4, you could be conceeding an 0-4 start and at that point, you're not putting Trubisky into the best situation if you think he gives you the best chance to win.

 

Speaking of missed opportunities.....the all-22 shows that the downfield throws were there for Glennon. He gave up on plays too quickly or simply was too terrible in the pocket to do anything about it.

 

This particular play is inexcusable for an NFL starter.

 

 

That's Kevin White in the circle, breaking open. That 2nd pic is Leno doing a good enough job running his guy past the QB so he can step up and fire the ball. It's also Glennon not stepping up in a huge 7-blocker pocket vs. a 5-man rush where 2 of the guys aren't even trying. In the 1st pic, you can see the checkdown wide open, which is where Glennon goes. Pass falls incomplete because he throws it with his own OL in his face.

 

 

White again wide open, literally jumping up and down for the ball.

 

 

Falcons have 4 defenders sitting at 8 yards past the line of scrimmage. Daring Glennon to throw deep. Glennon did not. 34 of his 40 passes were thrown less than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. He actually completed 5 of 6 of those, with the only incompletion being his best throw of the day to Cohen in the end zone (which I maintain he should have caught, as I think it hit him in the face before being knocked away by the defender). But only 1 of those 6 "deep" attempts came before the Bears got down in the game 20-10.

 

Maybe it's the playcalling holding him back with all the mistakes he made in the first couple preseason games. But it's clear at least a handful of plays were there beyond 10 yards, and he refused to take them or didn't see them. Either scenario is an indictment against Glennon starting games for this team.

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Also, about the Trubisky coming in sooner rather than later......I think with another performance full of missed opportunities and conservative play from Glennon, I think you could see the move made vs. Pittsburgh. They aren't going to throw him in there on a short week vs. GB in Week 4. And if you wait until after 4, you could be conceeding an 0-4 start and at that point, you're not putting Trubisky into the best situation if you think he gives you the best chance to win.

 

Speaking of missed opportunities.....the all-22 shows that the downfield throws were there for Glennon. He gave up on plays too quickly or simply was too terrible in the pocket to do anything about it.

 

This particular play is inexcusable for an NFL starter.

 

 

That's Kevin White in the circle, breaking open. That 2nd pic is Leno doing a good enough job running his guy past the QB so he can step up and fire the ball. It's also Glennon not stepping up in a huge 7-blocker pocket vs. a 5-man rush where 2 of the guys aren't even trying. In the 1st pic, you can see the checkdown wide open, which is where Glennon goes. Pass falls incomplete because he throws it with his own OL in his face.

 

 

White again wide open, literally jumping up and down for the ball.

 

 

Falcons have 4 defenders sitting at 8 yards past the line of scrimmage. Daring Glennon to throw deep. Glennon did not. 34 of his 40 passes were thrown less than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. He actually completed 5 of 6 of those, with the only incompletion being his best throw of the day to Cohen in the end zone (which I maintain he should have caught, as I think it hit him in the face before being knocked away by the defender). But only 1 of those 6 "deep" attempts came before the Bears got down in the game 20-10.

 

Maybe it's the playcalling holding him back with all the mistakes he made in the first couple preseason games. But it's clear at least a handful of plays were there beyond 10 yards, and he refused to take them or didn't see them. Either scenario is an indictment against Glennon starting games for this team.

Yeesh

[Butterscup]

so just think, if Glennon completes any of those deep balls, the entire game changes. Kevin White probably doesn't get hurt. Mike Glennon killed Kevin White.

[mul21]

Raw, that ball got tipped before it ever got to Cohen. It would have been a ridiculous catch had he made it. The rest of that post is pretty sad though.

[raw]

so just think, if Glennon completes any of those deep balls, the entire game changes. Kevin White probably doesn't get hurt. Mike Glennon killed Kevin White.

 

On the play White got hurt. Glennon was extremely late with the ball.

 

 

White at the 33. Closest defender at the 16 yard line. The pass to White was completed for a 0 yard gain. Leno allowed his guy up the field, but again was between the QB and the defender. Glennon stepped up at the last minute (about 1.5 seconds too late) and the defense was able to converge as he climbed the pocket.

[BigbadB]

So one pass beyond 10 yards before Atlanta went into prevent defense. Unbelievable.

[Chocolate Milk]

I'm not surprised they may have a quick hook on Glennon. If they can play solid D and run the ball, that is something in the NFL. It was painfully obvious that the weak link last week was Glennon. 22 net yards passing through 3 quarters and plays left all over the field (as raw pointed out). I don't think they are going to watch a lot of other games like last Sunday and continue to throw Glennon out there for some uncertain development benefit that Trubisky gets from sitting on the bench and watch Glennon check down on every pass.

[biittner77]

Urlacher is for sure a Hall of Famer. But I don't think he gets in this time because of Ray Lewis. Don't typically see 2 at the same position going in, especially in the first year. And I think the committee will see it as making Lewis and Urlacher seem like equals as players, which they are not.

 

What consideration will Devin Hester get for the HOF? Outside of Bears fans Hester is probably more well known. Didn't someone (Vai Sakahama?) already break the return man barrier for HOF consideration?