Bears offseason

[David]

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[minnesotacubsfan]

Meaningless, but

 

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How do you read that? Is +200 the best chance or the worse chance?

[David]

Meaningless, but

 

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How do you read that? Is +200 the best chance or the worse chance?

 

it would be the one that pays out the least. theoretically, the one that they believe is most likely to happen (but there are other factors that go into that as well, like what they expect the betting public to do and/or what the betting public does).

 

if you bet 100, and he goes to the bears, you win 200. if you bet 100 and he goes to the rams, you win 1800.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Ah ok

[RammyFanny]

I originally wanted Jonathan Allen at 3, but I don't see how they can pass up a fixture stud safety like Jamal Adams. This defense needs impact playmakers in the secondary.

 

Do you guys like Adams more than Hooker?

I honestly can't decide between he two, they both are seriously amazing. Between Allen and these two, I'm definitely becoming anti-1st round QB.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Adams is a SS while Hooker is likely a FS. Who do we currently have at either position? If I was drafting one, I'd draft towards the weaker position. Hooker could be Ed Reed II

[WrigleyField 22]

Adams is a SS while Hooker is likely a FS. Who do we currently have at either position? If I was drafting one, I'd draft towards the weaker position. Hooker could be Ed Reed II

I dont care who the fug we have at either spot because neither is that great. Pick the better one.

[Splendid Splinter]

Adams is a SS while Hooker is likely a FS. Who do we currently have at either position? If I was drafting one, I'd draft towards the weaker position. Hooker could be Ed Reed II

 

I'm not sure Adams is just strictly a SS. He got the speed and range to play FS.

[RammyFanny]

After looking at a good deal of video of them today, Adams looks like a complete beast. I want him. Not that Hooker won't be awesome, but Adams just looks out of this world. He is in on every single play and plays insane (in a good way, although I hope it won't lead to stupid injuries).

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NfX6zG_AOV4

[minnesotacubsfan]

That might be the lamest hype video/draft preview I have ever seen

[WrigleyField 22]

If youre into day 2 and 3 prospects, the head football writer for RealGM is posting lots of East West Shrine stuff, including this Bears tidbit;

 

[davell]

 

Solid look into what's potentially available. I do think how we fare will dictate the draft obviously. It seems as though Pace likes getting thru FA with what looks like a true starting lineup on paper, that he can feel OK with and allows for BPA.

 

As for Hooker or Adams.....I'd gladly take either and hope for a trade down to 6 or so, since 1 should still be there.

 

Side note, I've read a few rumors that Allen could fall due to medical concerns over 3 surgeries. That'd be interesting to see.

[We Got The Whole 9]

 

I'm down with signing Taylor but I am not too keen on Jeffery coming back. I'd rather bring in guys who could potentially take the top off a D and more precise route runners. His routes are still sloppy, he barely fights for the ball when a DB has a beat on it, and he doesn't create much separation so without a QB who can really thread the needle, I think he will not reach his ceiling.

 

 

This is weird. Why would you.....on a team devoid of young talent....NOT want to bring back a young guy with the most talent on the roster? I understand if you don't want to pay him a ton of money, still wrong, but I could buy that more than what you say here. He barely fights for the ball is just flat out wrong. He won't reach his ceiling? You mean back-to-back 85 catch seasons, a 1400 yard season, a double digit TD season, a league leading 90 yards per game season isn't his ceiling? Well, that's more reason to sign him if you think a precision QB could make him even better. Oh and as for that "thread the needle" QB......you do know that Jeffery has (at times) been great with Cutler, Hoyer, Barkley, and McCown at QB, none of which apply.

 

Yeah, I don't think he's a guy I want to give 15m to. Getting a PED suspension while on a franchise tag and the nagging injuries just makes me pause and question his reliability. But I also don't think he plays to his best (his ceiling; he reached it already IMO, now it's about getting back to it) without Cutler, or a guy who is not afraid to try and squeeze a pass in a tight window or just chuck up a 50/50 ball (largely what McCown did). He's still a little sloppy in his cuts and breaks and like I said often doesn't create much separation. I think this is a factor for why he was ignored for large stretches of games this year when we had game managing QBs who live in the middle of the field. Getting 150 targets he's gonna give you huge numbers but Taylor isn't the type to feed a guy like that, at least from what he's shown.

 

So I like Taylor for his decision-making and the added element he brings in being able to escape the rush and move the chains with his legs if needed. But is Alshon gonna be utilized enough to make the money worth it? The target-distribution in Buffalo makes me wonder. He targeted his TE the most and gave his top 2 WR 70 each. I'd think we could use the money more wisely.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Pace needs to give Berry and Jefferson the Peppers treatment and show up on the doorstep when FA starts. Offer them the keys to the city; go above and beyond. You probably won't land em both but you gotta get one, IMO.

[David]

That might be the lamest hype video/draft preview I have ever seen

 

well it's not a hype video

 

it's a film compilation. shows plenty of boring crap as well as highlights

[minnesotacubsfan]

It sucks, regardless

[UMFan83]

Pace needs to give Berry and Jefferson the Peppers treatment and show up on the doorstep when FA starts. Offer them the keys to the city; go above and beyond. You probably won't land em both but you gotta get one, IMO.

 

Throw everything and then some at Berry

[davell]

The combo of FA+draft is always interesting. Much more so based on where the Bears are currently, plus their plethora of needs. But, all is far from lost, because of where we draft and how much money we have to spend.

