Bears offseason

[KingCubsFan]

I would have preferred Taylor, but I'll give Glennon a chance. He played well in his rookie year before Lovie stepped in. And we all know how well Lovie does with developing quarterbacks.

[Thrilho]

Glennon makes sense to me if they see a QB they like in the draft. Other options:

 

Taylor - If you like the draft QB as a better long term option it's pretty unlikely he signs here. Especially if you're going to select one at #3, you're pretty much only getting him here if you lie to him.

 

Romo - Broken old man. Glennon probably won't be as good, but enough of the Bears recent seasons have been derailed by QB injury that I can definitely see not wanting to pin the hopes of a season on this guy.

 

JG, McCarron - You've got to give up picks and if Pace isn't sold on either guy, then great. Because I'd rather have Trubisky for sure and probably Watson or Mahomes than either of these guys considering what it would take to get them

 

Cutler - Hot garbage with a bad attitude. Talent aside, not the sort of guy you want around as a lame duck QB with a rookie coming in. Glennon as a "prove it" career backup with no pretenses about deserving to start is about the best type to have around with a rookie you hope will win the job sooner than later. Then regarding Cutler vs Glennon talent, I'll take the game manager type over the gunslinging proven loser/injury risk. The blurb in the PFF article below sums up Cutler for me. "The ultimate fool's gold" Pass 100%

 

Hoyer - Seems decent, but as the article notes he crumbles after October any time he's given an opportunity. I'd be fine with him as a caretaker QB set up as a fall guy to the rookie, but if the staff likes Glennon more then cool. The money means very little considering how few FAs there are.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-top-targets-for-qb-needy-teams-this-offseason/

 

I'm clearly biased, but I think it's likely that signing Glennon means they're targeting a QB in the draft. Hopefully Trubisky at 3. But you don't want to throw any of these guys in day 1. Hence the need for a stopgap QB.

[UMFan83]

Year three of this program and people are cool with a made up concept like a stop gap QB.

 

 

 

 

 

Quite perplexing.

 

Not thrilled with it and definitely a black mark on his resume, but given where we are at and if you believe that none of the top QBs are #3 pick worthy your options are what exactly?

 

-Keep Cutler....I wouldn't mind this but management and a large chunk of the fan base just want to move on. Even if you kept Cutler it would essentially just be a stopgap anyways

-FA QBs? Taylor, Glennon, Hoyer? Stopgap, stopgap, stopgap.

-Get involved in a trade for Cousins?

-Draft a QB after the 1st round? You could plan to start them from day 1 and sign a Hoyer type as backup in case its clear that they aren't ready during the preseason.

 

I get that your point is likely that it should have been addressed in years 1 and 2, but now that we're here, in terms of stopgaps, Glennon isnt a terrible one.

[jersey cubs fan]

Cutler - Hot garbage with a bad attitude.

stupid comment

[jersey cubs fan]

Glennon isnt a terrible one.

 

A) A stopgap QB isn't a thing.

B) He's only not a terrible one because there is not such thing.

 

 

He's a QB. The Bears are on the verge of signing Neck Glennon to be their QB.

[Thrilho]

Also, for those who want a safety at #3, here's another option for second round or late first trade up: Obi Melifonwu. 6;4, 220 lb safety who wrecked the combine with a 4.40, 44 inch vertical, and best long jump since 2003. Comp'd to Kam Chancellor by one article I saw. 118 tackles this year, 88 last year, with 4 picks this year. Compared to Jamal Adams' 76 tackles this year and 1 pick (67 and 4 last year). I'm not a scout so can't say how good a prospect Obi is, but seems like he could be good. Or Peppers in round 2. At least with 4 safeties who look good enough to take by the Bears second rounder, it's looking like a decent depth position.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-draft-combine-obi-melifonwu-performance-numbers-prospect-record-030617

[jersey cubs fan]

Theo Epstein is the greatest thing to ever happen to Ryan Pace.

 

 

If he can convince management that in year 3 John Fox as HC and Mike Glennon at QB is good enough for him to have a job..., boy howdy.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I just don't even understand how a stopgap became a thing people considered to be real.

 

Agreed

 

"Hey guys, let's punt a few seasons"

[Thrilho]

Cutler - Hot garbage with a bad attitude.

stupid comment

Eh...says you. PFF agrees with my assertion on his talent level and if you think he's got the right demeanor to be the lame duck guy who the team is hoping will have his job snatched away by a young'un then we'll just have to disagree.

[Thrilho]

Theo Epstein is the greatest thing to ever happen to Ryan Pace.

 

 

If he can convince management that in year 3 John Fox as HC and Mike Glennon at QB is good enough for him to have a job..., boy howdy.

Where is your solution?

[UMFan83]

Glennon isnt a terrible one.

 

A) A stopgap QB isn't a thing.

B) He's only not a terrible one because there is not such thing.

 

 

He's a QB. The Bears are on the verge of signing Neck Glennon to be their QB.

 

There is a difference between drafting Mitch Trubisky to be their QB and signing Brian Hoyer to be their QB. One they hope will still be their QB in 5 seasons, the other they hope will play decent enough to not embarrass them so they keep their jobs long enough to acquire their actual QB for 5 seasons from now.

 

If you have another term for signing someone with the intention of basically treading water at the QB position while you develop or otherwise acquire your real QB of the future, that's what it is.

 

I guess you could question the concept of developing a QB as we've seen guys like Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott come in and have success immediately.

 

Also I'm not advocating that a 'stopgap' QB is a real viable NFL strategy for team building, just that it exists. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a perfect example from last year. Sam Bradford as well but obviously under special circumstances.

[jersey cubs fan]

Theo Epstein is the greatest thing to ever happen to Ryan Pace.

 

 

If he can convince management that in year 3 John Fox as HC and Mike Glennon at QB is good enough for him to have a job..., boy howdy.

Where is your solution?

John Fox would be long gone.

 

At the very least he doesn't get to work with Cutler, a "madeup term for signing a QB with no expectations of success but still going to play the season and pay the guy starting QB money but not risk losing people's jobs if you lose because you convinced the public that this made up term is a real thing that should be considered when judging results", and a prospect.

 

Ryan Pace should have hired a better coach long ago and because there is no risk to future you keep Cutler until the day you have a better QB ready to take over his job. They sign the best free agents available (of which Glennon is not even close to that list, let alone on top of it), and you draft the best players available. You keep adding the best talent out there that you can get your hands on and you don't waste time cutting one QB and signing another just because of some made up need to "move on".

 

Paying Mike Glennon $30m to QB your team for a year and a half is just a waste of time and money.

[UMFan83]

On a semi-related note, I hate how FA is before the draft in the NFL. You wonder if the Bears would be trying to sign this dude if they snagged someone like Kizer or Davis Webb in the 2nd round before FA started.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

If you have another term for signing someone with the intention of basically treading water at the QB position while you develop or otherwise acquire your real QB of the future, that's what it is.

 

call it tanking without balls.

[jersey cubs fan]

Also I'm not advocating that a 'stopgap' QB is a real viable NFL strategy for team building, just that it exists. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a perfect example from last year. Sam Bradford as well but obviously under special circumstances.

Yes and the Jets are the Jets for a reason.

[jersey cubs fan]

On a semi-related note, I hate how FA is before the draft in the NFL. You wonder if the Bears would be trying to sign this dude if they snagged someone like Kizer or Davis Webb in the 2nd round before FA started.

it's much better than the reverse, when teams would stupidly draft based on need because they don't know what they can get in free agency.

[BigbadB]

Theo Epstein is the greatest thing to ever happen to Ryan Pace.

 

 

If he can convince management that in year 3 John Fox as HC and Mike Glennon at QB is good enough for him to have a job..., boy howdy.

Where is your solution?

John Fox would be long gone.

 

At the very least he doesn't get to work with Cutler, a "madeup term for signing a QB with no expectations of success but still going to play the season and pay the guy starting QB money but not risk losing people's jobs if you lose because you convinced the public that this made up term is a real thing that should be considered when judging results", and a prospect.

 

Ryan Pace should have hired a better coach long ago and because there is no risk to future you keep Cutler until the day you have a better QB ready to take over his job. They sign the best free agents available (of which Glennon is not even close to that list, let alone on top of it), and you draft the best players available. You keep adding the best talent out there that you can get your hands on and you don't waste time cutting one QB and signing another just because of some made up need to "move on".

 

Paying Mike Glennon $30m to QB your team for a year and a half is just a waste of time and money.

 

I've been a Cutler apologist as long as you have, but he's now about as popular as ketchup on a hot dog on the Fourth of July in Chicago. I totally understand moving on from him at this point even if he is a better QB candidate than anyone else available. Call it stop gap because there is no one out there that gives them the value to putting them in the playoff discussion before any games are played, but Cutler doesn't give them that discussion, either, and might create an even bigger distraction if he was benched in favor of a rookie. Not sure Glennon is the answer, and I probably would have stuck with Hoyer and the best QB available in the draft.

[Thrilho]

Theo Epstein is the greatest thing to ever happen to Ryan Pace.

 

 

If he can convince management that in year 3 John Fox as HC and Mike Glennon at QB is good enough for him to have a job..., boy howdy.

Where is your solution?

John Fox would be long gone.

 

At the very least he doesn't get to work with Cutler, a "madeup term for signing a QB with no expectations of success but still going to play the season and pay the guy starting QB money but not risk losing people's jobs if you lose because you convinced the public that this made up term is a real thing that should be considered when judging results", and a prospect.

 

Ryan Pace should have hired a better coach long ago and because there is no risk to future you keep Cutler until the day you have a better QB ready to take over his job. They sign the best free agents available (of which Glennon is not even close to that list, let alone on top of it), and you draft the best players available. You keep adding the best talent out there that you can get your hands on and you don't waste time cutting one QB and signing another just because of some made up need to "move on".

 

Paying Mike Glennon $30m to QB your team for a year and a half is just a waste of time and money.