 

Needs

 

QB- Taylor, maybe Romo from FA could improve us from where we are currently. Of course, neither is a FA yet. Garoppolo is a trade option. I don't see THIS coaching staff wanting a rookie starting for them, but at 3, we at least have the ability to take a QB, if we want to.

 

RB- My guess is they'll add SOMEONE. Personally, finding a change of pace guy, that's a threat receiving, could really help IMO. The RB class is very deep in the draft, so I can see a late round pick helping a bunch. I doubt they waste decent cap space at this spot.

 

WR- Such a volatile spot for us. If we keep Jeffery and White stays healthy, those 2 and Meredith are a great trio. I lean towards giving that group a chance to do that. If you let Alshon go, its likely they'll dip into FA, which has a relatively solid group of upside guys that conceivably could grow into solid producers. A later round pick could happen too, but my guess is we only use one pick between RB, WR, and TE.

 

TE- We have a true need here for now. Maybe Pruitt or Braunecker help, but a mid round pick on a Leggett or Butt seems like the best use of a pick on a skills position guy in the draft to me. There's not much help here in FA.

 

O-Line- We're set inside, barring injuries. I still think a tackle is needed, but I don't think the Bears look at this as an area of need. There's very little help in FA, so it'd be nice to at least see a late rounder on the line. I'd be happier with a trade down from 3, where it'd give us the luxury of taking one much earlier than that.

 

Ends- You can turn this into a serious strength with a signing or early pick. Its a very deep position-draft wise and has great upper end talent in FA and also solid depth too.

 

Tackles- Campbell has been mentioned, if we miss on Berry, I could see him being the big money addition. At any rate, an addition makes the front 7 a true strength, same as End does. So, I suspect this will happen. But it could be with a major FA or with our top pick.

 

OLB- Not a true need. But I could still see an addition, depending on how things fall. If Tim Williams drug stuff causes him to fall out of the 1st, is he worth the gamble at 36, even though its not a true need?

 

ILB- I think we sign a depth guy here and go with Kwiatkowski until Trevathan hopefully returns. Seriously doubt we use a pick here.

 

CB- Plenty of depth in the draft, lots of solid options in FA. I definitely expect a major FA addition and I could even see two, if things fall certain ways. But I'd bet on one and a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the draft.

 

S- I think I'd say the exact as I just did for CB's.

 

The good news is the strength of FA is DB's. How well we do there tells us what the draft will bring. WR is interesting currently, but I think we take advantage of a reduced pricetag on Alshon and don't change things up much here. It all comes down to what direction we go at QB though.....I "think" we go into the year with a new FA starter, a mid round pick, and the ability to draft one early in the following draft or two. But, its actually possible we add enough via FA, that you can use the 1st on a QB and hope he's ready midseason. Even if its not what Fox necessarily wants....

[RammyFanny]

It sucks, regardless

Then mute him if you hate him, and just watch the tape. You'll be hard pressed to find film that shows so much footage without It being shitty highlight tapes of interceptions that can make any player look good.

[Guest]

Trade down and go CB with first two picks. Word is that Cleveland loves Trubisky, but he won't get past the Jets at 6.

 

Or, you could trade with the Jets at 6.

 

Great thing is that you can fill QB needs outside the draft and grab a development project with one of 2nd round picks if theres one you like.

[RammyFanny]

I don't have insider but Kiper's mock is

 

Garrett

Trubisky

Allen

Adams

[davell]

Trade down and go CB with first two picks. Word is that Cleveland loves Trubisky, but he won't get past the Jets at 6.

 

Or, you could trade with the Jets at 6.

 

Great thing is that you can fill QB needs outside the draft and grab a development project with one of 2nd round picks if theres one you like.

 

Theres so much info out there, who knows what's true? I read Taylor is who the Browns want because they don't see 1st round value in the QB's, based on their picks.

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[cubbyvirus00]

I originally wanted Jonathan Allen at 3, but I don't see how they can pass up a fixture stud safety like Jamal Adams. This defense needs impact playmakers in the secondary.

 

Do you guys like Adams more than Hooker?

I honestly can't decide between he two, they both are seriously amazing. Between Allen and these two, I'm definitely becoming anti-1st round QB.

 

I think the difference aside from their Safety position is Adams has the game tape and proven play in college whereas Hooker has the measureables but not quite the same kind of tape as Adams.

 

Also Jonathan Allen had a couple of shoulder surgeries if I'm not mistaken. Yeah I don't want ANY injury risk with this #3 pick.

[raw]

Trade down and go CB with first two picks. Word is that Cleveland loves Trubisky, but he won't get past the Jets at 6.

 

Or, you could trade with the Jets at 6.

 

Great thing is that you can fill QB needs outside the draft and grab a development project with one of 2nd round picks if theres one you like.

 

Yep. I think if the Browns don't trade for Garoppolo, I think they'll try their damnedest to package 12 and one of their 2nds and more to move back up for a QB (after taking Garrett 1). I like the idea of getting an extra top 40 pick if the Bears aren't going QB at 3. But I really like the idea of trading with the Jets. Again, get a top 40 pick (their 2nd) and #6 puts the Bears in a good position. If they don't want Trubisky/Kizer, 6 puts them in position to have a shot at either of the top safeties (Hooker/Adams), or Allen or Solomon Thomas or one of the top CBs (I like Lattimore). Also, gives them ammo to move back into the late 1st and maybe take Watson if he falls like all the experts say he has a 2nd round grade.