Ok then, so I read that Cutler is the solution. To argue against that based on talent I probably need more time than I've got right now. But if we figure Glennon's 30-15 TD-Int ratio represents his true talent level then we can compare it to Cutty's 208-146 career ratio for a decent proxy. Or even just the 53-34 ratio of the last 3 years.

 

Seems like they want more of a predictable game manager. And there really isn't much in FA right now. So unless you want to trade for someone or sign up for Taylor as your long term guy the options are slim. There's no time machine to go back and do the last few years differently. So you take the best guy you can while your rookie is being groomed. I'd personally prefer either Hoyer or Glennon to Cutty.

 

Also, aside from the game manager stuff Glennon has, he's got a little upside because he can throw the deep ball. Here's an article I found on Glennon's deep passing from 2013, his rookie year when he put up 19-9 TD-Int with not much on his offense.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/qbs-in-focus-deep-passing-2/

 

He threw a lot of deep passes (topped the list on pct of passes thrown 21-30 yards and 31-40) while also rating in the top half of QBs on accuracy in the 21-30 range and not to0oo bad on the 31-40 range (in 20 ish range). While Cutler was almost at the bottom in 40+ yarder accuracy, and in the bottom half for 21-30 and just better than average on 31-40. In the 21-30 Glennon was about 10 spots better than Cutler and in 31-40 he was 2 spots worse.

 

That's some cherry picking of stats, but when you've only got 15 games 3 years ago there's not a lot to work with. But the point is that if Glennon does have some good points to him with the game manager thing and an ok deep ball. If the spot that Cutler is supposed to beat him out is the physical stuff and deep passing then at least for 2013 that didn't really shake out.

 

Long story short, I'm not all in on Glennon or anything because I haven't really watched him play. But right now I just want a rookie QB and then need someone else to start until that guy is ready. I've seen enough of Cutler's style, and the offense seemed to work decent under game managers last year. So might as well get the best game manager you can hold it down temporarily while you get your real long term guy someplace else.

[jersey cubs fan]

I've been a Cutler apologist as long as you have, but he's now about as popular as ketchup on a hot dog on the Fourth of July in Chicago.

I could not care less about this theory.

 

 

If Pace gets the opportunity to move forward after his disappointing early results, he should do so only with the eye toward improvement, not appeasing idiots who can't stand Cutler and would be happy to suck w/o Cutler just as long as they do it w/o Cutler.

 

Glennon is a plan designed for failure, but because you convince everybody a stopgap is a thing, then failure is accepted and he will not only live through that failure but also get to live through a prolonged development of the guy that replaces Glennon.

 

Cutting Cutler and signing Glennon is a PR move, not a football one. It's a buffer that does nothing to make the team better.

[jersey cubs fan]

Ok then, so I read that Cutler is the solution.

 

So then you are illiterate.

[Thrilho]

Ok then, so I read that Cutler is the solution.

 

So then you are illiterate.

Right on. I can read well enough to see that the only two QB names you typed out were Cutler and Glennon. What was your solution again?

[davell]

I'm pretty "meh" on Pace. Do I think QB should have been addressed by now, more than it has been? Absolutely. Is part of the reason it hasn't been, Fox? Most likely.

 

You can't just conjure up a QB out of nowhere obviously. I'd much prefer Taylor to Glennon. I'm not going to say he's completely incapable of leading the team to the playoffs, but I'm certainly not thinking of him as more than a short term answer. Hence, the stop gap term.

 

I'm figuring we'll address QB this draft. But, I'm on record as saying I'm OK with waiting until next year to use a 1st on one. Partially due to the likelihood of having to make him switch out this system after a year.

[jersey cubs fan]

[davell]

I've been a Cutler apologist as long as you have, but he's now about as popular as ketchup on a hot dog on the Fourth of July in Chicago.

I could not care less about this theory.

 

 

If Pace gets the opportunity to move forward after his disappointing early results, he should do so only with the eye toward improvement, not appeasing idiots who can't stand Cutler and would be happy to suck w/o Cutler just as long as they do it w/o Cutler.

 

Glennon is a plan designed for failure, but because you convince everybody a stopgap is a thing, then failure is accepted and he will not only live through that failure but also get to live through a prolonged development of the guy that replaces Glennon.

 

Cutting Cutler and signing Glennon is a PR move, not a football one. It's a buffer that does nothing to make the team better.

 

 

Jay's time has come and gone. He's also pretty injury prone at this point. Its conceivable Glennon IS a better QB in 2017 than Jay will be.

[Guest]

I think you're probably putting too much emphasis on one year. Gilmore was down in 2016, but was considered excellent prior to that. Bouye kind of came out of nowhere in 2016. I wouldn't think its remotely safe to think Bouye is the better option going forward.(I think their pricetags are probably going to be very similar)

 

I disagree on Wagner. He's a pretty solid upgrade from Massie. And it probably just costs 3-5 mill extra, once you cut Massie.

 

Bouye's breakout year was 2015, he followed that up with another elite performance.

 

Edit: sorry, his breakout year was 2016.

Edited March 8, 2017 by Stannis